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Amen Brother Luke:

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day (the day of the Lord: CHRIST IN YOU) on the mount of Olives, which is before (NEW) Jerusalem (Christ in you, the city made of LIVING stones), and the mount of Olives (which is the new Jerusalem) shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west (symbolic); and there shall be a very great valley (symbolic),and half of the mountain (symbolic) shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

This Mountain (symbolic of the people that make up this mountain); half represents the mount of Jacob and half the mount of Esau.

Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a FIRE (our God is a consuming FIRE: YOU WILL BE: the image of Christ) and the house of Joseph a Flame ( Luke 16:24), and the house of Esau for stubble; and they SHALL KINDLE IN THEM (as Christ did in you), and devour them, and there shall not be remaining any of the house of ESAU ( Zechariah 14:21); for the Lord hath spoken it.

Obadiah 1:21 And saviours (Christ and those called to be HIS IMAGE) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau; and the kingdom SHALL BE the LORD'S.



The called out; I AM the resurrection, will judge the whole world, the mount of Esau, after the resurrection of the dead.

Isaiah 26:9 ...for when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

Hebrews 11:20 By faith Issac blessed Jacob and Esau CONCERNING THINGS TO COME.

Genesis 27:40 And by thy (Esau's) sword (not God's sword; the word) shalt thy live (and DIE, and at the resurrection of the dead thou shall ) SERVE THY BROTHER; and it shall COME TO PASS (when God's words shall be fulfilled) that thou (also) SHALT HAVE the dominion (the kingdom of God, Christ in you), that thou (through judgement) shall BREAK HIS YOKE from off your neck.

Psalms 22:All the ends of the earth shall REMEMBER ( Luke 16:25 ...Remember) and turn unto the LORD: (when his judgements are in the earth)

V 19-31

There are many emphasis on these verses:

1st Jesus is talking to covetous Pharisees. Jesus already knows their hearts. We have modern Pharisees today.

2nd A beggar in v20 & 21 is desiring to be fed, I think by using the word beggar and sores and crumbs, and dogs licking his sores means this person is in dire needs of help from a rich man whom he knew since the beggar was laid at his gate. This could apply to all kinds of good deeds work for God's glory today.

3rd Abraham's bosom must be a better place VS hell. This emphasizes there is indeed hell. It must be a true story and not a parable from Jesus Christ. Both person died-one comforted and the other tormented. Scary for this reality. We really need to examine ourselves.

4th v26 it appears you can see people in hell and from hell you can see people from Abraham's bosom. It is a great gulf fixed that you cannot just pass one place to the the other place. Shameful to see all people in hell at this point. I cannot bear to think how much I would cry to see our love one's in hell.

5th v27-28 talks about sending someone back to warned his 5 brothers about the reality of the tormented place where the rich man is experiencing. You cannot do that as well. One chance in life and we had 2,000 years of grace period to trust, have faith and believed in Jesus Christ alone.

6th So his brothers must be existing during Moses. We are here 2022 and we had plenty of warning from Paul who told us how to be saved. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

7th v30 You cannot cross from death back to life again. You only have one chance in life and when you die, you die pecker head. Everlasting torment is real.

8th last verse tells me you have someone like Moses sent by God, the five brothers have a chance to listen and if they don't, even if someone comes back to warned them from torment place they still will not change. We see more people today who are just not listening. Very sad. We have plenty of warnings. We pray!

Giannis,

Part 3

1 Peter 4:6 I think it would be hard to verify Peter is talking about the gospel being preached to dead people, it may mean those who are spiritually dead or ones that heard the gospel that has died and was dead when he said this, or an answer not yet reviled.

A general definition of a parable is a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels. Luke 15:3, 15:8, 15:11, and 16:1 are parables, and they are introduced in a similar form to Luke 16:19. In this both the rich man and Lazarus are depicted as having bodies, Lazarus a finger, the rich man a tongue after death, but scripture says new bodies are not given until the resurrection.

