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Hi Adam,

Thank you, you are correct I believe in one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ as most of the greetings in the epistles Ephesians 6:23 1 Thessalonians 1:1 and more, and nowhere is this doctrine taught in the New Testament that we must believe for salvation.

It is like Matthew 28:19 the baptizing in the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit but nowhere do we see it in the New Testament all were baptized in the name of Jesus and only in the name of Jesus are we saved. My study of 1 John 5:7 is that it was added from the Latin Vulgate and was not in the original text, but that can be debated.

I understand I am in the minority and have discussed this before. We can find Scripture to fit a doctrine, but can we find Scripture where the doctrine was taught? I have not found where the Trinity doctrine is taught. Like Genesis 1:26 there are many beings in heaven and the word us does not say God was speaking to Jesus, that is an assumption.

Thank you again for discussing this in a loving and respectful manor, this subject is deep and as long as we have love for each other, and truth is what we are in search of.

God bless,

RLW

Hi Giannis , I'm not one for big debates so I would like to keep this brief if that's ok :) . I do not ever pray to Jesus or anyone other than God , my Heavenly Father , the Holy One of Israel . I pray to Him through Jesus Christ my Sinless High Priest who is now in Heaven . As for your question about how Jesus can be in the midst of Christians all over the world , I personally believe that 1st Corinthians Ch 15 can answer that for you . I hope that I've answered your questions satisfactorily , I will let Paul explain it , he's better at that sort of thing than I am :) .

Hi Momsage , I haven't gone anywhere :) which statement of mine are you asking about ? Lots of people on here make statements , some I agree with and some I don't . I'm not the type who feels the need to discuss every little point , I respect people's right to their own opinion and even if I disagree with them I just don't always feel the need to discuss the point that I disagree with . My posts are a reflection of my personality I suppose :) . I'm a bit of a live and let live kind of person , most of the time :) . I learned a long time ago that the chances of me ever being able to change anyone's opinion about anything are almost nil , so I don't often try .

Thank you RLW for your input. It sounds like from your response you don't believe that God is triune like 1 John 5:7 says. The 3 verses about Godhead are not the only part of the Bible that says God is plural. Genesis 1:26 for example: "And God said, Let us make man in our image.." Jesus's followers called Jesus "God" and worshipped Him, etc.

Evidence I see so far indicates that most references to God are triune. One, singular, but triune God. Not 3 Gods, one God. As hard as it is to comprehend the Bible gives a distinction within God between the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost.

Hi Jema: I hope you're doing well but I'd like to ask, Is it fair to make a statement and then run away? My belief that the KJB is the only true word, written by God not man ,is real and comes nowhere near mythical; (imaginary, fictious.) I really don't understand how any true believer can't grasp this truth. The Holy Spirit said what He had to say in 1611 and His inspiration doesn't need any help from man in these modern times. Man iis to busy so he believes in these new modern versions because he, for whatever reason, doesn't want to bother with 2 Tim. 2:15. In a sense he has crossed it out of his bible. These versions are a tool of the devil to distract man away from God. We should all be like the example God's word gives us in Psalm 1: 1-2. Just be sure that delight is in God's true word or you could be led astray by the lies of the devil in the NIV, NKJB, ESB, ASB, ETC. I have done an extensive comparison study on the lies these versions tell as a warning but I wonder if anyone will heed the warning.

Thank you Chris for that substantive answer.

Hello brothers and sisters

I have a question for all fellow christians who do not consider that Jesus is God.(hello Ronald, I saw your comment and I was reminded of something I was thinking lately.)

Let me do an introduction before going to my point. When we talk with people from the Orthodox church who often pray to saints or to Mary Jesus' mother, we ask them how is it possible that they hear you all, millions and millions of you, they are not Gods after all. So many millions of people pray to Mary, how is she able to hear them all and, as they claim, she often responds. She is not God, only God can do that.

