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In fact,there are two types of famine occurring in the world at this time,material famine is figure of spiritual famine,both are signs of JESUS's coming.
Your post suggests two interestings scenaries for us to meditate.The description below gives us two different aspects of the famine's scenaries.
So,speaking of famine,we can compare how our GOD provides a solution for this terrible event,and how Satan and his partners suggest a solution being them demonic governments,devilish religious guides,idolaters,spiritist/esoterics,among others.
How does our GOD provide the solution for this problem of hunger of bread? Mark 8:11-21:
11The Pharisees came forth and question with JESUS, seeking of him a sign from heaven,tempting Him.
12He sighed deeply in His spirit,and saith,Why doth this generation seek after a sign?verily I say unto you,There shall no sign be given unto this generation.
13And he left them,...
14The disciples had forgotten to take bread, neither had they in the ship with them more than one loaf.
15JESUS said:Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees,and of the leaven of Herod.
16And they reasoned among themselves,saying,It is because we have no bread.
17JESUS knew it and saith unto them,Why reason ye,because ye have no bread?perceive ye not yet,neither understand?have ye your heart yet hardened?
18Having eyes,see ye not?and having ears,hear ye not?and do ye not remember?
19I brake five loaves among five thousand,how many baskets full of fragments took ye up?They say unto Him,Twelve.
20And the seven among four thousand,how many baskets full of fragments took ye up?they said,Seven.
21JESUS said,How is it that ye do not understand?
ITOH, how does Satan and his partners provide solution for this problem of hunger of bread?
They simply say:Command that stones be made bread.The heart of demonic men are like stone,the world of Devil is full of stones,they suggest for asking for alms,they create beggars. James 5:1-6 combined with Matthew 19:23.
My nephew is at his Dad's home (my brother). I had a long conversation (listen to, actually) with my nephew last night. I was only able to ask him a few questions because he wanted to go through the past happenings in the last 8 months that precipitated this severe downturn for him. I did ask him if he is good with staying with his dad and he said he is fine with that. I asked him if his dad is a trigger for him and he said no. So for now, that may be a good place. My brother does not believe in psychiatric treatment, nor psychiatric meds. He does not recognize mental illness as a medical issue, rather he sees it as a spiritual issue and so, in that way, he isn't in a place to help my nephew very much. He is a believer, and his son, my nephew, abandon his belie in the Bible and in God last fall. He probably felt so down and miserable and hopeless then that he could not see how God would allow this to occur in his life. I do think that much of this rejection of God and faith is the mental illness speaking in a loud way to him. In our phone conversation I did tell him that I continue to pray for him.
He revealed this serious situation to me and so far to one of my other brothers. My nephew told me not to tell anyone. And I can understand this since most members of my family really do not know him at all and my one rother and myself know him very little. I did text my his dad early this week to get an update and he said that his son came home from the hospital last Wednesday. I offered my love, prayers, and support to my brother. This must e agonizing for him as our own sons mental illness is difficult for us as parents. two of our three sons have anxiety/depressive disorder and one is responding well to treatment after a few years of finding the right meds. My other son is not having much success with medications or the brain stimulation treatment he tried early this year. He tells us that he has felt no real significant improvement yet.
13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his Sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
14 And he said, Nay; but as captain (a Prince) of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?
15 And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
Daniel 12:-13
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time(because Michael stand up): and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Matthew 24:15and21-23
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,spoken of by Daniel the prophet,stand in the holy place,(whoso readeth,let him understand )
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man(Pastors, Bishops,Evangelists,etc.) shall say unto you,Lo, here is Christ( John 5:43-47.Take a look),or there;BELIEVE IT NOT.
Re.12:7 & 10-11
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his messengers fought against the dragon( Revelation 13:11);and the dragon fought and his messengers.
Greetings in Christ JESUS
Thanks for your kind reply
GOD grant that we may be like the children of Isaachar (verse 32 below) in His hands, hands of GOD the Almighty.
I Chronicles 12:23-40
23 Now these are they that came to David to Ziklag, while he yet kept himself close because of Saul the son of Kish: and they were among the mighty men, helpers of the War.
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32 And of the children of Issachar, which were men that had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do;(now, what the Lord's Church of the Lord ought to do, even now, from now on, for example Matthew 25:6); the heads of them were two hundred; and all their brethren were at their commandment.