The rich man and Lazarus both were fully aware of their surroundings, scripture tells us there is no knowledge in death. My understanding of the lesson of Jesus is clear. Our current lives dictate our eternal destiny, which is unalterable after death, and the only way for this to not be a parable is for the soul to be immortal which comes from Greek philosophy and was advanced by Augustine in the church. My understanding is scripture does not support that.

Sorry, it took a while to get back to you, and forgive me if I repeated anything I'm an old man.

God bless,

RLW

John 12 and Predestination

This section goes from they did not believe (as seen in John 6:64; 8:46 and others) to verse 39 of this chapter which states that they COULD not believe as prophesied in Isaiah 53:1.

Verse 42 serves as a harsh reminder that we can have belief in Christ but we also must CONFESS with our mouths ( Romans 10:9-10) in order to have saving faith. We are reminded here of Luke 16:15 which states that which is honorable among men is an abomination to God.

Here; it was praise of men that was the cause; and being thrown out of the synagogue; not even direct physical persecution.

Verse 48 reminds us of the conviction of the Spirit as mentioned in John 16:8; a few chapters later. Clearly; the whole Godhead works as a unit in tandem in ways mysterious to man.

Verse 40 goes on further to state from Isaiah about God Himself blinding men. Some other verses on that include 2 Thessalonians 2:11 where God Himself sends strong delusion so that they will believe the lie because of the previous verse where they did not LOVE the truth. Also we have Isaiah 66:4 where it says that God will choose their delusions.

All sin stems from self justification; and self love that cannot accept the true state of our souls as fallen man because of Adam and his progeny that makes up natural man. Naked we come into this world and naked we shall go ( Job 1:21); also see Ecclesiastes 5:15. We cannot love anything above God; Jesus uses the word HATE for anything else ( Luke 14:25-26). We see the general sentiment in verse 25 of this chapter. Clearly; Christ Himself showed love in the previous chapter for Lazarus; Mary and Martha as well as John when He said "Behold your mother" to John at the cross so that he could take care of her. ( John 19:26-27).

There were times when they sought Him out when He stated the more important principle that those who followed Him were brothers; sisters; etc. ( Luke 8:21).

The blueprint for being a child of God or not is in John 12.

Giannis:

It takes all the books of the PROPHETS to understand the PARABLE ( Matthew 13:34) of the rich man and Lazarus.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will DO NOTHING, but he REVEALETH his secret unto his servants the PROPHETS.

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, if they HEAR NOT Mosses and the PROPHETS, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

No where in Moses and the prophets does it prophesy that anyone goes to heaven or hell. It prophesies that there will be a Kingdom of God.

The books of the prophets, prophesies, that the elect will BE BROUGHT through the fire; not avoid it.

It prophesies that only a third will be brought through the fire in this age; the others will go to the grave and wait for the resurrection to the next age.

Revelation is a second witness to the prophecies.

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two thirds shall be cut off and die, and a THIRD shall be left therein ( Luke 17:34-35).

Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the THIRD PART through the FIRE ..

Ezekiel 5:2 Thou shall burn with fire a THIRD part ..

Ezekiel 5:3 ..take THEREOF a few in number ..

Ezekiel 5:4 ...take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire, for THEREOF shall a fire COME FORTH into all the house of Israel.

Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a FLAME ....

Luke 16:24 ....for I am tormented in this FLAME.

Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the judgement written, this HONOUR hath all his Saints.

Obadiah 1:21 And Saviours (those that have obtained the next age, the IMAGE OF CHRIST) shall come on mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the Kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

Zechariah 12:8 And in that day ( Revelation 20:9) shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David, and the house of David shall be as (the image of) GOD, and the angel of the LORD before them.

2nd Corinthians 5:8 [ absent from the body is to be present with the Lord]

1st Thessalonians 5:10

1st Thessalonians 4:13-18

1st Corinthians 15th chapter

Read also about thief on the cross Luke 23: 39-43

Lazarus & the rich man Luke 16: 20-31

Gary Myers,

We sleep in death until we are resurrected.

