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Hi Rod;

I read what you wrote and questions have arisen from your thoughts, you stated the Old Testament was not destroyed based upon Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15, I think you should re=read those scriptures again and pray over them for meaning, also, if the Old Testament is not destroyed can you obey even one Old Testament law today? Knowing if you do, you are cursed as a Christians to obey all 613 laws from the Old Testament. Galatians 3:10 Then you said I should read Hebrews 9:11-14 stating the ordinances are no longer of value because of the blood of Christ, I do not think these verses are teaching what you are implying at all, as this is about the blood of Christ cleaning our conscience, not about him removing the Old Testament by his blood. You then went on to talk about the Ten Commandments in stone from Matthew 5:18 and then you quoted it again from Galatians 5:14, I will ask this question, do you know the difference between the old covenant and the Old Testament? By your thoughts it appears you think they are the same thing, otherwise why mention the Law of God, when I was talking about the Old Testament being destroyed? The Ten Commandments in stone is the old covenant, it is not a testament, please do not confuse them, they must be kept separate, as the old covenant was replaced with the new covenant, meaning the Ten Commandments in the heart. Hebrews 8:6-7 But the Old Testament was not replaced it was destroyed.

Matthew 5:17-18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Yes I agree completely, we cannot earn our way to God, hopefully I didn't imply that we can. what I was saying in my post was that in Matthew 5:17, Jesus fulfilled the law and prophets, and the ordinances (not the laws) were abolished on the cross, ie. circumcision, sin offerings etc. that were required, Hebrews 9:8-14 explains this

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

Galatians 3:10-14 "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."

James 2:10-11 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

I'm a great sinner and thank God that Jesus is a greater Saviour. GB

I've posted this previously,

In the Gospels, Jesus quotes the old testament many times and how in his coming the old testament is fulfilled,

in Colossians 2:14-15 Jesus is talking about blotting out the handwriting of ordinances, not the laws. Hebrews 9:11-14 explains why the ordinances are no longer necessary, because of the blood of Christ,

Rather he exemplifies the laws as in Matthew 5:18-45, 18-"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Galatians 5:14-23 "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." 22&23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith," "Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

In the Gospels, Jesus quotes the old testament many times and how in his coming the old testament is fulfilled,

In the two verses you quoted, as in Colossians 2:14-15 Jesus is talking about blotting out the handwriting of ordinances, not the laws. Hebrews 9:11-14 explains why the ordinances are no longer necessary, because of the blood of Christ,

Rather he exemplifies the laws as in Matthew 5:21-45, 18-"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Galatians 5:14-23 "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." 22&23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith," "Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

Someone who is afflicted we say today if someone is really happy that that are good spirt well think the opposite.

here is a example in the bible of someone talking about having a poor spirt

[ Psa 6:2-3 KJV] 2 Have mercy upon me, O LORD; for I [am] weak: O LORD, heal me; for my bones are vexed. 3 My soul is also sore vexed: but thou, O LORD, how long?

To keep the covenant and testimony in verse 12;is to remain faithful to the laws of the God of Israel and continue to reap the blessings of being His chosen people who were saved out of Egypt and to be given the Promised Land. Of course; no one can do this apart from the power of the Holy Spirit. Anyone, according to James 2:10 he who has broken one law has broken them all; and scripture also indicates that he who sets aside the least of these commandments will be least in the Kingdom of Heaven. ( Matthew 5:19). There are results therefore; to omission of teaching unpopular things; as well as commission of things forbidden. In either case; we cannot ignore what Christ taught for if we love Him; we will obey Him. ( 1 John 2:3).

When we know the lawgiver; grace sets us free. We have an indication of the literal and spiritual descendants ruling and reigning in Zion; whether on earth during the Millennium; or when the heavenly city comes to earth afterwards and all are in eternal bodies. The Old Testament saints such as David will rule and reign; and certainly the Apostles as well; as this group likely constitutes the 24 elders in Revelation 4:10. The Lord will surely restore the earth in fullness when He returns as v. 15 states. He who is trusted in earthly things can be assured authority over heavenly ( Luke 16:11); this and many other similar admonitions encourage us to trust that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him ( Hebrews 11:6).

Hi Rick,

I'd keep reading. Seek the truth and open yourself to learn who God really is and what He will reveal to you. Pray for wisdom and understanding. I wouldn't stop after one section and make conclusions before you take the entire context of the Bible into account. There are logical explanations for your questions.

