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Amen Brother Chris.

Philippians 2:13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Brother Deshawn, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, SAITH GOD, I WILL...

Is GOD a person? Do you know anything that can speak other than a person? Saith God, I will pour out MY SPIRIT ( John 4:24 God is SPIRIT); is not he saying that he will pour out HIMSELF?

1 Corinthians 2:16 KNOW YE NOT that ye are the temple of God, and that the SPIRIT OF GOD (God is Spirit) dwells in you....

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind (God's mind) be in you, which also was in Christ Jesus:

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Psalms 82:6 I (GOD SAITH) have said, ye are gods; and all of you are CHILDREN of the MOST HIGH.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I SAID ye age gods?

John 10:35 If HE called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (GOD POURED OUT HIMSELF ON YOU), and the scripture cannot be broken.

Your comment sounds like an attack on Christians who believe the Bible. Why do you post such a thing on a Bible website and what is your goal? To unite or divide?

Christians believe Jesus is God because the Bible clearly says He's God. Is that reason enough? John 1:1 flat out says it. So, so all the scriptures below that even children read and understand. It needs no creative interpreting, needs no progressive pastor to interpret, just literally what it says. Jesus being God doesn't mean He's God the Father, but God the Son. God became a man and died for you, do you believe Him?

Claiming that Christians who read the scriptures and believe are somehow just 'Americans' or 'Catholics' seems like a disingenuous attack on Christians. Labeling and dividing and lying is what I've seen done to make such anti-Christ arguments. Anyone who does this is on extremely dangerous ground. Anyone who tries to spread anti-Christ lies should be ashamed of themselves.

1 John 2:22-24

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

John 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Philippians 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Because the Elect One standeth before the Lord of Spirits, And His glory is for ever and ever, And His might unto all generations.

And the Elect One shall in those days sit on My throne, And His mouth shall pour forth all the secrets of wisdom and counsel: For the Lord of Spirits hath given (them) to Him and hath glorified Him.

He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall, And He shall be the light of the Gentiles, And the hope of those who are troubled of heart.

Open your eyes and lift up your hands if ye are able to recognize the Elect One. And the Lord of Spirits seated Him on the throne of His glory, And the spirit of righteousness was poured out upon Him, And the word of his mouth slays all the sinners, And all the unrighteous are destroyed from before his face.

Just to correct a little to this post. Jesus Christ was not just flesh and God's Spirit. We (humans) are three part beings consisting of a body, soul, and spirit. Christ also has a soul. Which is "who" He is. God is life and His breath is our spirit, Job 34:14-15, and how we can have relation to God. Being able to receive His Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, or the Spirit of God to indwell with our spirit after giving our lives to the Lord.

You are not the only one to not believe in the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost being ONE. Even though it is in Scripture. If that is your view.

So what about the soul of Jesus Christ and "who" He was/is? He spake what the Father wanted Him to speak though he is not the Father but the Son.

How can anyone say that God, our Father, did not have His Son with Him for any amount of time before Christ was born here of flesh? Is not anything possible with God?

Do you know of Philippians 2:6? Stating Christ was "in the form of God" and "thought it not robbery to be equal with God".

To Glory in the Son is to Glorify the Father.

I know there are different views to this and I don't think anyone here is going to change anyone else's mind. This is not a new topic.

Please don't take my post as harsh. Let us all stay focused on the Word of God and doing the Will of our Father. Which is to follow the way of Christ.

God Bless.

Michael.

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Hebrews 3:7-11.Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

Israel had a hardened heart. Which is the condition to all men without the "NEW" heart given by the Lord when saved.

( Hebrews 4:2-3. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.)

( For we which have believed do enter into rest,) as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Jude 1:5. answers itself, " they believe not' ( Was not saved )

James 2:21&26.

21:Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

26:For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

James is speaking of works "AFTER" salvation not for salvation.

Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Philippians 2:13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. This is what James 2:21 is speaking of.

Hebrews 6:12-19, and James 2:21.

These are 2 seperate accounts of Abraham in Hebrews 6:12-16 and James 2:21-23.