If I may give my understanding.

Luke 16:19-31 First, we must understand this is a parable, and the parables Jesus told he had to explain for his disciples to understand and he did not explain this one. We cannot take this passage as a literal description.

In the context of Luke 16, Jesus is talking to Pharisees and scribes about stewardship, love of riches, adultery and no servant can serve two masters. The Pharisees were covetous, they flaunted their wealth and the seat of authority they had. Is this parable describing a holding place where the redeemed can live in peace but can look and even talk across a vast chasm with the sufferings of the sinners in torment?

The Babylonian Talmud speaks of "Abraham's Bosom" as the place that righteous Jews went after they died. The Jewish people of the time of Jesus had been influenced by Babylonian and Hellenistic Greek cultures, and that influence is still today.

Jesus was probably using a common image from that culture to create a picture that they could relate to their final destination. This parable also does not fit all of the scripture if we receive our reward as soon as we die, as said, we go to heaven or hell.

Many scriptures tell us when we will receive our reward and it is not when we die. Here are just a few and they all agree it is at the second coming of Jesus Christ. Matthew 16:27 1 Corinthians 1:7-8 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 1 Thessalonians 2:19 Revelation 22:12

John wrote this a while after Jesus ascended, he said Jesus was in heaven, "Son of man which is in heaven", John 3:13. Peter said David is dead and buried and his sepulcher is with us unto this day, and he has not ascended to heaven. Acts 2:29-34

The day of redemption, Eph. 4:30 1 Cor. 15:52 1 Thess.4:16 (not descend) and many more.

God bless,

RLW

Hi Giannis,

I believe those were literal flames but not the flames of Hell. This was Hades. There is no one in Hell yet. I do believe that there will be a future resurrection of the dead. In fact, there will be two, one for the New Testament saints that Jesus comes for at the time of the rapture, and then a future resurrection after the 1,000 year reign of Christ for all those who rejected Christ, and they will be cast into the lake of fire (Hell).

As far as resurrection from the dead goes, what would be your understanding of Matthew 26:52-53? I understand those to be Old Testament saints who were resurrected shortly after Jesus' resurrection. These would have been all the saints who were in Abraham's Bosom. I believe that not only were they were resurrected, but they were also seen by many in Jerusalem.

But as far as the presentation of the rich man and Lazarus given to us in Luke 16:19-31, the theme that I see all the way through is that Jesus is talking about the contrasts between this earthly life and the spirit realm, earthly life and the Kingdom of God. There is no greater contrast than in Verses 19 through 31, the presentation of the rich man and Lazarus. I call it a presentation because it is not a parable as some bibles call it. This is the story of true people. And these two people are opposites. They are in contrast to each other as far as people in their conditions in their earthly life, contrast in their death, and then after life throughout eternity is another contrast.

Blessings to you also!

Gary,

I don't believe there is any place in scripture that would indicate that our loved ones who have passed away can see us or feel our love for them. I do however think that those who have passed away can remember their past life on earth. We see this in the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31. The rich man was tormented in this flame which tells us that he was not saved and that he still had a sense of feel because he asked for Abraham to cool his tongue. He also remembered his brothers on earth who were not saved because he asked that someone would be sent to testify to his brothers.

I find that story to be quite interesting. Here's this rich man being tormented in these flames, and he doesn't ask Abraham to get him out, but that he would just cool the tip of his tongue. Either he didn't want out because he didn't want anything to do with Jesus, or he knew that it was impossible for him to be saved after he had died in a state of rejection.

Dangers of lukewarm church continued

In the parable of the talents in Matthew 25; we see the servant who hid his talent ended up losing what he had or thought he had and ending up in outer darkness; or likely hell. The same parable in Luke 19 ends in losing his reward; but possibly still making it into the Kingdom; unlike the enemies to be killed before Him who didn't want Him to rule ( Luke 19:27). There are different interpretations here; with the end in particular a reference to national Israel who would ultimately reject and crucify Christ and in the end times be destroyed either by Antichrist Himself or at Christ's return with the rest of wicked mankind.