So I come to what I want to say. Somewhere in NT, Jesus says that when two or more are gathered in His name then He is there among them. How is that possible if Jesus is not God. Because at the same time I believe thousands of congregations take place in the whole world. To do such a thing one must have divine properties. He also said somewhere that when we ask something in His name then He will do that. How can He hear millions of prayers simultaneously if He is not God.

Expecting for your opinion.

Hi Jema,

So true, we don't think about it much but for many years the Old Testament was the only Scripture the early Church had and they had to go to synagogues to here them.

God bless,

RLW

A good grounding in and knowledge of and respect for the old testament is very helpful I think , it leaves me with no doubts in this matter :) . May God bless you .

Hey Adam,

There is much in this chapter, your question is God in this verse the Godhead or the Father?

To answer; in context Jesus was telling parables and the Pharisees, and the Sadducees were trying to trip Jesus up. These verses were about the resurrection, the Pharisees believed in the resurrection, but the Sadducees did not. In verse 31 Jesus asked them haven't you read; Job 19:25-27 Psalm 17:15 Psalm 49:15 "which was spoken unto you by God" so Jesus is referring to His Father who is God.

What does the word Godhead mean? Does it mean a Triune God? It is in three verses, Acts 17:29 Rom. 1:20 Col. 2:9. Translated from Greek words which means divine, divinity, or deity, that was replaced with another English word that was not a word until the 1500s and placed only in these three verses and the reason is questionable.

Study for your conscience in prayer with an open mind and through the Holy Spirit, God will show you the truth.

God bless,

RLW

Ez.32:1-18 "Uncircumcised nations" (2 of 2)

Israel is counted among the nations that have come under the rod of the king of Babylon. As we shall see judgment beginning here leads us to the vision of Dry Bones(Ez.37). Judgment on Egypt and its auxiliaries lead to this, 'And I will lay thy flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with thy height (32:5)" From Ch.37 onwards Ezekiel eloquently raises the banner of God's Mercy and takes us to the Vision of living Waters,' a river that could not be passed over(47:5)'.It ties up the Vision of John in the City of God (Re.22:1).

"Nations"

In divine Will the nation of Israel stood in relation to Amorites and many other nations. God considered Abraham as His friend so he revealed why the Promised Land is denied to him. "For the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full." His Sovereign Will saw all men and nations as one so His mercy and judgment would demand Israel wait its turn while he judged Egypt before Israel was led forth to the land of promise. (Ge.15:16).

So chain of events bringing each player into prominence or move them aside was according to his Salvation Plan. Success of individuals was however dependent on their implicit trust in God.

Ez.32:1-18 "Uncircumcised nations" (1 of 2)

"Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit(v.18).

'The daughters of the famous nations - i:e., the nations with their peoples. Egypt is to share the fate of other ancient nations 'Elam and all her multitude', Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude, Edom and Zidon were once prosperous and famous, now in decline. From the expression given below, 'go down, and be thou laid with the uncircumcised' we can assume that law of Gradation places all nations,- people of the covenant by the heathen nation as one and worthy of judgment. (See under M-law of Gradation)

This we have from God who appointed his prophet Ezekiel has his ministry as he has for Isaiah and Jeremiah. "See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant (Je.1:10)" Not only rooting out but also planting are to be seen the back page. Gentiles and Israel shall be led to a Spiritual awakening that must however be on the ruin of worldly ambition and their vain strivings.

These nations were consigned 'unto the nether parts of the earth'. Compare with this verse, 'Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord(Obad.1:4).Judgment beginning with Egypt must be seen as one single arc connecting old world present and future so all ungodly nations being merely figment of the uncircumcised heart shall suffer the same fate.

OK Jema, thanks for you input on this discussion. I, too, post from the heart, as you do and do not plan out my posts. They are for the most part, spontaneously written, but also done prayerfully. Take care and I look forward to discussing other topics with you.

Hello LaTonyad

I do keep you in my prayers. Glad to hear from you again. Thanks for checking in.