"Hebrews the promise was Issac confirmed by an oath". Played out in Gen. 15:1-12.

James was "Abraham having faith in THAT promise". Played out in Gen. 22:1-14.

Hello Tomeko,

Unfortunately, many misunderstand what being saved by grace means.

Yes, there is nothing we could do to save ourselves. Jesus had to die for us to save us. However, we have to repent of our sins and believe (or trust) in Jesus Christ as God's means of removing our sins and saving us. Repenting means that we tell God that we are sorry and that we no longer want to live in sin.

But, once saved, a person must keep himself in God's love.

Jude 1:21 "Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life."

John 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide (remain) in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide (remain) in his love."

We also need to walk in the light if we are to have the blood of Jesus wash away our sins.

1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

The apostle Paul fought a good fight to remain in God's love and thus could receive the crown of righteousness.

2 Timothy 4:7, 8 "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Perhaps, an example could help.

A man kills another man. He will be executed. The judge has mercy on him and tells him he will free him if the man repents and promises to not repeat his act. The man agrees. The man was freely forgiven as an act of grace and mercy. There was nothing he could do to save himself. But, now, he must keep to the terms and not kill again. If he does, he will be executed.

Philippians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

I bid you a good day.

TO: ADDING or TAKING AWAY from the SCRIPTURES on Nehemiah 8

TWO COMMANDMENTS OF JESUS: You are exactly right, Matthew 5:16 (Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.) What kind of light are true, born again, Christians showing by fighting over a day. If we take our sabbath on Saturday, Sunday, or even Wednesday, it is sabbath to that person. Philippians 2:12 ( Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.) Romans14:5 (One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.) 1 Peter 3:8 (Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:)

Thanks for that post and God Bless.

I think I may have once already left this dream that my Atheist step-father whom loved and taught me some good life long lessons. He was humble enough to tell me this dream long after I became a Christian. He dreamt that he died and was carried to a dark place where he was completely alone but fully conscious of his own existence and that this existence in this state was not to end. He was very concerned of it's meaning. Sorry for the possible repeat.

Hi Rawlie, I have visited many different denominations and my opinion is denominations divide the body of Christ. It turns the believers into belonging to a named religion, they hold the name of their denomination in pride saying I am a______, or I am a______, not I am a believer in Jesus Christ. We make it like colors, I like red, you like green, and she likes blue, who's right where is truth? The truth turns into an opinion or preference not what is true. I know there are Councils of Churches working to bring unity in Christianity. The churches when the scriptures were written had names of the cities, they were not named by the different beliefs they had. The one verse in the chapter you referred, I feel people did not observe so they created each different denomination.

Philippians 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

I do not know any scripture for ecumenism.

God bless, Ron

Marijuana is not mentioned to my knowledge. Neither is snorting cocaine. Nevertheless, I don't think it's ok. For one, we are to be part of the body of Jesus and He certainly doesn't approve of living life being high. ( James 4:17) If you know to do good and don't, it's sin to you.

Rawlie,

The ecumenical movement has been around for a long time now. This movement talks about unity among believers which sounds great, but if the goal is to bring all denominations and religions together as one, then that is something we must be cautious about.

Ephesians 4:3 says, "Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."

This tells us to keep the unity. We're already united in Christ. We don't have to make the unity. We're already united. We have to keep the unity. Satan is trying to divide the unity. And even if he succeeds in the human to get us to quarrel and have our differences or whatever, we still have unity in the Spirit. We're still one in Christ.

The theme of Philippians is about fellowship, and what it takes for a believer to have fellowship with other believers. That's the problem that Paul dealt with a lot. We are to tolerate one another in the love of Christ. We are to make it a top priority to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

But to bring all denominations together as one is a bad idea because it will cause problems. In 1 Corinthians 11:19, it says that there must be heresies among us and that division is necessary. The word heresy comes from the root word that means choice. That's what heresy is. It's when I choose to believe that the bible is teaching something that's not in the bible.

Most of the church today is made up of heresies and that's what divides one church from another church. It's why we have so many different denominations. We go over the same scriptures, and one side says "We believe that it says this," and another side will say "Well, we believe it means this!"

