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Below are scriptures everyone should read and pray deeply for wisdom and understanding for. Beware of anyone trying to attack, disrespect, or demean Jesus or the name of Jesus. Jesus loves you and died for you. Scripture indicates that Jesus is God. Jesus is not God the father, but God the son. The 3 are all united as 1. There aren't 3 separate gods, there is 1 God with 3 parts as 1 John 5:7 says. We could debunk every one of the deniers' disengenuous arguments, but that would take a lot of space and most are closed off anyway. The same info is also online in countless websites. Satan loves going after any weakness he can find and people keep falling for the same tricks. Christians should simply pray about this and ask the holy spirit to either confirm or convict them on what the truth is. God bless...

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

More Proof that Jesus is part of the Godhead and trinity:

"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

Some like to use the same old tired argument to attack Jesus and try to discredit Him, which is: Jesus never claimed He was God.

It's a logical flaw to assume something based on something not being recorded. The Bible never said it's the Bible, either. The word Bible isn't in the Bible, so should we assume it isn't a Bible? You probably haven't ever published a book saying that you're a human being, so based on this logic we can assume you aren't one?

Just because there isn't a direct quote from someone doesn't invalidate a concept from the Bible. For example, the Bible didn't record Jesus ever saying we shouldn't "shoot someone." Does that mean it's ok? The Bible also didn't record Jesus saying the specific words that we shouldn't "have an affair." Does that mean it's ok, then?

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

1 John 2:22-24

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."

There's so much scriptural proof we run out of space to post them all. Deniers will still deny, just like it says in 1 John 2:22-24. Satan is real and is great at deceiving. Pray hard about learning the truth. The truth will set you free. John 8:32.

John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus's birth is prophesied and He is called Immanuel which means "God with us." Matthew 1:23-25 -fulfillment of that.

Read all of the scriptures and ignore the cultists who stray from God's Word or distort scripture. Even children can understand what these verses mean so I think some adults are just wanting to reinforce what they already want to believe, because it's convenient for other reasons. Is a Christian a real Christ follower if he doesn't believe in the divinity of Christ? That is something we should pray deeply and study deeply about.

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

This sounds like an intellectually disingenuous question. Even children understand the concept of the Godhead or trinity- it's straight from God's word. If you don't understand it, that's fine, have you tried praying for wisdom and understanding. It's possible some of these comments are games a person is playing to try to pull some away from the truth to his cult-like beliefs not from the Bible. That's like doing the work of the devil. Here's some good reading material for the cultists.

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

Verses showing God speaking to Jesus and one of the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove for John the Baptist to witness:

Matthew 3:17

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Luke 9:35

And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Mark 1:11

And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Mark 9:7

And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Luke 3:22

And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, AND a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Matthew 17:5

While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Following are verses clearly of the Godhead speaking to each other:

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, "God with us."

You may want to note these verses inside your Bible cover.

Bless your patience, Mishael

Trinity is not in the Bible. The Bible says Godhead.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

Jesus came to bring to each born again believer; the baptism and the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit.

[ Genesis 1:2, John 3:6, Acts 2:1-3, John 16: 7-15]

To REFUSE this knowledge, is to reject the Son of God, and his provision.

PS. I have these scriptures noted on the inside cover of my Bible.

Hi Dense.

You are welcome.

God bless.

Thank you! This explains a question I have had for a long time!

Hi Denise.

I'm going to try to answer your question and it might take 2 pages. This has the virgn birth tucked away here and the Lord working is shown in Jeremiah 22. We will come to it Later.

Jesus was to be of the HOUSE "and" LINEAGE of David. "This is not synonymous " Jesus was to be of the seed of the woman. Hear you have the LINEAGE. Which goes through Nathan.

I believe Sacha was right. The account in Luke is Mary's Genealogy. focusing on the humanity he starts with Joseph ends with Adam.

Mathew beiing a Jew focus on the Legal rights starting with Abraham and ends with Christ. Here you have the House of David going through Solomon.

But notice the twist in Jeremiah, "The last of the descendants of Solomon on the throne before they went into captivity.

" Jeremiah 22:30. Thus saith the LORD, WRITE YE THIS MAN CHILDLESS, a man that shall not prosper in his days: FOR NO MAN OF HIS SEED SHALL PROSPER, SITTING UPON THE THRONE OF DAVID, and ruling any more in Judah. "A blood curse"

That's why the lineage is through Mary and the Legal rights is through Joseph by Marriage. Solomons lineage was cut off at Jeconiah. And that's why Jesus is called the seed of "The woman ".

Here I believe we have The House and The lineage of David.

So we have Joseph of the House and lineage of David but the right to the throne by lineage was cut off at Jeconiah.

However Jesus is not of the lineage of Joseph, He was of the seed of the woman by the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 1:18.

Matthew 1:20.

I hope that helps.

God bless.

John I welcome everyone with comments, questions and conversation. We can talk in here. So keep coming back. We are all Gods family. We're all learning to be more like JESUS.

I had to learn that. Fruits of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said of John the Baptist, a greater man had never been before. Sadly, in prison John started to doubt (Shall we look for another? ). Jesus replied.

We're to put on Jesus. More Him and less Us. And I say that with great kindness in my heart.

For me, you, and everyone else.

Hi English Sacha Absolutely correct, keep something in mind the seed of the woman was put there by God, that's why Jesus Christ had sinless blood, Leviticus 17:11 the life of the flesh is in the blood. Woman carries eggs not seed, God created seed in Mary. The human side was Mary and correct He was Judean which fulfilled all prophecy. In Hebrews 2:14 For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood He Jesus also himself likewise took part of the same. His blood which was sinless His flesh Human the perfect sacrifice. Its really neat.