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May our Lord GOD BLESS and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen
Verses 10-12 state: And the LORD said unto Joshua, Get thee up; wherefore liest thou thus upon thy face? 11Israel hath sinned, and they have also transgressed my covenant which I commanded them: for they have even taken of the accursed thing, and have also stolen, and dissembled also, and they have put it even among their own stuff. 12Therefore the children of Israel could not stand before their enemies, but turned their backs before their enemies, because they were accursed: neither will I be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed from among you.
This passage illustrates the reaction of Joshua after they were routed in battle. Joshua lamely states that it would have been better to not have entered where they were than to be routed by the Amorites. He ignores promises 400 years prior about the fullness of the iniquity of the Amorites; but is totally blind to the REASON for the event; which boiled down to one person coveting gold and other things which were cursed objects somehow tied into the demonic realm that were; as the rest of the populus to be devoted unto destruction. Joshua 6:18 warns about such behavior; and Achan was the individual responsible and was summarily stoned afterwards; followed by victory on the battlefield. They should have learned from what happened with Korah's rebellion in Numbers 16:32 when they were swallowed up by the earth after trying to usurp the role of Priesthood that Moses had. We see in both these passages that unless the sin was dealt with the entire people would be destroyed.
In today's New Testament church we see Ananias and Sapphira in the same sort of swift judgment in Acts 5. Normally; of course our first priority has to be our own sin but we have to guard not only our own hearts but watch out for the "enemy in the camp" which today often involves "damnable heresies" ( 2 Peter 2:1); also see 1 Timothy 4:1 on last days false teaching.
See Romans 12:19 on God's vengeance.
Passover day starts at sundown, the preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread. When Jesus was here would have been His last day, the Last Supper, in the garden, the betrayal, taken to the priests, Pilot, nailed to the cross and put in the tomb before the sunset. When the sun set that would be the 15th the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread a high Sabbath, a holy convocation, the day they went out of Egypt.
This Sunday would be the Feast of Firstfruits the day Jesus rose from the grave being the Firstfruits of those who slept.
Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
God bless,
RLW
What is interesting is that he has all sorts of different psalms; many of which are prayers. Some or all are to music; poetic; impreccatory; prophetic; personal; "royal" and other things. The most common theme it seems of answered prayers anyway is those related to covenants where we can sort of "declare" blessings. I don't like using that term as it has been accused by some denominations in particular of abusing God's meaning and I would argue by default putting a curse on themselves. Such is PRESUMPTION; particularly for those who have lifestyles of sin that the Lord warns about of which those type of people will not inherit the Kingdom.
What is a real challenge is Christ's prayer that was NOT answered in regard to taking the cup from him that he must drink.
Equally sobering also is the rich man's request or prayer of sorts from hell that in a way WAS answered but didn't have any effect on saving any of his own family if they wouldn't recognize who Christ was in rising from the dead.
There are times of course when the Lord told Jeremiah not to petition or ask God to be merciful to those right before the Babylonian invasion. He was determined to destroy all but a remnant at that point and as I will bring out eventually; even the guard from Babylon stated that all this had come about because of their disobedience.
I suppose a big concern I have is how the whole church system and office functions tend to be the focus of prayers and it often becomes hard to assess what God wants to eliminate or change when assumptions are made to continue things status quo. This also can make one local church body insulate themselves from even others in their denomination and especially other believers somehow thinking their needs are most important.
Any ideas?
The end of times has arrived and what the Devil intends to do as the father of the Jews( John 8:44), is to direct the current world under his rule towards a global environment that will facilitate the establishment of his much desired Universal Kingdom, his fifth Universal Kingdom, for which Satan has been working since ancient times starting with Abel's murder- Matthew 23:33-35.Take a look. GOD revealed to the king of Babylon through Daniel this desire of Satan by interpreting Nebuchadnezzar's dream: Daniel 2:41-43, but in verses 44 to 47 GOD reveals how He will destroy the Kingdom of the Devil, father of the Jews- JOHN 8:44.
There will be a TERRIBLE WAR from now on between GOD's people X Satan's people. Re.11:15 says: The KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD are become the KINGDOMS of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. ( Matthew 5:5 combined with Revelation 5:10).
But Satan as a God intends to do the same with global world ruled by him-2Thes.2:3-4&9-12 combined with Revelation 12, i.e. to establish his satanic Universal religious Kingdom.
The WAR will be against THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS-WHY FROGS?
