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Sons of GOD : Genesis 6:2, Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7, Revelation 12:10, John 1:12 "But as many as receive him, to them gave he power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on his name:"

Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of GOD, they are the sons of GOD."

Philippians 2:15 "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of GOD, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world."

1John 3:1 "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of GOD: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not."

Matthew 5:16, Luke 8:19, Matthew 23:9, John 20:17, John 4:23, John 16:28, Matthew 6:7-34 did you notice how many times GOD is referenced as "our, your Father " in that portion of chapter 6? Matthew 7:11,

Mark 3:33-35,

1John 3, Romans 8:29,

Contrast = John 8:41-47, 1John 2:23, Matthew 3:9

Hopefully these are all helpful in your study

I feel there is a significant detail that is possibly a detail that the LORD wants to show you. You may want to independent research about lions. I would be interested in what you find relating to what the LORD shows you!

Psalms 91, lions Psalms 91:13,

1st I must thank you, Thanks for bringing me back to this Psalms it's Powerful & encouraging!

Hear are more scriptures on lions within the scripture. Several of GOD's people were delivered from lions.

I understand it to mean, any lion just incase we question "what about a young one". Here's a scripture about "._._.an old lion,who shall rouse him up?' Genesis 49:9,

Young lion : Numbers 23:24,

these also mention a difference between: Job 4:8-21, Job 28:8, Job 38:39, Psalms 17:12, Isaiah 30:6, Isaiah 31:4,

Ezekiel 19:3, Amos 3:4, Micah 5:8,

Victory from lions : Judges 14, 1Samuel 17:34,36, 2Timothy 4:17, Daniel 6,

But also used against a Prophet that disobeyed GOD's specific orders : 1Kings 13,

Hopefully these are helpful

There are some things indicated in Revelation which are past; present and future ( Rev. 1:8). In God's perspective; things have been predetermined; but often there are repeated cycles of progression until the final end determined. Such is the fate of Satan and his minions. Originally; he would have been Lucifer ( Isaiah 14); and would have praised God after the creation with all the angels ( Job 38:7). His fall was due to pride over his beauty. Also; as Ezekiel 28 elaborates; he was involved with trade and violence (verse 16); which could have shown how for an indeterminate amount of time he was establishing some sort of kingdom on the earth while still holding a heavenly role as worship leader.

Thus; Revelation shows a point where Lucifer had found the massive group of coconspirators; and then God's judgment finally took effect. He was not able to rule and reign anymore designated as the music worship leader and whatever else the original position God created him for entailed. The book of Job indicates in the first couple chapters that Satan still would stand before God during the heavenly council meetings; and spent most of his time walking "to and fro through the earth" ( Job 1:7). As the accuser of the brethren now; He has no more hold on death since Christ's redeeming death on the saints. This allowed the rightous souls of the O.T. saints to be released (captivity taken captive) in Eph. 4:8 as prophesied in Psalm 68. He is still the prince of the power of the air ( Ephesians 2:2) which is the atmosphere above the earth. When we get to Revelation 12; we see how Satan and his angels are thrown down to earth and even stomped on likely by Satan himself ( Daniel 8:10). Satan only desires glory for himself; therefore any other false religion and the one true one is destroyed. Hence; he and his minions prepare for the Psalm 2 suicidal massacre attempting to fight Christ Himself at His return. He is put under the earth until final judgment in Rev 22.

Amen, Brother Alex, The Holy Ghost is WORKING in creation to bring creation to TRUTH.

Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.

Revelation 22:16 ....I am the the root and offspring if David, the bright and shining star.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Revelation 1:20...the STARS are the ANGELS ....

Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers (priest) a flaming fire:

Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, YE HIS ANGELS, who excel in strength, and do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

GBU

The name Arcturus references the constellation Ursa Major (The Great Bear) which lies roughly 46 million light years away from earth. It is considered the third largest constellation in the heavens seen from our planet. The seven primary stars of Ursa Major are also called, in modern times, the "Big Dipper," "Charles's Wain" and other names.

Both God and Job reference Arcturus as an example of the Lord's power and infinite wisdom. It is possible that "the sons," connected to the constellation in Job 38:32, is in reference to the three stars found in the bear's "tail" (the three brightest stars in the Big Dipper's handle seen below).

God bless you all

Online : is the brightest star in Northern celestial hemisphere, fourth brightest in night sky, called a bright red giant star,

Hopefully helpful

Job 38:32

Who is Arcturus and his sons?