We see here in both instances someone who is essentially a coward; and in some sense not understanding how the Spirit of the Lord works; but fearing the consequences of wrong actions. This brings to mind in the Matthew parable the warning in Revelation 21:8. My own interpretation here may be off; and I will be open to correction. It seems like the opposite of those who are doing all these things in Christ's name and He says "I never knew you" ( Matt. 25:12). Gifts and heavenly treasure are to be used for the Master's service; as He states elsewhere if you cannot be trusted with earthly riches then how can we with heavenly treasure ( Luke 16:11). Of course this includes money; but goes on to reflect all of our God given potential and unique traits as to how God made us and spiritual giftings.

There is; especially today; a variety of ways those who are professing believers can fellowship; and plenty who are spiritually bankrupt either playing the part as a tare; or seriously compromised by living as Lot did in Sodom. Note that God still stated that he was vexed with the evil ( 2 Peter 2:8). But he made a poor choice by settling in there; with the world and it cost him most of his family; and all his possessions. He would escape as through the fire; but lose any real reward ( 1 Cor. 3:15).

Luke 16:19-26. The only passage that Jesus Himself talks about where a person goes after he dies. There is Heaven and Hell. I pray all will be saved. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10.

Luke 23:43

Acts 1:25; John 17:12 Judas Iscariot is the son of perdition. He went to his own place. Revelation 17:8

Isaiah 5:14

Romans 16:25-27

John 3:16 I pray many will be saved. Keep the Faith, trust only and believe in the blood of Jesus Christ. Nobody can save themselves. We give glory to God for He gave us a free gift, a gift of Grace, the grace of God that is available to all.

Hope this helps.

2 Corinthians 8:12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not. Luke 16:20

As we know some are born blind, crippled, deaf, some never talk. This don't say its ok to draw a check and complain about conditions. Most anyone can find a way to do good and let our light shine.

A young man (lived homeless on the streets) who's dad was worth millions, got in contact with his son (a few yrs before he died) offered him his half if he would come home and do right - the young man refused.

The true gift of Bible prophecy

When we see the prophecy of Agabus in Acts 11; we see evidence of a Word given by an unknown saint to the church as to events soon to come. An individual word of knowledge came to Paul as to what would happen when he went to Jerusalem in Acts 21. These two examples show that most prophecy has unpleasant ramifications whether it if for a nation; individual or group of people. Comparison with today's prosperity gospel type of messages there is little or no scriptural precedence for "declared" blessings of financial success. The irony is that tends to eliminate the TRUE messages of God's promotion of certain individuals for unique ministries and great works for the Kingdom of God. When the successful saint is seen to have promotion; wealth and privileges in this world the verse about what is "highly exalted among men is an abomination to God" ( Luke 16:15).

Try telling Christ who had "no place to lay His head" ( Luke 9:58); or the disciples who said they had given up all things to follow Him ( Luke 18:28); or Christ telling others that it was harder for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven than a camel to go through the eye of a needle ( Matthew 19:23).

Another part of the problem is that people don't trust that God works good through all things for those who love God ( Romans 8:28). This could signify personal trials; or those affecting the nations of the world (war; famine; pestilence); and even the great multitude of the Tribulation are the fruit of the crucible God has placed to test all those who dwell on the earth ( Rev. 3:10).

I believe that any TRULY Born Again individual can do great things; and has time perhaps to do even greater things than Jesus in some sense ( John 14:12-14). This could only refer to the same Holy Spirit working quantitatively in a lifetime more than Jesus had time to do in 3.5 years of ministry, and primarily sign and wonder miracles were meant for the Apostles.

Hello everyone, here we go again. smiley sign. God's kingdom is more complicated than not following God's Word. And in the text of the law it says that one should not kill, but in the present state and everything that belongs to the Lord. He will forgive all those who ask Him. So why does man put himself above other people. It's like Herske sick, everything bad is in it.