The one and only purpose of mankind is to love and worship God and to treat others as we would want to be treated. If we choose to do this we are promised by our Creater an eternal life of unimaginably bless with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Matthew 22:: 37-39. God Bless :)

This is the day that the lord has made I shall rejoice and be glad in it. Praying that God keeps his loving arms around me and my family. Continue to give me strength to help my mom as she has gotten older and needs more help then I can give. I do my best and that's all I can do. I deal with health issues myself but God is in the midst of my situation thank God with all my heart . And Gigi if you see this I pray all is well with you and your family. You have always been and others on here my prayer warrior. Thank you all for doing the kingdom's work . In Jesus name amen.

please remember my daughter and her family today in your prayers please remember me today in your prayers

As I've said to Gigi , I had no idea that my posts are so provocative , at least to a couple of people for sure . I'm sorry if I provoke you , I just say what I'm thinking at the time , I'm a spontaneous person and I don't sit and think about it or work out my posts before I post them . Maybe that's a fault in me but I'm just not that kind of person . I like spontaneous discussion , that's how I talk and that's how I post , straight from the heart to my mouth . That's how I like to discuss and I like spontaneous responses , from the heart not from a book ( unless it's the Bible ) or the internet etc . If my posts get on your nerves please just ignore me :) . I say what I think in the moment .

I haven't insisted that anyone do anything and I didn't realise that my posts were so provocative . This is a KJV site , so I merely reminded people that it's not unreasonable for people to expect this site to be KJV based . People should not be made to feel as if they are some how wrong in that expectation , given the fact that this site is called the King James Bible site . It's as simple as that . I'm done with talking in circles now and don't enjoy stating the obvious over and over again so I'm going to stop .

Hello Adam. I consider your question through two separate perspectives: one, before the incarnation of the Word of God and the other, after it. From my readings of the whole Word of God, I don't believe that the writers of the OT nor their hearers would have understood any other concept or acceptance of the God's Nature other than 'He is One & there is none beside Him' (e.g. Isaiah 45:5.6).

Even the "Shema Yisrael" ( Deuteronomy 6:4,5) is Israel's central belief & affirmation on the singularity of God's Person, & any suggestion of a 'compound' Nature of God would be anathema. Also Isaiah 53:1-12 and Isaiah 9:6,7 references to a coming Messiah, which should clearly reveal the Divine Nature of a Coming One, is discarded by them, then & now. So, anything of a Triune God must be rejected by the Jew, & only the operation of God by His Spirit (i.e. God revealing Himself & working before them) should be acceptable to them (e.g. Psalm 51:10,11; Isaiah 11:2; & many others). As believers though, we can see the Triune God in operation in the whole Bible, but Israel is blinded to this Truth & their hearts hardened.

When Jesus came & spoke (e.g. John 16:27,28; John 17:5), He declared His Divine Nature, that which was not revealed before. So your reference ( Matthew 22:32), speaks primarily of the One Nature of God; but to those who believe, having received salvation through Jesus Christ, know that the God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob was always the Triune God, Who would one day manifest Himself fully to a needy world: God's Word first by the prophets, now given through His Word made flesh ( Hebrews 1:1-3) . What Israel knew of the One God then, should have revealed the full Nature of a Triune God at the appearance of their Messiah. But their eyes were blinded & hearts hardened. Therefore, as Christians, I believe that we should see God (in the OT & NT) as a Triune God, manifesting Himself also as His Word and His Spirit going forth to accomplish His Will over His creation.

"Number Six" (2 of 2)

In receiving Christ as the Savior the believer is tagged as the number Seven. Seven in a primary sense is determined in heaven. It speaks for the mystery of his Will. As a new creation The word is his heart or he abides in Christ.(Col.3:1-3). In short Seven is made up of 3+4 (where the sum of 3 the tag for the Son and 4 for the Word become flesh.)

This brings us to the beast, the son of perdition in whom the word of God has no place; neither does he acknowledge the supremacy of the Son.