Hi Cecil, please read Psalm 37,

I knew a guy named Cecil at Myrtle Beach Air Force Base. He adopted a 6month old baby girl that had been horrificly abused. I read your post several times. I closed the ap. Had to pray a little & think on your post. I haven't heard from our friend Cecil since I was a teenager. The MBAFB shut down shortly after those days & everyone moved away.

Cecil, GOD is Just. Have you heard of Moses? In Genesis, Abraham was promised several amazing things, a son from his 'wife', in their old age, etc. Gen. 12:2,3,7, but also that those heirs would be servant in strange land & afflicted 400 yrs. Genesis 15:12-13, if you read in depth you can find GOD's justice. Genesis 12:10-17, Genesis 16:1-16, Genesis 21:9-19 = it was in Egypt, Abraham's children of Sarah's son Isaac's offspring were afflicted.

Genesis 18, shows great mercy of GOD that if 10 righteous were in that land (Sodom & Gomorrah) it would've been spared. That's his Nephew Lot's friends & family. ?, Right here is proof the GOD interecedes on People's behalf when they obey HIM.

GOD's ways are not our ways, Isaiah 55:8,9,

We cannot blame GOD for wickedness of man = Genesis 6:5-6,

Yet GOD shows us mercy & unimaginable love, John 3:16-17, salvation through sacrifice, Psalms 18:25-27,

GOD is merciful, true & Just. If you read the books that go alongside Isaiah you'll get a clearer picture: 2Chronicles 36, Jeremiah 29, Jeremiah 51, Exodus 22:22, Isaiah 1:17, Isaiah 1:23, Jeremiah 7:6, Jeremiah 22:3, Ezekiel 22:7, Malachi 3:5, Zechariah 7:10, you can start with those verses because that's most of what GOD asked of Israel & Judah. Then please read the Books & chapters.

Then Babylon: 2Kings 20:12-18,19, Daniel 1, 2Kings 25:8-9, I stopped there because that's enough about the evil.

Hopefully these are helpful if you are trying to search for truth & understanding. You can also ask for wisdom James 1:5-6,21,

Job 38:1-41, James 4:12,

* Hebrews 7:25,

Hi Gigi; I understand you are trying to quote Job 38:7 please read it with me, Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? KJB the morning stars here refer unto angels and the sons of God refer unto human beings. Therefore; this text is speaking about after man and angels were created, not before they were created. God never calls angels sons of God Hebrews 1:5 Knowing you must be a human being to become a son of God, like Adam Luke 3:38 or like Christians John 1:12 I believe the bible is revealing the angels were created after mankind, as in Genesis 2:8-9 as Adam was watching God create the trees from the garden of God, this was done after God created trees already on the third day and after he rested on the seventh day, meaning this word tree is metaphorical and are the angels, as the prophet Ezekiel reveals in 31:8-9

Hi K; I have read what you wrote, and I must confess, I have very little faith when it comes to transliteration bibles, I prefer the King James or the Septuagint. In the KJB Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The question from this text is when could the morning stars sing together, knowing that these are the angels, with the sons of God, knowing that these are mankind. Please note Hebrews 1:5 God never calls angels sons of God, first let me say, only a human being can become a son of God, Read Luke 1:38 Adam was a son of God, then compare that statement to John 1:12 only Christians can become sons of God, or compare that to Romans 8:14, only Christians who have matured enough to be led by the Holy Ghost, can become a son of God. Do not allow yourself to be deceived by false teachers or books, like the book of Enoch, which is heresy, stating it rained in the days of Enoch, more than 300 years before it rained in the bible. So I believe Gen. 2:8-9 Angels were created in front of Adam as the metaphorical word, trees. This is explained in Ezekiel 31:8-9

Can someone please explain Job 38:31-33. Who are the Pleiades, Orion and the Mazzaroth. Who are they and how do they play into everything???

Brother David, put the verses below together and mediate on them in the spirit.

We are here on earth and the kingdom is within us. Christ is the body that holds the fullness of the Father, Christ is ONE with the Father, a body with LIFE in that body, we are (ONE) the body and Christ is the LIFE in the body.

Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY..... CHRIST IN YOU.....

Ephesians 4:4

Mark 8:35

Matthew 7:14

Christ is the SEED and the SEED, when planted, bears SEED exactly like the SEED planted. Look at the way God has made plants and animals to reproduce, after their LIKENESS. God reproduces no different than what he created reproduces. Jesus is the first (son of god), Jesus is the last (son of god).