Also remember by all means what a predicament you put a human being in by recognizing that a fetus that has not yet been breathed into its soul can be a life. For a man who sees it, it is a sin! But if it is talk of a man's sperm not going to the ground. Then all illegitimacy, ugliness, abuse and control over us comes instead. This is not in the law. That is why you are now exposing women to abuse.

Because here we are talking about those cases in a married state.

I understand it to mean that all people, unmarried or married, have a life and an Underlife. The abdomen demands its share and lucky is the one who is frigid and lucky is the one who has a partner. Not everyone has that, and then we have those who are really sick.

Then it's a shame. For the man who does not see it, it cannot be sin.

When we talk about order, we must be careful so that we do not suddenly live in a double standard. Some words came to me and we may well ask ourselves how our dear Paul can say the exact opposite of what Jesus says, follow me in Luke 16:18 and Pauls word 1 Corintihans 7:10-11. which then creates great confusion about the question of adultery which can also then be defined within this question. Paul's words arrange everything to be the woman's fault.

Jesus doesn't do that! Humans have their own responsibilities and follow up, don't let yourself be dictated by a law that applies to taking life. No healthy person goes to kill, think about it dear friends. God bless you all, i love you in Christ. Let us all be living Jesus saved and not living double moral people who find a way to destroy a human being who is

LaNette M. Tolliver

Please read : John 11:1-53,

Luke 16:19-31, someone I believe it was "Chris" in previous discussion multiple months ago, pointed out most Parables, if not all were without name, but this one, perhaps being about Lazarus.

John 12:1-18,

The sisters have much also mentioned it appears : Luke 10:38-42,

Matthew 27:56,61, Matthew 28:1, Mark 15:40,47, Mark 16:1,9, Luke 8:2, Luke 24:10, John 19:25, John 20:1-18,

Possibly even: Romans 16:6,

Hopefully these are helpful

Brother Steve;

The word of God is about the KINGDOM OF GOD, not heaven or hell.

Acts 28:22 And when they had appointed him (PAUL, who penned a great deal of the New Testament) a day, there came many unto him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified THE KINGDOM OF GOD, persuading them of Jesus, both out of the LAW OF MOSES, and out or the PROPHETS, morning till evening.

Acts 28:30 And Paul dwelt two whole years.

Luke 16:31 And he said unto them, If they hear not MOSES and the PROPHETS, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Luke 24:45 Then he opened their understanding, (the Holy Ghost is doing the same thing TODAY) that they might understand the SCRIPTURES (Mosses and the PROPHETS) the writings of the new testament DID NOT EXIST.

Christ came to FULFILL the LAW and THE PROPHETS, it's of great necessity to understand MOSSES and those PROPHETS, to understand the KINGDOM OF GOD.

God Bless YOU.

Some teach that based on interpretation of; Isaiah 42:7, 1Peter 3:18-19, Ecclesiastes 4:14-16, Psalms 142:7, Isaiah 53:7-12, Revelation 1:17-18, Matthew 12:38-45, Luke 11:29-32, Ephesians 4:8-10, Psalms 86:13, Acts 2:27,31, Psalms 16:10, but none of these are clearly stated nor defined so. Jonah 2:2,

Luke 16:22-31,

I guess my question is why?

Jesus has all authority: Luke 12:5, Luke 9:1, Mark 1:27, 1Corinthians 15:24, Matthew 28:18, Job 26:6, Psalms 139, Revelation 1:18,

Revelation 20, 2Peter 2:4,

Let's not divide over these issues, James 3:6,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

Lynne,

Another comment : Notice, Jesus was speaking to people who called themselves son's of Abraham, putting themselves as heirs to salvation. Genesis 22:18, Luke 16:14, in Luke 16:24-25, then Luke 16:27-31, there's many things Jesus is saying here. He's pointing out Salvation isn't sealed in birthright.

Nor those who think because they should be allowed in but live cruelly towards others: Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7,

He's also pointing to his own resurrection. Luke 16:31, & prophecying their denial of him even after that prophecy is fulfilled.