Satan as destroyer is the angel gone rogue. The Spirit introduces Goliath as epitome of spiritual wickedness in high place (Ge.6:1-3). He is a giant a tag as the number 6 signifies. While describing the person the Spirit gives a list of sixes: his height 6 cubits and the steel point of his javelin weighed 6x100 shekels. It ties with another giant, "And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.." (2 Sa.21:20)

"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not./ For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets." (Matt.24:23-24) We are looking at the present times. False Christs and false prophets have their spiel to deceive the unwary. Jesus shall appear as a sign, "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." (24:27-30)

He appears to gather and not for reigning the disobedient children of wrath on the earth. "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him."(Re.1:7)

Number Six (1 of 2)

We see the number 6 associated with Judgment. In the Book of Ezekiel we find six men came by 'the higher gate... every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; (Ez.9:2) Among them one had the writer's inkhorn by his side. God commands him to set a mark upon the foreheads of the men who should be spared from the slaughter of the city. This is a vision but the Spirit inserts the mark, which was earlier introduced in the episode of Abel-Cain episode. It shall be sustained till the end when the saints are described having the name of the Father written on their foreheads( Re.22:4).

Martyrs for the Word of God are those who had not worshiped the Beast (Re.20:4). They shall reign with Jesus Christ in his Messiah aspect. It is the Millennial Reign. It is in heaven. In the new heaven and in the new earth, there was no more sea. (Re.21:1) The overcomers are enclosed within. "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." (Re.3:12). So we are looking at the mid air.

"but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle." (Ex.33:11) The holy city of God has nothing more to do with earth; Jerusalem or sea.

Coming back to the significance of the number we see another group having a mark, either on the foreheads or on their hands. The number is 666 or the Mark of the Beast.

It is not difficult to understand where the authority of the Beast would come from. Satan as destroyer is the angel gone rogue.

Before Satan is totally annihilated he shall wreak havoc on the Children of disobedience. So the ravage is on the spirit, soul and body of man. It is indicated by 6-6-6, each representing the area of corruption. The Spirit set whole man a tripartite creation to represent Triune God.

Re.2:17 "A new name" (2 of 2)

To quote 'we are looking at the name from the standpoint of God. He named the heaven, the earth and so on. So holiness of God as testified by his Son reflects on the name he acquired above every other name.' In the Book of Genesis' after making Adam a living soul God brings his creation to Adam. "And whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."(Ge.2:19) As mentioned earlier the Spirit presents from the standpoint of the Father and the last book is about the fulfillment of the will of his Father. He is in his majesty and he promises the churches as an overcomer.

Jesus Christ was the Word become flesh and he overcame the world."In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."( John 16:33). So holiness of God, "Be ye holy for I am holy" is the characteristic of the holiness where his grace and truth rounds off each one. The name of the Father is written on His servants. The first fruits, " having his Father's name written in their foreheads.: have their new song. What Jesus Christ promised is the seal of righteousness like the amulet, "Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death;"(The Song 8:6; Re.14:1-3)

Genesis began with, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." and the same after Jesus Christ has fulfilled the divine Will is seen from the POV of the church. "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth." It is not God but John is recording it.

Jema, It seemed to me like you were asking an honest question that I attempted to help answer. That's all. If you already know the information I presented, why ask the question you posed? Maybe I missed something.

I think everyone on here knows that this is a site that hosts the KJV Bible to be read and offers a forum for people to share their biblical ideas. There is nowhere on this site that states that only the KJV can be discussed to the exclusion of any other translation. I think it is erroneous to insist that this is so. I also think that it does not promote peace among us when some insist on this site being something that it does not claim to be.

Jema, I enjoy conversing with you when you do respond to me. I hope we can continue to do so even when we disagree on some things. I keep you in my prayers often along with most people that post here. What a blessed opportunity to intercede for one another!

Re.2:17 "A new name" (1 of 2)

"To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it."