Job 38:7 When the MORNING STARS (plural) sang together (ONE), the SONS OF GOD shouted for joy.

Revelation 22:16

Revelation 2:28

God Bless You!

Hey Tony,

If I may, what people call demons are devils, unclean spirits, principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places, some spirits with no physical bodies, some angels that have bodies that cannot possess humans but can control. Evil spirits are on this earth that can influence and also possess humans.

We see while Jesus was here the first time, He cast them out of many people, also he gave power for the disciples to do the same Matthew 10:1. We also see Paul doing the same, one in Acts 16:18. They are still on this earth, many do not believe they're real but believe me they are real.

The bible is not clear how or why these beings are on the earth. There are writings outside of the bible that talk about these but how true are they. The sons of God you speak of are angels, not unembodied spirits. Job 1:6 Job 2:1 and Job 38:7. We know some angels left their first estate and sinned that are locked in chains of darkness until judgment. 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 1:6.

These angels are not the devils or spirits that are roaming this earth, they are locked in the bottomless pit. We see they have a king in Revelation 9 whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Strange is his name has the same meaning as the son of perdition, that means destruction/destroyer.

Through scripture, it says angels can take on human form, they ate and drank and even wrestled with Jacob. We are even warned when entertaining strangers they may be an angel. The sons of God you speak of in Genesis are those angels who left their first estate and mated with human women that produced the giants (Nephilim and Rephaim or Rephaites) The name of these people means "terrible ones", they were before the flood and after Genesis 6:4 tells us they were then and after the flood and when the sons of God mated with women it produced giants.

God bless,

RLW

MORNING STAR

Revelation 2:28 I will give him the morning star.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus.....I AM ...... the bright and MORNING STAR.

Job 38:7 When the MORNING STARS sang together, and all the Son's of God shouted for joy?

Brother Chris, the wages of sin is death and the grave. Our sin, most of which, is unbelief, causes death, and when we are dead we cannot bring glory to our creator. Christ died and was resurrected to restore this condition. Christ overcomes sin in our lives, therefore at some point in time, death will be destroyed. Those called out in this age are coming to this knowledge. Those not called out in this age will be resurrected back to their flesh and brought to truth.

Luke 16:26 The gulf that can't be passed over is death and the grave, locked in prison.

Matthew 5:25-26 In this scripture our (flesh) is the adversary to God (Spirit) if we don't agree with Him, he delivers us to the judge (Christ, the words and chastisement), if we still don't agree, he delivers us to the officer (death) and cast us into prison (grave).

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan (flesh) shall be loosed out of prison (death and the grave), the gulf that couldn't be crossed.

Christ has the keys to death and the grave. His resurrection unlocked and destroyed death and the grave, we are restored to Sons of God. ( Job 38:7)( Revelation 22:16)

Job 17:13-16

Chris, for fifty plus years, I was taught and BELIEVED in a Literal place called heaven and a Literal place called hell.

God stopped me dead in my tracks and isolated me for five plus years with his word and his Spirit, and taught me what the Kingdom of God actually is. It not a place, it's a person, Sons of God, like Christ himself.

All of creation are brothers and sisters, of an in CHRIST, and at God's appointed time, each and everyone with be delivered, By CHRIST, into the Kingdom of God.

Of Gen. 6:2 =

Besides here, the Old Testament uses the expression "the sons of GOD" to identify supernatural angelic beings:

1st, Job 1:6-7 describes "sons of GOD" presenting "themselves before The LORD." Note that "Satan (the supreme demonic angelic principality) came also among them."

2nd, Job 38:7 records JEHOVAH asking Job

"[4] Where wast thou [7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of GOD shouted for joy?"

Here, both expressions, "morning stars" and "sons of GOD" identify supernatural angels reacting to GOD's wondrous Creative Power.

The Old Testament does not use this expression to refer to believing saints except for the possible exception of Hosea 1:10: "In the place where it was said unto them (Israel), Ye are not MY people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of The Living GOD." The LORD, through HIS prophet Hosea, prophetically promised Israel a restoration far into the future.

Moreover, the designation "men" translates from the Hebrew noun "adam" (Eng. transliteration; pronounced "aw-DAWM"). Scriptures record the term "adam" (aprox. 529 times) to refer to all mankind (generically), both male and female, as the highest created species of living creatures (e.g. Gen. 1:26): "GOD said, Let US make man (Heb. "adam") in OUR IMAGE, after OUR Likeness."