Notice also: John 3:12, Isaiah 55:9,

Hopefully these are also helpful

Luke 16:19-31 tells us about the rich man who died and went to hell. In verse 23, it says he was in "hell." The rich man could see Abraham and Lazarus "afar off" and there was a great gulf between them. He asked for Lazarus to bring water to him and Abraham told him it w

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.



2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

1 Corinthians 7

(Is a good chapter to understand the Lord's views on marriage and divorce.)

Comment: Christian marriages are not the same as marriages between unbelievers. (the world system). That's why we enter into a covenant of marriage soberly.

In Jewish culture the couple are betrothed for one year before the marriage. It's time to get to know one another. The bride-to-be would cook dinners for her betrothed and the family.

Commentaries:

Wesley's Notes for Matthew 5:31

Let him give her a writing of divorce - Which the scribes and Pharisees allowed men to do on any trifling occasion. # Deut 24:1; Matt 19:7; Mark 10:2; Luke 16:18.

People's Bible Notes for Matthew

Mt 5:31,32 Whosoever shall put away his wife. The divorce laws were very lax among the Jews. A man could put away his wife "for any cause" ( Matthew 19:8). Moses directed a legal letter of divorcement ( Deuteronomy 24:1).

Christ positively forbids divorce except for unchastity. Marriage is a divine institution, and the obligation is for life.

Mt 19:3-9

Romans 7:1-3;

1 Corinthians 7:10-17

Luke 16:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.

Psalms 86:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Shew me a token for good; that they which hate me may see it, and be ashamed: because thou, LORD, hast holpen me, and comforted me.

Titus 2:8 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

Jeremiah 14:4 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Because the ground is chapt, for there was no rain in the earth, the plowmen were ashamed, they covered their heads.

Psalms 34:5 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed.

Psalms 74:21 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

O let not the oppressed return ashamed: let the poor and needy praise thy name.

Psalms 25:2 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

O my God, I trust in thee: let me not be ashamed, let not mine enemies triumph over me.

1 Peter 4:16 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Romans 6:21 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

Isaiah 45:16 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.

Hosea 10:6 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

It shall be also carried unto Assyria for a present to king Jareb: Ephraim shall receive shame, and Israel shall be ashamed of his own counsel.

LUKE 16:31

Luke 16:31 And if they hear not Mosses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rose from the dead.

Daniel 7:14 And there was GIVEN HIM dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that ALL PEOPLE, nations, and language, shall serve him: his dominion is an everlasting, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, SHALL BE GIVEN to the people of the saints of the most high, and ALL dominions shall serve and obey him.

Amos 3:7 Surly the Lord God will do nothing but he revealeth HIS SECRETS unto his servants the prophets.

If there are two groups of people one going to heaven and one going to hell, God didn't reveal this to to Daniel.

God Bless YOU!

I have to admit I have never read the Quran; therefore, I cannot speak on it. However, as a Child of God, I've never been led to read it or follow anyone but JESUS. God wrote the living word of the BIBLE and I have read it, somewhat studied it, and hopefully live to God's pleasing. With that said right there, and as a Christian, you drive a moot point for a Christian; for I cannot serve two Gods/masters:

Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

The BIBLE is the Living Word of God and is ONE Master/Holy Trinity. I'm sorry, but Muhammad/man doesn't decide who is "glorified" and get to write his own bible. From what little I have learned about Muhammad, he took similar teachings of God/Jews and manipulated them for his own following but claimed God; hence the conversation, division, and another book called the Quran.

This is why there's only ONE GOD and ONE BIBLE --anything outside of this is deception or false. Sometimes it's so simple, but leave it to man to complicate/manipulate.

I pray that you will ask Jesus to reveal Himself to you and His truth, not Muhammad's.

Besides that, and here's the common sense of God's simplicity; where is Muhammad's name in God's book? Link

On top of that you call him a "prophet," but yet God has no "Muhammad" in His book --that speaks volumes to me. Case closed. I pray it will you too.