Revelation 16:13 to 16
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like FROGS come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and out of the mouth of the Beast, and out of the mouth of the False Prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of GOD Almighty.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Ar - mag - eddon.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. (Get ready)
Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Wake up, quick, and get ready
Please read the post I made to Jaz. Hope it helps to give some information to your question.
What I have been taught is that the books of the OT are arranged with : Pentateuch (Books written by Moses)Genesis-Deuteronomy; then the books of the history of Israel from entering the Promised land under Joshua to the reign of the kings of Israel and Judah (Joshua-2 Chronicles); Ezra and Nehemiah are historical books covering the time of the return from Babylonian exile of Judah; Esther is somewhat of an anomaly since it doesn't have a very clear time frame as far as placement in Israel's history; Job is an ancient wisdom book (Job lived between the time of the flood and Abraham, being a distant cousin of Abraham)
Psalms is poetic musical writing; Proverbs and Ecclesiastes is also wisdom books; and Song of Solomon is allegorical.
As far as the remainder of the OT, the books of the prophets are arranged from longest to shortest.
In the NT; first is the 4 Gospels Then Acts is the history of the early church; the epistles are listed, (again), from longest to shortest. And Revelation is what is called apocalyptic writing (which usually contains much allegory, symbolism, and sensational representations of future events.
Carleton
I am looking forward to your posts concerning prayer in the Scriptures.
I am sort of like you in regards to being somewhat "fuzzy headed" in the early morning.
I happened to come across a funny sign at a thrift store and it hangs on the wall of our house now.
When my husband, who is an early bird" tries to engage in conversation when I have just awakened, I just point to the sign and say, "read the sign and check back with me later"
The sign says "I am not a morning person. I don't do "perky" before noon." Of course this is hyperbole. But I like to take my time in the morning and be by myself most of the time until I have eaten breakfast and spent some time with the Lord.
I searched deeply an explanation for this biblical mystery, and by the Word of GOD what I found is the follow:
First of all, frogs are amphibians vertebrate animals that live in the aquatic environment and on the terrestrial environment. But is it the same in the spiritual environment? Yes, it is.
1-AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT OF THE EVIL SPIRITS LIKE FROGS
Revelation 17:15-And the angel saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. NOTE: Except the TRUE CHRISTIANS/ ELIEVERS, all the peoples of all the nations are leaded and guided by the THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS like frogs.TERRIBLE.
The aquatic environment of these three spirits of demons like frogs which guide the peoples or rule nations of all tongues in whole earth, through devilish systems, as religious systems(Catholicism, and Judaism, spiritism, budhism, islamism, among others),and also political systems,and military systems,and social and cultural systems,among others systems. In fact, Satan goes to and fro and from walking up and down among them.
2 - TERRESTRIAL ENVIRONMENT OF THE EVIL SPIRITS LIKE FROGS
FIRST we need to understand that Israel is an island among the waters (Gentile nations)or in the middle of the sea, as is described above in according the Scriptures. Israel is the earth, a dry land, Genesis 1:v.10-3rd Day-or still the clay- Isaiah 64:v.8-a dry land surrounded by water on all sides or by allegory surrounded by the Gentile nations. Isaiah prophesyed saying: Is.41:1-2 -> 1-Keep silence before me,O islands; and let the people renew their strength:let them come near;then let them speak:let us come near together to Judgment.
2 Who raised up the righteous man from the east,called him to his foot,gave the nations before him,and made him rule over kings?he gave them as the dust to his Sword- Revelation 2:v.26 to 28-,and as driven stubble to his bow.(bow- Revelation 6:v.2)
So good it is to hear from you! I hope you are doing well.
On another topic, in the past I have meditated on whether God's people on earth are always surrounded by hostile forces. I believe this thought with history can help us understand Daniel and therefore Revelation.
Hope everyone is doing well! Thanks for letting me know about Friends of King James.
Carleton
It appears that there were at least 14 prayers of Moses; which I think I can safely say shows his prayers were more frequent and a more intimate relationship with the Lord than anyone besides David and of course Christ Himself; except perhaps John the Baptist. Exodus 33:11 speaks of the uniqueness of Moses who spoke face to face with the Lord and even got to view him from afar (his back quarters) in Exodus 33:20-23. We do well to "camp out" on these prayers to learn something about humility as we see was part of Moses' character; as well as his two faults listed in scripture.