Therefore, these "daughters of men" are the human female offspring of human fathers and mothers. Certain demonic angels saw these "daughters" as physically attractive ("fair"). Their "fairness" spawned unholy desires within these wanton angels who looked upon them, and desired them as objects solely for fulfilling their lusts.

Teresa johnson,

We see in Job the sons of God are angels ( Job 1"6) ( Job 2:1) and ( Job 38:7). There are demons on the earth that I hope you never have to contend with because these are vicious beings. How or why they are here is not in scripture, there are writings outside of the Bible but whether they are true is in question. But what does scripture tell us?

We see in Scripture angels appearing in the form of man, able to eat, drink, and have physical contact with humans. ( Genesis 18:2-8) ( Genesis 32:24-30). We are also told to be careful entertaining strangers because they could be an angel, ( Hebrews 13:2). The angels that left their first estate were treated differently, they were locked in chains of darkness (bottomless pit) until judgment, they are not roaming this earth.

Angels have no need to reproduce in their present estate like humans. If angels by choosing to leave their first estate can procreate, that is what we see in ( Genesis 6:1-4), and is probably the reason those angels were locked up in darkness because they corrupted God's creation of mankind, that God destroyed with the flood.

Angels and demons are roaming the earth. We see in Daniel 10 good angels and bad angels battle each other here on earth, same as we battle these beings, these may be part of the third that will be cast down with Satan. We see they rejoice in heaven when this happens and say woe unto those on earth.

We know by Job Satan has access to heaven because he went with the sons of God when they presented themselves to God, ( Job 1:6-12). Some take Revelation 12 as in the past, but if we look at what is said. Satan is the accuser and accuses us daily. If you read Revelation 12 you will see in vs. 8, Satan has no more place in heaven. In vs. 11 they overcome Satan by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives until death, this is in the future, not the past.

God bless,

RLW

The angels are sons of God, as was Adam ( Job 38:7; Luke 3:38), by creation; Christians are the sons of God by adoption ( Rom. 8:14, 15); but Christ is the Son of God by birth.

Hi Brother Earl.

I believe you gave us a view of the trinity. Gen. 1:1.In the beginning "El-o-heem'" created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 1:2.And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the "SPIRIT OF GOD moved upon the face of the waters.

Gen 1:3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Now I'm not sure if you're saying Jesus was created in verse 3 or not but we are sure it's not so according to these verses.

( ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made.)

In him was life; AND THE "LIFE WAS THE LIGHT OF MEN."

Colossians 1:16-17. For by him were all things created, that are in HEAVEN, and that are in earth, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, whether they be THROWNS, or DOMINIONS, or PRINCIPALITIES, or POWERS: (all things were created by him, and for him:)

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

"Point here is we see Angels created here as well!!

And in Job 38:4-7. The Angels shouted for joy when Jesus created the Earth.

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

John 17:5. And now, O Father, glorify thou me WITH THINE OWN SELF with the glory which I had with thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

Now we know he didn't come in the 4th Day!

Gen 1:16. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. THE SUN. "Also created!" You see a contrast of that light and the light of Jesus in

Revelation 21:23. and Revelation 22:5.

Revelation 3:14. Means in the sense Jesus is the origin and source of Gods creation. Colossians 1:15-18. and head of the new creation. 2 Corinthians 5:17.

God bles

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven( Job 38:4-7 4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?) and the earth. ( Isaiah 14:12-14 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.) What I put in parentheses are the the other scriptures that show angles were made before the earth, since they are witness of the creation of the earth. Also I put in scripture were Lucifer first decide to rebel against God which would be after the creation of the earth before the flood of the universe which is why the Spirt of God is hovering over the waters. It was due to judgment against Lucifer and his fallen angels and creation at the time. Now angles cant die by the flood waters they are sprit but what ever was on the earth during that time could die which is were you can find your dinosaurs living during Lucifer rein over the earth. Also its the reason why God said in Genesis 9:11-15 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. Their was a flood before Noah's flood its the reason why good use the pervious waters already left over from the pervious flood. When ever waters is mentioned in Genesis it refers to the waters in Genesis 1:2.

Neville Stewart

There are two primary views on the identity of the sons of God and daughters of men. They were godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain. The major support for this interpretation is Genesis chapter 4 describes the ungodly generations of Cain, and 5 is the godly Seth line and the righteous line of Seth.