Truth Matters

Some believe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His spirit was in hell.Scripture doesn't support that position when it is taken in context and we look at the meaning of the word "hell." In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all SOULS of the dead went to await resurrection.

In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31).The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called PARADISE by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated HELL here is not the Greek word HADES but is the Greek word TARTARUS meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the "gulf" that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom Luke 16:26

Wherefore He saith, When JESUS ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also DESCENDED first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things. Ephesians 4:8-10

Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory!

Some believe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His spirit was in hell.Scripture doesn't support that position when it is taken in context and we look at the meaning of the word "hell." In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all SOULS of the dead went to await resurrection.

In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called PARADISE by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated HELL here is not the Greek word HADES but is the Greek word TARTARUS meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the GULF that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).

Wherefore He saith, When JESUS ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also DESCENDED first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things. Ephesians 4:8-10)

Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory!

Some believe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His spirit was in hell.Scripture doesn't support that position when it is taken in context and we look at the meaning of the word "hell." In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all SOULS of the dead went to await resurrection.

In the KJV, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated "HELL" here is not the Greek word "HADES" but is the Greek word "TARTARUS" meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the "gulf" that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).

Wherefore He saith, When JESUS ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things" ( Ephesians 4:8-10). Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory

Dear Frances, after death the soul is separated from the dead body and goes either with or away from the Lord. In the parable or story of the rich man and Lazarus ( Luke 16:19-31) both souls were recognisable by both persons. So the soul has the same appearance as the physical body. During rapture the soul will be united again with the ressurected body but the bodies of people saved will be in a different form, they will be still bodies but spiritual ones, like Jesus Christ's glorified body.( 1 Corinthians 15:42-54). GBU

Since I ran out of space I thought I'd add one more comment.

The #1 criticism often received is someone claims I don't believe in grace or that I believe we're saved by effort. That is a strawman argument and is untrue. The Bible says Christ followers will be saved by grace, not by works. That is not what is being contested.

Just because we will be saved by grace doesn't mean we should stop obeying Christ! It doesn't mean we should stop following Christ! The fruit of faith is works. A Christian is a Christ follower and if someone doesn't follow Christ they by definition are not even a Christian. And if not a Christian, that person should not expect the benefits of salvation. Matthew 7:21. Many will feel very entitled but will be shocked they aren't welcomed. This is the wake up call many need right now. Get right with the Lord today before its too late!

A Christ follower is action. Those who aren't actively following Christ are may not be Christ followers. And just because we're imperfect and fall down from time to time doesn't mean we're not Christians. This is very different from someone turning their backs on Jesus and following the pleasures of the world (satan). But Jesus said He would go after the lost sheep, not lost wolves! Many people assume they're followers because a pastor told them so, but are instead lost wolves expecting all the benefits of salvation for doing nothing. God bless.

People have freewill:

Psalms 25:12

Joshua 24:15 "choose you this day whom ye will serve"

Psalm 119:30

Luke 16:13

Proverbs 3:31

Fear God:

Joshua 24:14

Psalms 25:12

Proverbs 1:29

Seek God:

Psalms 63:1

All will be judged:

2 Corinthians 5:10

Romans 2:16

John 12:48

Hebrews 9:27

Revelation 20:12

Here are some scriptures to help you with deeper understanding I hope:

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, 1Corinthians 15:41-58, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Psalms 97:2, Psalms 104:3, Joel 2:1-15, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Matthew 26:62-68, Mark 14:60-65, Revelation 1:7, 2Thessalonians 1:4-12, 2Thessalonians 2:1-17, Revelation 6:9-17, Revelation 7, Revelation 8, note Revelation 8:6 continues on through Revelation 9, & Revelation 10, Revelation 10:6-7, Revelation 14, note Revelation 14:12-20,

Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:5, Revelation 20:12-15, Revelation 20, in context &

Revelation 1:5, Colossians 1:18,

Hebrews 6:1-3, Hebrews 11, Revelation 11:15-19, Acts 24:15, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 16:19-31

Hope these are helpful