We shall try to understand the significance of the name which is the basis for the new heaven and the new earth.

Mary's testimony "Holy is his name" ( Luke 2:48) came from 'the angel Gabriel was sent from God' so we are looking at the name from the standpoint of God. He named the heaven, the earth and so on. So holiness of God as testified by his Son forms on the name he acquired above every other name. His humility and the power of God raising him the dead creates a new insight into the name His humility and the power of God raising him the dead creates a new insight into the name. We have this verse, "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross./Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name." (Ph..2:8-9).

This explains the will of the Father."For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;/And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."(Co.1:19-20). As the inheritor who is worthy to give a name but Jesus Christ. So he promises the overcomer from the church in Pergamos a new name which is as personal as the man on the white horse carried. "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war./2His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself./And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God."(Re.19:11-13)

Jesus Christ is the Word become flesh and he overcame the world.

Just noticed this interesting discussion. I agree with what I'm seeing here and perhaps a little surprised I haven't seen KJV-only opinions.

I personally have seen the "wicked Bible" on display in the British museum in London with my own eyes, which had a word accidentally omitted. I think it said thou shalt commit adultery instead of thou shalt not. They caught it and destroyed all copies they could and I doubt anyone acted on this and lead them to sin. It was not an error of the KJV translators, but by the printer, I believe. But for this reason and others I agree that the Word of God is true and perfect, but humans are fallible and can mess things up. Even well meaning Jesus-followers have the same fallibility. I'm sure people making Bibles today have an occasional printing issue, as all printers have. I've heard of Bibles missing pages before.

People like Joel Osteen talk about "favor" a lot like its some kind of constant privilege, but I think that's a lie. Christians have all kinds of obstacles and challenges even when we are struggling to do good works. People in the Bible did. Even when trying to serve others, or in this case just trying to print a Bible. I think the government even hung the man for that mistake, although in my quick search I could not verify that.

This question has been on my mind for a while:

When God is mentioned in the Bible, does it mostly mean the Godhead (trinity 1 John 5:7) or does it mostly mean God the Father?

"I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." Matthew 22:32 KJV

Jesus is saying this and quoting scripture.

Is God in this verse, for example, the Godhead or the Father?

Jema,

Thank you for the reply, but I was not asking what the word translation means. I understand what it means, so you have not caused me any confusion about the definition. What I was wondering about was the point you were trying to make? Your reply gives me your understanding of the word translation but I'm still not understanding your point. That's what I was asking about.

I don't believe you're being foolish at all. You are correct, as the title of this website says, it is a King James Bible Online website. That's what it is. But what (it is not) is a KJB Only website. I truly believe that the owners of this site are very welcoming to all believers, regardless of what bible they read.

Did you know that there are 9 other bible translations that have been graciously shared by the owners of this website that we are encouraged to use for scripture comparison? Very good translations if I might add. I think they chose well. I may have added a few more but I have no say so in that, but I do thank them for putting those versions on this site. If any of those bibles are not trustworthy (or corrupt as some say), I don't think they would be sharing them and encouraging us to use them for our studies.

I have read the "Comment Guidelines" and "Specific Rules" section, and I see nothing that would discourage anyone from reading, sharing, or discussing other bibles. I also see nothing telling others to go find other websites that are only specific to the bible they read because this is a KJB site only.

Please don't take any of this the wrong way. I truly mean no harm. You and I both read and study from the KJB, although I do not own a 1611 copy. The KJB is my bible of choice but there are others that I also trust to read from.

God Bless!!!

Dear Lord Please hear our prayer for Magda, David, and their children. We humbly ask for health and protection for them through the holy blood of Jesus. May your blessings and wealth be poured upon our family and all those who pray for this intention. Amen.

Asking for strong protection ( Prov. 30:5, Ps.91, Ps. 34:7) and salvation (those not saved) as well as healing and deliverance, guidance and wisdom, joy, peace, love and generally to live lives that please the Lord. Asking this for all of us and all others in need.