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Well Idk if that other answer answered it because I didn't read it but

Because Jesus was with God

John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 10:30

"I and my Father are one."

So the Word was God and was with God since the beginning. So Jesus was the one with God and is also God.

Genesis 2:18

"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."

Genesis 2:21-23

"And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;"

"And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man."

"And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

So MAN was created in the image of God but woman was created as a help meet for man so women were not created in the image of God if that answers anything.

You're correct, those particular terms are not found in the Bible; only Son of God or Spirit of God. However, could it be that those terms actually imply a similar meaning?

For example, I point out a car to you which is parked kerbside. I tell you, "That's my car". How do you understand me? In the normal way, you will immediately assume that the car belongs to me. But actually it doesn't belong to me, it belongs to a friend, from whom I have loaned it. So which is correct? In a sense, both are correct: the car is mine because I have the key to it & I drive it - so it could be that I own it or I took loan of it - it's still mine to get inside & drive it.

The point I'm making is that whether Jesus is described as 'the Son of God' or 'God's Son' or 'God the Son', can still have the same meaning only if the Scriptures spoken about Him, warrant it. If we didn't have John 1:1-14, John 20:28, Isaiah 9:6, Titus 2:13, Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:1-8, John 10:30, 2 Peter 1:1, & others, given to us, then yes, you would be entirely correct to say that Jesus is just a created Being by God, thus to be called His Son.

So the question is not about the accuracy of the term 'God the Son', but rather what do people do with all the other Scriptures that point to Jesus being both the Son of God & God the Son? I have often asked people to exegete John 1:1-14 to me & they have failed to do so. I did see a Christadelphian article on it, & they say "the Word that became flesh was not the incarnate Son but the incarnate Word". Strange! If the Word became flesh & we know of no other human that became one from the Word of God, then it must apply to Jesus Who is God's Word made flesh & dwelt amongst us. I have no problem with this, but those who oppose this doctrine fail to provide an adequate explanation, rather either avoid such Scriptures or apply another interpretation to them to support their belief. Some might be convinced by this - others, reading the Word, remain unconvinced.

Jesus is the Son of God in the flesh with the power of God , yet not the One God that is Father and creator of all , Jesus called him father too .

Spare me your delusions please .

Amen, Amen

Jesus is God. 1 John 5:7

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

There are not 3 gods. He ( God lowered himself a little lower than the angels) read Hebrews all of Hebrews.

He took on the seed of Abraham Hebrews 2:6 Jesus came to die for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. I could say so much on this subject. Speaking of the fallen angels & the devil : 1 Corinthians 2:8

"Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory."

King James Version (KJV)

John chapter 10 ..

No man took his life he lay it down

Jesus IS God..

there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. 19There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. 20And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? 21Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

When we say that Jesus is God, we understand that He is that part of the Godhead that constitutes God's complete Being & now revealed to us. So yes, Jesus is God, just as God Himself & His Holy Spirit are equally the One God. We read in John 1:1 & following verses, that the Word was with God & was God. And this Word (that which proceeds from God's Mouth) which was also His Word in forming all of creation, God chose to give a Body of flesh. So we have what is referred to as the 'Incarnation' = when God's Word was given a Body so that God could fully accomplish His Plan for redeeming mankind from sin unto Himself. If this did not happen, all races of people would be eternally gripped by sin's power & face a certain eternity in Hell. But God stepped into our humanity for the purpose of being our Sacrifice for the sins we should have been penalized & suffer for.

If this concept of the 'Trinity' (i.e. God is One but is seen in His Three Beings) is difficult to comprehend & none of us can fully take it in anyway because we don't naturally think or live at that level, then we can use a simple but weak illustration. As you know, we are composed of three aspects to our being: that which is seen (the body) & that which is unseen (the soul & spirit). The body will age & deteriorate, whereas the immaterial part of us doesn't, & is accountable to God & will return to God. Now, if we remove any one of those three parts of us, we cease to be human in the normal acceptance of our being. So too would God be, if any being of His Deity was excluded, i.e. He wouldn't be the God of the Universe & indeed the God of Love & Mercy that He is to us.

So, Jesus in His Divinity as part of the Godhead, is now referred to as the Son of God, by virtue of His Incarnation ( Luke 1:35). He's still God, but now as God the Father's resurrected Son after paying the price of our sins, & seated at the place of power, at God's right Hand. Jesus completed His Work on Earth but His Spirit works on in us.

Yes, hes god manifested in the flesh

is Jesus god?

No, there is no other place in the Bible, but verse 26, is a prelude of the future of those who reject Christ.

Genesis 2:15

"And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it."

Genesis 3:24

"So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

John 10:10

New International Version

10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full

MYSTERY OF THE NEPHILIM REVEALED

Gen.6:4

Scriptural Facts:

1. Heavenly or Fallen Angels can not procreate according to biblical scripture. ( Matt. 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34)

2. There is no evidence from the dead sea scrolls on gen.6:4 that the Nephilim were the offspring of the sons of God and daughters of men.