Cain and Seth are both descendants of Adam and Eve so if the descendants of Cain's daughters were fair, so the daughters of Seth would also be fair so, godly vs ungodly would have to be the difference. Nowhere in scripture are the descendants of Seth called "the sons of God", but more as an adoption, "shall be my son" as Solomon and us today, who receive Jesus and are led by the Spirit of God are the sons/ daughters of God. ( 1 Chronicles 17:13) ( 2 Corinthians 6:18)

The other view is angels who left their first estate and mated with women. Angels are called sons of God in Job, ( Job 1:6) ( Job 2:1) ( Job 38:7). Some say angels can not mate because of what Jesus said in ( Matthew 22:29-30). But all through scripture angels take on human form, they eat and drink and if they left their first estate it is possible. Scripture does not give a lot about this; we have 1656 years from Adam to the flood in only 7 chapters of Genesis.

Scripture tells us there are devils, demons, and fallen angels but these angels are different they are locked in chains of darkness in the bottomless pit until judgment. ( 2 Peter 2:4) ( Jude 1: 6). The bottomless pit comes up in Revelation, another study.

Also mentioned are giants/ Nephilim/ Rephaim "in those days; and also after that", before and after the flood. Whether these were offspring of angels' scripture does not tell us. The description in scripture is clear these are not just tall people. ( 2 Samuel 21:16) ( Joshua 12:4) ( Numbers 13:33) ( Deuteronomy 20:17) ( Deuteronomy 2:19-21) ( Amos 2:9).

This is just a small amount of information, maybe it will get you started in your study.

RLW

Miyelani,

Your question, was sin there before the earth was created? Just to add a little to brother Earl's reply.

We know by the book of Job angels were created before for this earth ( Job 38:7). God asked Job these questions; "Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?" "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?" ( Job 38)

We know God's plan was before this world, which includes the lake of fire and who this lake of fire was prepared for. ( Matthew 25:41) We are told one purpose the Son of God was manifested. ( 1John 3:8)

All of God's mysteries have not been revealed, things behind the scenes, things that are not in our Bible. If "there" in your question, is on earth the answer is no. Scripture does not tell us precisely when Satan sinned (rebelled).

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

RLW

I personally don't think the real significance of that stanza is to express how all knowing and all colorful the creator is over his creation.

The reason I say this is because if that point could be expressed any number of ways more efficiently then by doing it the way it was done; this is because the way it's done the reader has deposited think wait a minute who is Arcturus what is Masa Ross etc point could've been made easily without the distraction if that was the point trying to be made.

Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS knowledge.

HEAVEN

Flesh sees everything as natural. Heaven to natural eyes is out there somewhere. In Revelation where new Jerusalem is described; flesh sees this as a literal city with literal mansions and literal streets and literal trees and literal rivers. Bodies that have been glorified don't need houses or streets or walls or gates. We are the houses (mansions) of God, we are the streets of gold, we are the foundations of the city, we are NEW JERUSALEM. Revelation describes the foundation as twelve precious and costly stones. We are those (living) ( 1 Peter 2:4) stones that make up the city of new Jerusalem. We are the gates made of one pearl ( Psalms 23:9). Revelation represents something that is not LITERAL (which shall disappears)

Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, SIGNIFIETH the REMOVING of those things that are shaken, as of things that are MADE, that those things WHICH CANNOT BE SHAKEN REMAIN.

This is why you don't see prophecies of heaven; WE ARE HEAVEN, WHERE GOD DWELLS.

Luke 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven (you) shall be SHAKEN.

Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the WICKED might be SHAKEN out of it?

Mark 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

We are the stars of heaven (God's promise to Abraham that his seed would be as the stars of heaven)

The powers (of Satan that rules by natural flesh) in heaven (US) shall be SHAKEN (flesh will be destroyed and replaced by Spirit)

Revelation is all about the removing of the LITERAL and replacing with the SPIRIT.

A new heaven a new earth.

Verse 38:7 is one verse to think about because it includes the word stars and that is atheism children and also the sons of God which is everyone.

Steve, May the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

John 9 1-3 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

(vs 2) And his disciples ask him, saying, Master, WHO DID SIN, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

(vs 3) Jesus answered, Neither has this man sinned, or his parents: but that THE WORKS OF GOD should be manifest in him.

None of us can completely understand why God does certain thing, but we can believe through the working of the Holy Spirit and stand on his word that the outcome will both bring us into the light and glorify God in the process.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto you do well that you take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day (of the Lord)(CHRIST IN YOU) dawn, and the day star arise in you hearts.

Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.