Going back into history a bit; we can see through the prayers for offspring of Abraham and Sarah; and that of a wife for Isaac that the entire Biblical lineage as well as the foundation of the patriarchs who constituted the beginnings of the nation of Israel to come much later were established. We go further to Joseph who oddly enough from what I can see doesn't have any prayers listed although certainly lived a faithful existence. With Abraham we have promises of freedom of captivity after 400 years ( Genesis 15:13) which was finally coming to fruition with Moses being God's chosen vessel for this undertaking. Now we had an entire nation of Jews along with a multitude of others along with untold women and children exiting Egypt and basically wandering in the desert; punished by God so that only Joshua and Caleb remained of the original generation to be accompanied by the next generation. It is noteable that Moses' prayer or plea to God to enter the Promised Land was rejected; although He was allowed to view it from afar. ( Deut. 32:52). This was due to his sin at Meribeh ( Numbers 20:13-15). Moses only had one other sin listed; that of killing the Egyptian back before his own 40 years of exile and hiding in Exodus 2:12.
Themes of prayer for a corporate body in Exodus remind us of prayers needed for the church at large. We also need leaders today like this
Genesis 18 involves a conversation with the Lord (likely the incarnate Christ) about the fate of Sodom. Since technically a conversation with God is a prayer (but these days God doesn't appear and have interaction with us in that way) it can be said this is a prayer. The discussion itself was more of a "tit for tat" inquiry or inquisition as it were. This "testing" of God of course can be a dangerous thing; but we must keep in mind first and foremost Lot would have been on his mind; particularly in light of the destruction to come announced by the two angels who had just departed to see what was going on on the ground as it were.
Since Abraham was not privy to God delivering FROM disaster at this point and perhaps was too afraid to state the obvious he whittled down a righteous total to 10 and stopped; with God assuring him that the city would remain if 10 righteous people could be found. Perhaps he was counting on the son in laws if he was aware of them; the same ones who would ridicule the angels when the message was dellivered. He may have also thought SURELY SOMEONE else besides Lot and his immediate family would be justified; perhaps being as removed as he was from the wholesale depravity that had become the lifestyle of everyone in Sodom. He was desperate; no doubt. What he didn't realize; of course is that he stopped just ABOVE the true number of righteous there; in fact Lot's wife would famously turn back and Luke 9:62 seems a fitting epitaph for this pathetic woman who turned into a pillar of salt.
In this case; of course we had a pagan nation God had determined was time to destroy. We see a similar request of intercession after the idolotry in Exodus 32. Moses interceded in verses 11-13 and God relented. We might say that he THROUGH the power of the Spirit interceded and Christ would have foreseen through his future atonement how to cover their sin. This shows the mystery of the Godhead.
This verse is supposed to be a reference to prayers first being said. I never quite understood it that way but in any case nothing specific is said. It is noteworthy what is MISSING in the Antidiluvian era which is ANY reference to prayer at all; we don't even see anything stated for Noah a man of faith; perhaps this is why he silpped so easily into drunkenness after the event when he was tilling a vineyard.
IN the Believer's Portal (dot com) cite we find a list of 650 prayers in scripture. I would recommend that site to get a comprehensive overview of prayer in scripture. According to this cite Genesis 15 is the first prayer stated in scripture and involved Abraham's prayer for his offspring; with the next being Isaac's prayer for Ishmael; the third was Abraham's well known one involving God sparing 10 righteous if they existed in Sodom. This cite also gives the response; in the second prayer it wasn't according to God's will and hence wasn't answered.
Genesis 21 contains the first prayer of a woman (Hagar). This prayer expresses her concern for the immediate fate of her son; Ishmael born from Abraham's seed. She is given miraculous provision in the desert; then told of the future of her son in verse 12 to be a "wild donkey of a man". This sort of "sentiment" wasn't limited to her as others had less than favorable destinies in other familial "blessings".
These passages show that front and center was family posterity and generational blessings and cursings that were the result of prayers as well as frequent scripture themes of God's working with the early patriarchs. Since only a few families existed for God's righteous line it isn't unexpected these are prevalent subject matters of prayers at that time.
In the next post I will consider Abraham's prayer about Sodom and how he acted as intercessor.
This likely is the start of another lengthy series of postings. I fear that my sermon like "lecturing" isn't exactly working at times.
I felt it prudent to let the scriptures speak for themselves-and am unaware of anyone who has searched the scriptures both O.T. and N.T. for a comprehensive study of all times that prayer occurred and repeated themes and patterns that could be established.