For your food question if you continued reading you would have naturally found Acts 10. There is much more info in the New Testament about what law applies today, because there is moral law, civil law, and ceremonial law. The latter two were specific to Israelites. You would also read a verse like this: Matthew 5:17-20

Regarding your other questions you would eventually read verses like these:

1 John 5:7-8

John 1:1

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14

Matthew 1:23-25

Hebrews 1:8

Isaiah 44:6

John 1:18

Some OT prophesy of Jesus to come:

Isaiah 7:14

Psalms 72:9-10

Micah 5:2

Numbers 24:17

Genesis 22:18

God bless...

There is many one could quote these are but a few.

Matthew 5:3-15, Matthew 18:3-5, Matthew 22:37-40, Philippians 2:2-10, Galatians 5:16-26

Deuteronomy 22

The first verses of this chapter 1-12 are rules on taking care of a neighbor's animal; men and women's regulations for dressing; how to sow seeds; and ploughing.

The focus on verses 12-29 is related to relations between men and women; and the judgments to be rendered on certain behaviors. We see as in Matthew 5:31 the so called "exception clause" which is likely related to betrothal since that is what caused Joseph to contemplate divorcing the woman he was betrothed to in Matthew 1:19.

It is clear from this chapter that a married woman who was correctly assessed not to be a virgin at the inception of a marriage after being accused by her husband was to be put to death (v.21); and this sentence was to be done for a betrothed woman and the man having relations with her (v. 23-24).

When the betrothed woman was innocent because she protested at the actions of rape of the man; he was to be stoned; and she was innocent (v. 25-27).

In the case of a woman not betrothed; after relations occur a payment was to be made to the father of the woman and he was to marry her. He also could not "put her away all of his days". (v. 29). This same rule was to be for the woman innocent of the accusations of the new husband at the consummation of the marriage (v. 17-19). He could not divorce her. This would surely seem to indicate that when a marriage wasn't tangled with these accusations the same rule would apply; in other words; a marriage was for life. It is interesting that even with David and Solomon among others having hundreds of wives (and concubines); divorce is never mentioned even with multiple wives in many cases. These scriptures don't indicate a woman initiating fornication or being the accusers here; but both parties are involved in ramifications when vows are made.

The last verse relates to not having relations with a father's wife; clearly demonstrated as a death penalty in other scriptures. (v. 30).

Neville,

Matthew 5:3 says, "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."



The word "poor" PTOKOS, was first used by Plato to describe the beggars, not poor people, but worse than poor people, beggars!



Anybody in a position that has to beg to survive is a PTOKOS. And Plato began that. In the New Testament, that's what it means.



In Luke Chapter 16, Lazarus was a beggar. He was laying out near the trash cans waiting for the garbage so he could have something to eat.



The woman who put all the money she had into the treasury in the temple, she was considered a poor person but she was not a beggar. She had the means to give and to live even though every penny was spent.



So when we are talking about a beggar and we are talking about poor "in spirit," the Lord is saying that the number one principle, and please remember that He is presenting the principles of kingdom living for disciples, you and I.



The Jewish leaders and Jewish people are listening and they've been taught their whole life that you have to work the works of the law to be righteous. And your outward appearance of success signifies whether you are keeping the law or not.



So the first thing Jesus says is "blessed are the poor in spirit," the people that realize their poverty. Not just the poverty, but the depravity of their spirit, so they come to Him.

Remember when the man was in the temple saying "Lord, be merciful to me a Sinner" and he couldn't even lift his eyes up because he was so humbled before God?



Of course the Pharisee standing over there sees him and says Lord, I'm sure glad I am not like that poor sinner over there. So that is the difference between religion and relationship!



Jesus says that everything is going to depend upon your realization first of all, and everything else is built on this.

We can't go any further than this if we don't realize the depravity of our spiritual condition.

Hope this helps!

What is it to be poor in spirit?

People could demonstrate proof of God...

All Christians need to heed the bible when it comes to proving to an unbeliever of GOD/Jesus Christ existence in this universal.

Let this be your warning.. (It is not your problem, Jesus didn't do it so why should you step into those shoes) Stop trying to fill a void that is not possible to fill. Everyone is not GOD's children.

Jesus requires Faith to Do/Move/Be/Humble/Surrender,etc.

Here are bible verses to back that up.

Matthew 4: 2-4

And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

3And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God (Satan is asking for proof)

Matthew 5:16

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 9:27-29

crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us.