Revelation 22:16 ...... I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together; and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice (the holy Spirit) saying in heaven (you, where Christ

dwells), Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of God (Christ in you), and the power of his Christ: for the ACCUSER of our brethern is cast down, which ACCUSED them (you) before our God day and night (they have no rest).

COME INTO MY REST AND CEASE FROM YOUR WORKS (your way of thinking)

May the SPIRIT grace you with ears to hear and eyes to see.

MYSTERY BABYLON

The seven headed beast of Revelation 17:

"Here is the mind which has wisdom"

The heads are symbolic of seven kingdoms, starting with the beast of Daniel 7;

1st < Babylon

2nd < Medo-Persia

3rd < Greece

4th < Pagan Rome

5th < Papal Rome; the little horn

("that was" & "is not" & "yet is")

6th < "one is"

The woman that rides the beast is in captivity at the time of John's vision, AFTER receiving the deadly wound from the (atheist) beast from the bottomless pit [ Rev 11:7]. This is the beast of THE TIME AND PLACE of John's vision IN THE WILDERNESS.

(Meaning that John is in the wilderness in his vision and not physical on Patmos, and he sees a beast that would come up from out of this wilderness. Read Job 38:26.)

7th < "is not yet come"

At the time of John's vision in the wilderness, this head of the beast was yet to come; this is the beast from out of the earth [ Rev 13:11];

(And he shall exercise all of the power of the first beast...) when this beast will speak like a dragon.



This beast must continue a short time, as per the others before him.

I believe by the testimony of Jesus, that we are now living in that "short time".

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

{ Revelation 17:8}

:11...even he is the eighth, AND IS OF THE SEVEN, and ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition.

--There are seven heads at the time of John's vision, five kings/heads/beast are fallen, so this eighth is of the five kingdoms...."that was"...."and is not"...."yet is" AND received a deadly wound; AND his deadly wound was healed.

This wound is the loss of her (the woman/church that rides the beast.) temporal sword (also her captivity), which is the earthly secular world kingdom.

NASA recently published these "new" discoveries regarding the gravitational forces of Pleiades yet this information was clearly written in God's word! Accurate science always matches up with the word of God.

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"And the heavens & earth that are now", I don't regard as a stage because: 1. the heavens haven't changed in form or substance & 2. the earth is still essentially the same that was once submerged. I do agree with your 'Third heaven & earth stage', though.

Re: Satan & the Job reference. Probably my timeline would be as follows (& again, certainly not 'set in stone'): Lucifer was cast out of Heaven because of his rebellion ( Isaiah 14); he roamed the Earth (& elsewhere) & was in Eden at the creation of Adam & Eve ( Ezek 28); he appears with the Angels of God which seems to be an extraordinary event as God asks, "From where have you come?", as if to say, 'you aren't part of my angelic host, why have you joined them now?' Apparently, as a spirit he must have still had freedom to move wherever he wished. And yes, Satan, with the angelic host were created before the worlds were put together & probably, as you suggest, were included as the 'morning stars' in Job 38:7 (& this reference would precede the Isaiah 14 reference: before his rebellion).

Just my thoughts from my studies, but no doubt lacking for want of more biblical narrative & limited revealed light to me.

Chris,

Thank you for your various responses.

I believe you are correct as to the speaker being Jeremiah up until ( Jeremiah 4:26).

I was wondering, though, if you believe that this is a portrayal of Israel's future punishment, the devastation of this particular punishment of earth covered in water, and no light from heaven, has not come to pass. Is this yet still a future punishment awaiting Israel? If so, then what do we do with God's covenant to Noah in Genesis 9:8-17?

As to the three earth and heaven ages, have you considered 2 Peter chapter 3.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

I believe this is reference to the 1st earth and heaven age, which ended by being "overflowed with water," i.e., becoming "without form, and void."

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

I understand this to be the 2nd heaven and earth age. Time present. From Genesis 1:2 on.

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

I believe this is the 3rd heaven and earth age we are all looking forward to.

Heaven on earth ( Revelation 21:2)

Three heaven and earth ages; One heaven and one earth.

Concerning Satan, I would give reference to Job.

Satan I believe can be considered a "son of God," because he is referenced as being among them and with them to present himself to God in Job 1:6 and again in Job 2:1.

Satan is also included as being there with God when "the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy" ( Job 38:7) in reference to the creation of earth by God.

It seems as though Satan and the other angels may have been around before the creation of the earth itself.

Thanks,

EJL