Praying "in the Spirit" ( Ephesians 6:18 and 2 other references) is hard to precisely define. There are many theological discussions on what is "proper" or improper things to pray about; but I am unaware of any doctrinal statements that nail it down like there are on other church ordinances; and ceremonies. Interestingly as I have brought up several times on this forum there is no scripture that invokes a saint to pray for a SPECIFIC person to come to Christ. It seems the majority of prayers are personal in scripture. With that being said; intercession for the saints is a vital component ( Romans 8:27); and praying for the nation asking for mercy with national sins is another theme; associated with God's covenant promises being affirmed in the long run despite the disobedience as we see in the case of Daniel chapter 9.
As I may have mentioned in the past; a friend of mine a few years back started an early morning prayer group which I briefly attended before moving back home with my parents and stated that he was "desperate" for prayer. I know of at least one person in my current church who is in his 60s but gets up at 4 or so each day to pray and listen to a Bible study before working his full time job. I have known a couple others in the past who have done the same sort of thing. I'd like to be that way myself; rather than the "ZOMBIE" like state that I am in the early morning. My prayer is fairly consistent but later in the morning although traffic to work has cut that short recently.
In the end; whether by man's weapons of warfare; or God's supernatural destruction using perhaps volcanoes and other natural events to bring about destruction by fire and hail and earthquakes man is rarer than the "gold of Ophir" ( Isaiah 13:17).
In light of current events it isn't entirely implausible that due to political correctness and the efforts for one world "peace" that nuclear weapons could be curbed and once again horses literally could be used in warfare; as is mentioned once again in Revelation 19 in Armageddon. It seems in this event that air and sea weaponry is either not used or very insignificant; particularly in referring to the crossing over of the Euphrates as being a prime event. Many nations don't have a very sophisticated or extensive airplane or ship capability today in that part of the world; and those that do probably will be wiped out in the earlier Ezekiel 38 campaign.
As I said in the outset; where we are now has no guarantees but prayer is something we should bring to worldwide events as well as to individual situations. No doubt judgment has been delayed because the Lord heard our cry and allowed us to intercede through the Spirit much as Moses did to avoid God wiping out everyone at the time and starting over again. The biggest thing to watch out for is what Thessalonians calls "peace and safety (or security). There has to be enough APPARENT progress made in that area to fool the world through Antichrist. This would probably involve overthrow of many if not all of today's worldwide political structures that have long failed to deliver or at least complete overhaul. The existing structure will never be trustworthy enough at this point to sway the masses toward this Beast; he must appear to give everyone what they want and make them think they have actually achieved their "humanitarian" humanistic utopia of total freedom. Ultimately God and Christ are made to be the enemy.
The previous post seems to show horses; and old time warfare involving shields and bucklers. There has been some attempt here as with other verses in Revelation to say modern warfare is implicit here. The destruction by fire and hail that seems to relate to the sixth bowl event or perhaps some of the earlier trumpet events still emphasizes God's judgment SPECIFICALLY. It seems more likely these events are from God Himself particularly in light of this passage and others like it.
And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD.' (Verse 23 at end of Ezekiel 38). There is evidence in verse 21 of people fighting each other; again making an actual sword as a weapon more likely. There are also 1/6 that survive and I believe are submissive and bring captives back to Israel again and are part of the Millennial period. Hence they would NOT take the mark; and that would take away the validity of those who say Antichrist is King of the North. It would appear his part comes after this event when the nations from the North and East invade; although the beginning of that invasion could be with the northern army as to getting his attention.
ARMAGEDDON.
Before I continue; I should point out that Revelation 16:12 mentions the drying of the Euphrates NOT the sixth trumpet judgment. I erred in the last post. This would be the sixth angel; the SEVENTH would be the final hailstone and earthquake (may have said sixth in last posts also).
In any event; we see at this point actual armies being drawn to fight Christ; and it parallels Psalm 2 and doubtless other scriptures. As with Zechariah we see God supernaturally defeating these armies after judging the Beast and False Prophet while still alive with final judgment in the lake of fire. God shortens these days or no man would be saved ( Matt. 24:22).
Verses 2-8 say:
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
This would seem to compare with these passages: Daniel 11:40
And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Daniel 11:44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.
The TIMING of this event is tricky; conceivably it could be BEFORE the Tribulation or at its onset; or be closer to the Midpoint.
Since Israel is in a land that appears to be at peace this would come as a surprise and couldn't be after the midpoint when Antichrist takes over. The seven year cleanup could go beyond the Tribulation.
So inspiring.
Happy Sunday to everyone.