It says for it is necessary for there to be heresies. It's interesting that Paul didn't say "There shouldn't be any heresies." There have to be heresies in the church. Why? So that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. Did you know that God ordains division?

JEANETTE.

Drug use hinders us from being spiritually led, which can be dangerous to us whether Christian or not, How can you even hear the gospel that saves without the Holyspirit, Drug use distorts something on the inside the vessel that should be totally given over to the Lord.

Ephesians 5:14-19. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be ""FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT;""

Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

"Be not drunken with wine" The Emphasis is drunken, , "INFLUENCED by the wine is the danger here". But be filled with the spirit. INFLUENCED by the spirit is the blessing here!! they're contuary one to another. The focus is not on just wine, anything that hinders the work of the spirit.

It's not just what you will do while under fleshly influence, but what you want do what you want hear or anything the Holyspirit urges you to do.

Hi Jeanette.

Pharmakeia (from where we get the word Pharmacy), from Textus Receptus Greek text, meaning ‘drug use/drug dealing’ of which it and derivatives translated into the English as sorcery or witchcraft. Rev 9:21; Rev 18:23; Rev 22:15; Gal 5:20.

Examples in OT which would be ‘Ksp’ (Hebrew root of the word) are: Ex 7:11; Isa 47:9; Deut 18:10; II Kings 9:22, etc… many passages containing this root word referring to various usage for drugs be it dealing/trafficking or usage for any means.

Of course this does not apply to all drugs, such as aspirin for example, but more specifically what we distinguish as illegal recreational drugs, though not based upon what governments call legal or illegal, for some legalize them but they are still of objection by scripture. Generally such drugs are specifically used for altering consciousness into specific state of mind, to seemingly make one more aware or perceptive of the spiritual realm by general practice, but for a host of reasons they are used and thus still categorized as a means to enter a specific state of mind be it for recreational or ritualistic usage.

Common usage over the eons have been for ritual use in that Pagan/Occult practices may be performed. These are used to open up the user to a conscious state of awareness to spiritual influences. This observably not being the effect of alcohol usage which puts the user into a state of ‘fleshly awareness‘ (or unawareness), but more specifically a spiritual awareness conductive of their affects.

There has been medical usage associated with cannabis, but the correct usage is by way of an extraction process which removes the ’high’ effect that causes the altered state of mind. I consider this beneficial, being processed into pill form with the ‘high‘ effects removed, but using (e.g. smoking or eating) it in a way that causes the altered state would be considered the same that the scriptures warns against

What does the Bible say about ecumenism

what does the bible say about smoking marijuna? Is this considered a sin?

dont get me wrong however I do feel that if you are to truly fear somone it should be God in every shape and form, it has always been used with the same emotions present. there will always be fear and trembling before God. especially the father. however within this scripture it tells us there is no reason to fear thus giving this a different meaning as he cares for us even tho of his power and his able wrath. the phrase "fear and trembling" has been used many times in the past. truly by all rights he should be the only thing you ever fear in a round about way and should be cautious for all reasons.... for me however I've never had a fear of him other than hurting him or failing him. the pain it makes me personally feel after the fact in my heart and soul hurts more than I could care to compare to anything else. my fear is not what should compell me towards God when he says fear is the opposite of faith....he really means it. you either fear him or have total faith in him basically. if your going to have faith and pray; why worry or fear for any other reason than love for him in which he made you for? fear came upon adam and eve when they ate of sin. the point here is every type of fear you have should be for God. but in this case you have no reason to fear as it would only get in the way, unless it be for our reason for being in the first place. you fear killing that love for him. that in the end is all that should remain. honestly fear should come second to love and faith in him. but if there is any reason to truly fear....it is of God in some shape or form.