3. The Nephilim were present before and after the sons of God and daughters of man had intercourse.

4. Sons of God could mean holy Angels or holy men according to scripture. ( Job 1:6; 2:1), ( Psalm 82:6, Hos. 1:10; John 10:34-38, Matt. 5:9; Luke 3:38; Rom. 8:14)

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Knowing these facts; we can rule out that the sons of God are angels in gen 6:4 because they procreate.

Therefore, they must be men that had God's favor(Seth's lineage). The daughters of man would be women without God's favor(Cain's lineage). Their offspring would be human.

What are these Nephilim?

Well, they can't be the offspring of the sons of God and daughters of man according to the facts stated above; because the nephilim were present when the sons of God lusted the daughters of man. How could the Nephilim be present when the sons of God first had sex with the daughters on man? Wouldn't they need to be born first?

The interpretation from a root word naphil of Nephilim means fallen ones.

Look at the similarities of seraphim and cherubim. Now look at Nephilim.

Seraphim and Cherubim are Holy Angels.

Doesn't it make since that the Nephilim would be Fallen angels?

The men of renown is another way of referring to famous biblical characters like Adam, seth, Enoch, and Noah.

How did the spies from moses know what the Nephilim looked like or were?

Stories told from generation to generation about them being frightening.

When the spies saw giant men, they were frightened and thought they were the Nephilim.

The Nephilim most likely tempted the sons of God and daughters of man.

The Nephilim were fallen Angels not human. Goliath was a man.

This is what I know. God is a spirit and a consuming fire. Jesus is fully God and fully man. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ

The Holy Spirit is invisible.

King James Bible

Hebrews 12:29

For our God is a consuming fire.

Deuteronomy 4:24

For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

John 4:24

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 15:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. Three persons: all are one God.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

Maybe you'd like to add a KJV Bible to your bookcase?

Blessings, Mishael

The Father purposes; wills

The Son is the Word of God, speaks it

The Holy Spirit performs the the spoken Word of God

When we speak the Word of God over an issue or condition in our lives; according to the Known Will of God (the Bible, OT and NT); the Holy Spirit moves to accomplish it.

All three are one; not Separated.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

1 John 5:7, John 10:30

Acts 17:27-30

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

They speak amongst themselves.

Write these scriptures on the inside cover of your Bible now. This subject comes up often. The scriptures are plain enough to be understood.

Debates and arguing theologies according to varying opinions cause confusion. Acts 17 should dispel that.

Mishael

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages.

Each scripture demonstrates all 3 persons speaking together: Father, Word, Holy Spirit.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

Theres at least 10 scriptures proving it. If you find more, let me know.

Mishael

John Chapter 10

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 THE Thief (SATAN) cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:

I am (JESUS) come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Comment: the sheep are the human believers that Follow Jesus. Read Psalm 23.

In the Bible is there another place where it say the day I will come to steal kill and destroy all the beef come to see a kill and destroy

People forget 2 Churches (1 of GOD & Christ) (1 of Satan Church Of Mahon) Remember: Read Line Upon Line, Precept upon Precept, a Little Here, a Little There:

Here's the Problem

1.) John 5:23

That all men should honour the Son, euen as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not e Sonne, honoreth not e Father which hath sent him.

2.) John 10:38

But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

3.) John 14:13

And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son

Here's The True Word:

1.) 1 Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for euer: & this is the word which by the Gospel is preached vnto you.

2.) Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;

3.) Matthew 4:10 for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

4.) Luke 4:8 Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

I fully support Prodigal son comments below and will pray as well that you find your friend so you can set him free with Gospel truth.

At the moment he believed (confessed that Jesus died for him in his place), he was sealed with the Holy Spirit as a down payment of His inheritance.

Nobody can snatch him out of God's hand - not even himself.

John 10:27-29 (LEB): 27My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish forever, and no one will seize them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them* to me, is greater than all, and no one can seize them* from the Father's hand.

In our sin nature, we will wander away out from under the Lords protection, but He has promised above not to lose a SINGLE one of us!

Have a blessed day

Blessed Assurance:

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. ( 1 John 2:1-2)

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. ( John 3:17)

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. ( John 6:37-40)

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. ( John 10:9-10)

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. ( Romans 8:1-2)

Adam, you are not even considering verse 18, which tells us Christ could not be The Most High. You must take into consideration the conversation Christ had with those who hated him and accused him of being God. Do you remember it? It is recorded at John 10:24-39. When Christ said: I and the Father are one. They became angry, believing he was making himself equal to The Most High. How did Christ answer their charge? He refers his opposers to a Psalm 82, which records The Most High condemning the judges of Israel, who were perverting justice. Yet He called them 'gods'. Why? Because they had delegated to them judgment of life or death, wielding great power.