28And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.

29Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

Matthew 11:3-6

And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?

4Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:

5The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

6And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

So you see.. Jesus only needs you to do the job, that he asked all of us to do.

1. Follow the 10 Commandments

2. Believe in Jesus Christ

2. Have Faith

3. Do the work

Your Job to an unbeliever is only to tell them about Christ and be prepared to explain in detail why you believe.

All else is vanity.

Continued.

Hi GiGi.

As promised, I would like to bring attention to something I've heard say on this site that I believe we may have wrong. I include myself in this, However I do take the site serious and so do many others. I think we should consider this verse.

Matthew 18:20.

You see a governing of the Church in Matthew 18. And Christ is in the midst.

We're Identified with Christ!!

We're not baptized unto this site We're baptized unto Christ, We dont leave off from that, This union is not done by us, this is done by the Holyspirit, And that gathering is the Church! We have been gifted ministers of all sorts,, and pruned to bare fruit for the ministry. You don't take that off and on like a winter coat.

We are not a body of people called into something, as having location. we're a body of people called out of something. And that's the world. And we didn't do the gathering.

This site is not the Church we are, This site is the location where we gather. We don't diminish that for the sake of improper functioning.

The Lord set up hierarchy for its spiritual benefits, When we break it willingly or unknowingly we can see the unfunctional practices come to surface. This is why Paul gave pastoral epistles when he set up Churches. Everything in scripture applies in our lives. PERIOD. When we come on this site He's still Lord!! Today the Church is on this site! And will be tomorrow.

Matthew 5:13-16.

When we gather on this site we bring salt to it. and we function as written in scripture.

I will leave off there for now.

God bless.

Hi Rick; by your response you have led me to believe you think as Christians we should practice the Ten Commandments in stone, this of course would be bondage, as Christians are now commanded to obey the Ten Commandments in the heart according to Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-13 This old law of God had an expiry date according to the Lord Jesus who taught it would expire as soon as he fulfilled it. Matthew 5:18 The question should be asked, when did he fulfill it? The answer is then given in Luke 16:16 by the time of John the Baptist, as it would expire at that time. Today the Ten Commandments in stone is dead. Romans 7:4 and 7:6-7 We are now commanded to keep the new covenant which is the Ten Commandments written in the heart where there is no Sabbath or generational curses.

It was Jesus speaking, the moment actually starts in Matthew 4:23-25,

Matthew 5:1, may be Matthew referring to himself also when He said disciples.

Hope this helps

Hopefully these are helpful to you in the context of "works for the LORD"

James 2:14-26, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 5:14-16, Matthew 16:27,

Jesus's examples of miraculous "works" & compassion Matthew 11, Matthew 13,

Not:

Exodus 23:24, Matthew 7:20-23, Matthew 23,

Madison,

I believe the verses spoken by Jesus below confirms that masturbation is sinful - if not in conjunction with a spouse.

Matthew 5:28

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

Mark 7:21

"For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,"

God Bless.

Matthew 5:17-18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Luke 16:16-17 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it." "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail."

Colossians 2:13-15 "Blotting out the of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"

Wesley's Notes for Matthew 5:3

Commentary

5:3 Happy are the poor - In the following discourse there is, A sweet invitation to true holiness and happiness, ver. 3-12. # Matt 5:3-12. A persuasive to impart it to others, ver. 13 - 16. # Matt 5:13-16. A description of true Christian holiness, ver. 17; chap.vii,12, # Matt 5:17; Matt 7:12. (in which it is easy to observe, the latter part exactly answers the former.) The conclusion: giving a sure mark of the true way, warning against false prophets, exhorting to follow after holiness. The poor in spirit - They who are unfeignedly penitent, they who are truly convinced of sin; who see and feel the state they are in by nature, being deeply sensible of their sinfulness, guiltiness, helplessness. For theirs is the kingdom of heaven - The present inward kingdom: righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost, as well as the eternal kingdom, if they endure to the end. # Luke 6:20

Maria My understanding of this verse Is Blessed are the humble in your lifestyle because if your not humble

or meek you will never receive the things of the kingdom of heaven

Hello Maria,

I have been taught that the poor in spirit are those who humble themselves before God, acknowledging their own sinful creatureliness and God's perfection in all ways. One who is poor in spirit does not magnify himself of boast about himself, but instead, glorifies God and boast in what Christ as done in one's life.