honestly I feel like a message is being missed here by many, so I felt I should shed light upon it. "work out your *own* salvation with fear and trembling" in one way he is saying to focus on yourself exclusively based on your own requirements of what he would expect from us when he is not present. by this time we know morally what we need to do, however he also notes while he is there as well to do the same thing..... this let's me know that his expectations for me may not be the same for *me* as he had for others.... in fact there are many examples of this throughout the bible. one of which being the nazarians. God required of them not to drink of wine, yet the jews were allowed to drink of wine. he also required some never to marry yet would allow others too and to top it off require them to marry the local whore in order to warn the people of a coming catastrophe. he required noah to build a boat and survive a flood and he has never asked me to build a boat. all fine examples of this. further the word for fear I can assure you is not the fear many would think this statement means... I'm sure if you looked up the word for fear when he spoke of in the negative light and the one used in this scripture; you would notice they use different hebrew translations or meaning. I honestly have never really had fear of God. my biggest fear of god is that I will break his heart. how is fear in this sentence being used? to tremble however that is a sighn of anxiousness in deep thought or caution with importance. note tho that there are many expressed fears of God in the bible and its entirety that I could tell. there was fear of punishment, fear of him, a reverent fear of respect, and a fear of failing him. fear of trust in God. it explains that fear is the opposite of faith so this needs to be examined with a fine tooth comb to find all the meaning this scripture could be expressing. for me the meaning is caution, handled with great care to match the value of my love for him.

Danise, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in times past ye (we) walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom ALSO WE ALL had our conversation in times past in the lust of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of our flesh and of the mind; and were by NATURE the children of wrath, even as others.

1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect; yet NOT THE WISDOM OF THIS WORLD, nor of the PRINCES OF THIS WORLD, that come to nought:

1 Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the WISDOM OF GOD in a mystery, even the hidden WISDOM, which God ORDAINED BEFORE THE WORLD unto OUR glory.

1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of THE PRINCES OF THIS WORLD knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Paul said God made him an example to all men. Paul was zealous for killing God's people. When ones appointed time from God comes; GOD WILL CAUSE YOUR WILL TO BECOME HIS WILL just as he did to Paul. WE were all born into IGNORANCE. We ALL killed CHRIST; and whatsoever you are doing to God's children you are doing unto Him.

Ephesians 1:11 .....according to the purpose of HIM who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL...

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (SPIRIT) WHO WORKETH in you BOTH (you and Christ) to will and to do of HIS good pleasure.

Proverbs 16:6 By MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the Lord men DEPART FROM EVIL.

God's works and will; WILL BE DONE.

Thank you brother Carleton, for sharing that very deep, thought-provoking message; I had to read it several times to properly comprehend it.

The 'heart' of course is such an immaterial concept, so we who live in a see/touch dimension find it difficult to understand & identify. I can best equate it to the residence of our spirit and to which place, the Holy Spirit is also found in all those who believe. And even though the Spirit continues to affect our spirits in many ways to the end of forming "Christ in us", sadly our minds tend to run riot at times, entertaining fleshly pursuits, affecting our spirit. And so the continual urging to "be renewed in the spirit of your mind" ( Ephesians 4:23) & Romans 12:2: "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God" must be our constant pursuit.

And if being "carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace" ( Romans 8:6), our minds must be specially affected by the Holy Spirit - and for that to happen, we put away sins in the mind & invite the Spirit to replace them with all that is pure & holy. And even in our struggles in the flesh, we know that "it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure" ( Philippians 2:13) & that work will never cease for it is God's Will & for His Joy for our holiness & bearing His Son's Image.

William, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

You say that it's up to you to choose, by the free will he has given you; is it really your choice or His choice.

Scripture says that ALL is HIS WORKS. Do you believe this.

John 15:16 You have not chosen me; but I have chosen you.

1 Corinthians 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? And what hast thou that thou DID NOT RECEIVE? Now if thou didst receive it, why doest thou glory, as if thou hast not received it.

1 Peter 1:21 Who (you) by him (Holy Spirit, Christ in you) do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory, that YOUR FAITH (the FAITH OF CHRIST) and hope might be in God.

Galatians 2:16 KNOWING that a man is not justified by the works of the law (the works of man's hands), but by THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have believed (BY HIM) in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, and not by the works of the law (the works of man's hands): for by the works of the law (the works of man's hands) shall no flesh be justified.