Hi Dianne , I'm sure you already know that Christ is the promised : seed of the woman , from Genesis and that a person was and still is Jewish if they are born of a Jewish mother .

Dianne: Thank you for your response. Much appreciated. I know that I can not challenge your faith. The reason I wrote what I did is to assure you and others that I have no hidden agenda. I think it is natural for people to wonder why I place comments here. As I read Matthew, I have questions--not doubt. And I want to know what people think. And you have done that. I am not here to argue or be contentious. And writing that, I don't mean to suggest that you are being argumentative or contentious. You are not.

Sacha,

You have brought truth to the table several times. May all listen and learn.

Matthew 1:16 Jesus' lineage is connected to Jacob which eventually relates Jesus to Solomon rather than Nathan. One conventional explanation for these differences, from as early as John of Damascus, is that Nathan is the ancestor of the Virgin Mary, while Solomon is the ancestor of Mary's husband Joseph.

Keep me in your heart.

English Sasha My understanding is Mathew is the royal lineage look up how many men are mentioned in the lineage that were kings, look at how many times Jesus christ who is the King of Kings talks about Kingdom of Heaven or Kingdom of God more than any other Gospel, In the gospel of luke is given the flesh side or as a man the perfect man in this Gospel the term son of man is used the most. This is my understanding, there's more to it.

John I don't view this an challenging my faith or belief, but from all your replies you appear to doubt what God says in His word, my question to you is what do you really believe. In the epistle of 2 Timothy 3:16 it says all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction for instruction in righteousness. The words by inspiration of God in the greek is the word theopneustos which means God breathed think about that. Another example in the Gospel of Luke 1:3 the words perfect understanding [ perfect is akribos which is accurately and understanding is parakolou which means to follow along side of] so he was Given perfect knowledge to follow and write. Ties right into 2 Peter 1:20+21 and 2 Timothy 3:16. i'll go with Gods Word. God Bless

John This is where we see things differently I believe the Word of God is true and God Told the men to write what He wanted the way He wanted it, 2 Peter 1:20+21. I'll stay with the word.

John look up the word to know or knew his wife is to bare a child, Genesis 4:17, Genesis 4:25, it is an eastern saying, in what I explained there are two genealogies shown in the Gospels for a reason Mathew and Luke. I never stated that joseph genetically had anything to do with Jesus Christ conception that was a Miracle. Mathew says the book of the generation of Jesus Christ why does it say generation in Luke 3:23 it starts out in parenthesis, being [as was supposed] the son of joseph he was not He was the Son of God.

I believe that Mary was descended from king David through his son Nathan and that the genealogy in Luke is Mary's .

Respectfully, I don't think you answered Denise's question. I have no desire to challenge your faith. But the last line of the first chapter of Matthew is that Joseph did not "know" Mary until after she gave birth to Jesus. He is simply not the father of Jesus, not in any biological sense, and it would be erroneous to trace Jesus's descent through Joseph's lineage. Now if you want to go on faith because it is so written, please be my guest. Here's a thought: maybe Jesus's lineage doesn't really matter. Do you like the beatitudes in Chapter 4? well, maybe that's sufficient regardless of who spoke them.

Denise: Your question is a good one. The only logical answer is, this document--Matthew-- is a product of a patrilineal society, that is, descent is traced through the male line. Nothing then was known of DNA, and for the writer it would have been natural to trace Jesus's lineage through the male line and never think twice. Matthew, if he is the writer, is a product of his own time. And just as nothing was known of DNA, nothing was known of the basis of physical or mental disease back then. In fact we had to wait until the latter part of the 19th C for science to understand how diseases were transported by various vectors. At the time Matthew was written, we find Jesus and his disciples traveling about expelling demons because demons were thought to be the cause of all sorts of illnesses. The book Matthew is very much a product of its day.

Crossroman I'll finish with this the epistle or letter was written to the Church of God to which Jesus Christ gave the revelation Galatians 1:11+12 or information at to what was given through whom and all other details From Romans through Thessalonians written to Church of God born again believers. What he's discussing is the battle that is constant between the natural man 5 senses and the spiritual man we got when we were born again. He was born again when he was given the revelation because revelation is information you cannot know by your five senses 1 Corinthians 2:10-14 if I've discussed this before i apologise, don't know if things get through sometimes forgive me. God Bless

Crossroman Another item to consider if our only rule of faith and practice is Gods Word if I go to websites now I have a diverse amount of ideas as to what others thought it meant. Why can't I just stick to 2 Peter 1:21 and 2 Timothy 3:16 to see what God meant instead of what man thinks. Trust me in this what we're discussing there's more than one school of thought. God Bless

Crossroman That is impossible because it was written to the Church of God after he was born again and he was given the information to give to believers to explain the battle that goes on is between walking by the five senses and walking by the spirit.

Dianne it should be noted that in Romans 7 Paul's mind in conflict with his flesh is before he is converted. If you are inclined to think otherwise I would advise you to consider the opposite side of the position to the one you have taken, there is plenty of this to be found on the web.

Precious friend, Patrice. It is in ( John 1:1). Be Encouraged and Edified.

Hi Patrice look at gospel of John Chapter 1 verses 1-14.

Patrice.

John 1:1, 14 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Verse 14:. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1 my sister in Christ

I'm trying to find the verse and chapter where it states and the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the word became flesh. I need a chapter and verse in those exact words I can't locate it.