What does the poor in spirit means?

Matthew 5, Jesus explains: Matthew 5:7,8,9,10,11,16,

Matthew 5:17-19,

Matthew 5:20-48,

Yes it is a difficult verse that should be taken like every other action of disobedience concerning the way we function as a Church. It seems the Lord made an exception here in Matthew 19:9.

I believe When they are Married they lay with each other and that constitute their Marriage, When one commit Adultery they break this constitution. But they may remain Married if chooses to. And I believe in the beginning as it is now they were meant to remain Married under all circumstances under the law of mercy. Same union Christ has with his Church.

If a spouse divorce the other where there's no fornication then perhaps that spouse should remain unmarried.

But say this person has grown up in his/her faith acknowledge their wrong doing after he/her remarries, Does he commit an act of disobedience again and repent and get a divorce? Are is that second marriage even valid. The Lord doesn't go into great detail. Probably because as the scripture say the Pharisees came to test him.

Also so do we factor in lusting with the eyes? Thats Adultery as well.

Matthew 5:27-28. I believe we are held on a higher standard than just the act. This is one I believe the Lord judges individually and only he has the wisdom to do so.

God bless.

Hello Jackie,

I noticed your prayer request and your question like you were looking for input from others. Assuming you are I'm happy to offer a few observations based on what you shared. I have had challenges with my own neighbors and it is really challenging to love thy neighbor and pray for them when they may seem so opposing.

Sometimes the most helpful response is not the one someone wants or expects. A few things you said makes me believe you are equally responsible for the problems with your neighbor and I will be happy to share that, assuming you want to hear it.

First, are you loving your neighbor and praying for them? You have asked for prayer and I have prayed for your situation, but have you genuinely prayed for your neighbor and how to be more loving as the Bible teaches? Have you prayed for their salvation? James 4:12, Luke 6:32, Matthew 5:44, Mark 12:31.

Next, there is nothing wrong with security cameras. They are an important deterrant to criminals.

You said you were able to see in their window and read a poster. Were you snooping and peeking through your neighbors windows at their private things? If so, that seems very wrong.

I believe you called your neighbors adversaries, but they're not supposed to be enemies. The Bible says satan is your real adversary: 1 Peter 5:8.

You said they kept a package, but did you ask for it back? Maybe they were out of town. Did the company reimburse or mail another? This seems pretty easy to resolve and is a common problem.

You said they are suspicious, but maybe they think you are suspicious? If I caught someone looking in my windows that definitely be hard to get over.

To rekindle the relationship perhaps show love and lead by example- the card idea is great.

This likely wasn't what you wanted to hear, but maybe it is the helpful. God bless...

Amen Bro Earl.

Those 3 verses are great, but - only if we believe them.

I believe all 3 verses, and I agree God's Commandments instruct and teach. For those that don't believe, and instruct others to ignore them - they will suffer the consequences per Matthew 5:19

God Bless

Brother Dan:

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL MEN, specially those that believe.

1 Timothy 4:11 These things command and teach.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach man so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

God Bless You.

We can agree to disagree. Please see John 14:21:

John 14:21: He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Also see Matthew 5:17-18:

Matthew 5:17-18

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Great works are done by those that taught us. Some of those same people display pagan Christmas trees. We are all doing the best we can and correcting ourselves as we learn and understand better. I do not believe that the belief in Jesus Christ means we no longer have to keep God's Statutes, Laws, and Commandments.

If it is a tall pedestal, it is because of these standards which are high but obtainable. Please see 1 John 5:1-3:

1 John 5:1-3

1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Hello... I believe things God made are not sinful to use in moderation. Jesus's first miracle was turning water into alcoholic wine. If it any use was sinful He would not have done this. So, it's ok in moderation. It's also like playing with fire for those with who struggle with limits and self control- they should not have any wine whatsoever. If something causes you to sin cut it off completely than risk a very bad outcome: Matthew 5:30.

Nearly everything can be abused. Almost any food or herb or vitamin when taken in excess will become toxic. Sugar or caffeine for example. Overeating is very bad on the body. Too much medicine is harmful and addictive, like painkillers. Our bodies are a holy temple and one could say are not even ours (on loan from God) so we are to respect it as such. People in this life struggle with temptations and hugely abuse their bodies, even church leaders and pastors. Similar to 1 Timothy 3:5 one might question if they can't take care of their God-given bodies how they can take care of others in the church.

God bless...