Philippians 1:9 For unto you it is GIVEN in the behalf of Christ, not only to BELIEVE on him; but also to suffer for his sake.

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD THAT WORKETH IN YOU both to WILL and do of his good pleasure.

Ephesians 1:11 In whom (in Christ) also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to THE PURPOSE OF HIM who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the council of HIS WILL:

(vs 12) That we should be to the praise of his glory, who (by HIM) first trusted in Christ.

He is not calling everyone right now; only those that have been chosen to rule and judge the nations with him.

Psalms 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings, ye judges of the earth.

Isaiah 1:26 I will restore thy judges as at the first......

Obadiah 21 And saviours shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau (sold their birthright for things of the flesh); and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

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Would the Love of God for sinners be seen in creating another human or animal (though perfect) to represent Him in sacrifice & prove His Love? It would be like saying, 'I don't want to risk my life to go out to save the drowning man; I would rather find another to do it for me'. Where is the true Love here?

Rather, for John 15:13 to reveal Jesus' Mind, we can only understand that Jesus was the One Who delighted to accomplish His Father's Will as a Man: John 6:38; Philippians 2:6-8.

So to the question: who is this Jesus & was He linked to Mary by blood thereby inheriting her sin nature? From the Scriptures just given, we see that Jesus is inextricably connected to God & came down from Heaven as God sent out His Word to be made human ( John 1:1,14). Can God (His Word made flesh) be found with a sin nature? To answer that, I referred you to 1 Corinthians 15:45-47. Here we saw that God's first creation (Adam) is of the Earth, earthy; the second Man is the Lord from Heaven" & He is referred to as the last Adam.

So God had determined two separate creations. The first one was created perfect but was deceived & sinned. The second One was created perfect, not from dust, but by the Spirit who took the Word & placed it in Mary to be brought into the World not as a man formed from & lying on the ground but as a Babe formed by the Spirit & issued through a woman.

"Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even we also should walk in newness of life. For if we had been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 64-11

"he ever liveth to make intercession for us" Hebrews 7:25

"And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" 1 John 2:1

"No man hath seen the God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him" John 1:18

"I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world" Matthew 13:35

"In my Father's house are many mansions.... I go to prepare a place for you" John 14:2

"God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good" Acts 10:38

"Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps" 1 Peter 2:21

"For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you" John 13:15

"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" Philippians 2:9-11

"I am a debtor" Romans 1:14

"took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men" Philippians 2:7

"his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh" Romans 8:3

"The first man Adam is of the earth, earthy: the second man Jesus is the Lord from heaven" 1 Corinthians 15:47

"He can not deny himself" 2 Timothy 2:13

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever" Hebrews 13:8

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world: but that the world through him might be saved" John 3:17

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acception, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15

"For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost" Luke 19:10

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" Acts 4:12

"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This signifying what death he should die" John 12:32-33

John Chapter 19- whole chapter

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins" Ephesians 1:7

"Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Revelation 1:5

"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver or gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" 1 Peter 1:18-19

"And he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" 1 John 2:2

"Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it" Acts 2:24

1 Corinthians Chapter 15 whole chapter

( 1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

Psalms 7:9 Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.

Proverbs 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

Revelation 2:22-23 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am He which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Philippians 2:5-11 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Matthew 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

2 cor. 10:4,5 cast down every thought that is contrary to GODS word! It's a lie! John 8 :44 devil liar and father of it.

Chris,

Also, we can look at Philippians 2:6 which says, Who (Referring to Jesus), being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:



2 Corinthians 4:4 says, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

There is a word in the Greek text that can be defined as the out beam, or radiance of God's glory. It is the word APOUGASMA. It is a word used to describe Christ, being the out beam of God's glory.

I like to imagine shining a flashlight on a wall in a pitch-black room. The light I see on the wall is Christ. But if I were to take that same flashlight and point it at my eyes, its brightness would be so great that it would blind me. Thus, our image of the Divine Glory of God is enlightened and more vivid by the beauty of the scriptures!