Then Christ concluded with the statement: Say ye of him whom the Father sanctified, and sent into the world, thou blasphemest, because I said I am THE SON OF GOD? (Capitalization mine for emphasis)

Here Christ clearly defines his relationship with The Most High. He is the Son of The Most High, not The Most High.

As I tried to explain in my first comment, we have all been duped and deceived by Satan until now. We are now in 'the time of the end' when the Word would no longer be 'shut up' and 'sealed'. However, just as their were those who could not hear the truth coming out of the mouth of Christ, to day the world will not listen to the truth coming out of the mouth of Christ's 'brothers'; the 'predestinated' ones Paul wrote about extensively at Ephesians 1 and 2.

The truth is available to all men because few have been 'born again'; baptized in water and Spirit. Without Spirit, one cannot hear the words of Christ. To sum up, you have heard the truth, backed up by Scripture. You must decide whether you should continue to cling to the deceptions that have hypnotized the world or pray for The Most High's Holy Spirit to grant you understanding.

Peace, seeker of truth.

Lets have the Bible interpret:

Psalms

Chapter 23

1 (A Psalm of David.) The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

( Isaiah 40:11)

( John 10:11)

( 1 Peter 2:25)-For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

( Rev 7:15-17)-For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

( Psalm 19:7-9)-the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.

9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

( Psalm 3:3-8)

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

( Revelation 21:6,7)-

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

( Luke 6:36,37)

36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

The Godhead Scriptures

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

There's only 10 scriptures proving it.

However I found another one tonight.

Wow...eleven Holy Scriptures; Divine and Inspired. Written in the Bible on paper and not altered by people.

No problem. As Adam left you a link to a page. When you are in the KJV 1611 section, click up at top of this page, use the index finder to the right. When you put in the book and chapter you want to look at. Then click the red arrow. It will come up in text. Scroll down a little and you will see the picture of the page to the right. Click on it and your in. Click on it again and it gets even bigger. Have fun!

Hi Mike,

The 1611 KJV is literally from 1611 A.D. the very first printing of it and it shows the actual scans of it, so you can compare and figure out anything that has changed. Of course the meaning hasn't changed, but the English language has actually changed a lot in 400 years, so it the KJV was adjusted to match the current language.

Link

You can do a parallel view of each chapter to see the differences:

Link

Thank you again for your reply, you said you have every page photographed. I am having trouble finding these page photos. I found images of the bible but how do I look up 1st peter kjv page photos for and example?

Hello Mike,

Hopefully I can help with a couple of your questions. The KJV is the best, oldest, version of the Bible we have. One thing that is quiet awesome of this site is when you look in the 1611 KJV section. They have every single page photographed, and posted here, of an original 1611 KJV Bible. Very cool. Many of the newer versions have had things removed and words changed. As the KJV is the oldest English Bible. So with just a couple of the verses you have. In Luke 19:23 the word they made "bank" was the original Greek word "trapeza" transliterated from Greek. This word means "a table or stool" or "a table or stand of a money changer to count money". The word is used thirteen times, in the New Testament, for "table" and just once for "bank". Seems ok instead of saying maybe "my money onto the money changers table". The other one is Isaiah 11:6. It has always been "wolf also shall dwell with the lamb". As you have "the young lion and the fatling together" in the same verse. Along with "the lion shall eat straw like the ox" in the next verse. The lion and the lamb thing was actually started in a song way back and got popular. Spreading but it was always "wolf also shall dwell with the lamb".

Hope that helps some. God Bless.

Some words that I see, I run through THIS websites SEARCH BOX to see if the search engine has that word in it.

If the word your looking up doesn't fetch some scriptures, then it's not in the KJV. The website will ask if you want to google search? It will offer scriptures it thinks will help you find the word you are searching:

Similar but not the same.

Don't be afraid to search around and see what all this website can help you with in your studies.

The Commentaries are within the Search Box. Click/touch your scripture. It will turn yellow. Scroll downward and there you can read the Commentary by a scholar.

If you get "lost". Just back arrow out or go out and come back in again.

Mishael

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

There are only 10 scriptures proving it:

Mishael

Thank you for your reply. The reason I ask is that in mark 2:22 says no one puts new wine in old bottles wasn't always wine skins? Also in luke 19:23 uses the word bank "Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury" Did they have banks when they translated 1611 kjv? Also in Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, wasn't it always "the lion shall down with the lamb? And the our father prayer in Luke 11:2, now says "Our Father which art in heaven" wasn't it always "our father WHO art in heaven"? I have many more discrepancies.

2 Timothy 2:22-26

Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

23

But foolish and unlearned questions AVOID, knowing that they do gender (cause) STRIFES.

24

And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25

In meekness instructing those that OPPOSE themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

26

And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the DEVIL, who are taken captive by him at his will.

2 Timothy 3:5

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2 Timothy 4:3-4

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

I STRONGLY SUGGEST WE DO NOT ARGUE ABOUT THE GODHEAD

Genesis 1:1, 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

There is only 10 scriptures Proving it.

Mishael