I believe what the inspired writer of Hebrews wanted his readers to draw is apparent and fitting. Christ is the "effulgence" of God's glory ( Hebrews 1:3) because as the Word, He became flesh so that the grace and truth of God's glory could be seen by all ( John 1:14,17-18).

Jesus is the true light that radiates forth prevailing over all shades of darkness ( John 1:5). Just as no one can stare directly into the beam of the flashlight or spotlight without being blinded by the extreme brightness, in like manner, none can see the Father because of His Divine Glory.

But, as the light of the flashlight shines forth from the bulb revealing its essence, Jesus shines forth as the visible manifestation by which the knowledge of the glory of God is declared to all ( John 1:14,18; 2 Corinthians 4:6). For he who sees Jesus beholds the Father! ( John 12:45; 14:9,10).

Thanks Chris!

Dear Sacha,

If you're a Christian and don't believe Jesus is Lord then that is mystifying. If you don't believe in the many scriptures in the Bible that say not only Jesus is the son of God, but is God, then that is mystifying. You are in the minority who believe that. Many think saying such things as what you just said is a heresy, but I wouldn't go so far- I think it's just misunderstanding in the same way the other person did. Much of it involves falsely assuming a format like this: "Jesus has one title, therefore he can't (with my own human interpretation) have other titles, because my personal reasons." You suggested that Jesus is not Lord, but that's a foundational belief in Christianity and is throughout the Bible. It's sad that someone has to also assume false motives of another Christian too. Did you pray to God the Father about this before posting such controversy?

Examples of Jesus is Lord: Link

Romans 10:9

Romans 6:23

Philippians 2:10-11

Luke 6:46

Isaiah 44:6

John 13:13

1 Thessalonians 4:16

2 Timothy 1:8

Acts 16:31

1 Corinthians 12:3-5

Did you reach each of the above?

Romans 10:9 for example says: ""That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."" - some translations word it as "...if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord..."

Deut 6:4, Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

This verse is similar to: 1 John 5:7-8, John 10:30, and John 1:1, John 1:14, and so many others that say Jesus is God. This doesn't mean Jesus is God the Father, but Jesus is God the Son.

When it says "we are one" that does not mean they are separate. It means they are one. So, when a man says they can't be one, or Jesus is separate somehow, because it says they are 'one' that idea self-contradicts itself. I believe the Bible as it is written.

Apologies about using the abbreviation - saving space.

Re: A. Indeed, Paul refers to Isaiah 28:11,12 though it has to be understood why he referenced it in 1 Corinthians 14:21. Ephraim was warned that because of their sins they would be carried into the Assyrian captivity where they would hear strange languages. This was a judgment against them: both the captivity & hearing God's Word in a language they didn't understand. So Paul uses that warning to Ephraim for the abuse of the Gift of other Tongues in the Corinthian Church. When the Gift ought to be used correctly (i.e. with interpretation) for the edifying of the Church, the Corinthians disregarded that & uttered in a manner that was unintelligible, resembling the confusion & nonsense that Ephraim was subjected to. So Isaiah's prophecy wasn't an authority for the future Gift of other Tongues but a warning to the Church to use the Gift correctly or else it would be of no use ( 1 Corinthians 14:7-11).

B: The Trinity. Whether of the 'Babylonian trinity' or 'Constantine's invention at the Council of Nicaea', I care little, since my appeal is to the Scriptures & I added the testimony of a couple of the early Church fathers. True, there is only one God & there is one Mediator between God & men, but we still have a problem when Scriptures reveal the Divinity of this Man Jesus. Even in John1:1-14, how can we disregard the Word of God, issued out of the Essence of God Himself, being sent forth into the World in a body of flesh. Is that impossible for God or could it be that our minds have difficulty in comprehending such a miracle? Also, could not God have provided another lamb (a special one-off creation & of complete purity) to be sacrificed for sinners? Why create a new sinless man for that purpose? Or, maybe it has something to do with the declaration of God's Love in the giving of Himself when no other sacrifice would be acceptable to Him. Philippians 2:5-11 is another compelling Scripture. Blessings to you.

In this very personal prison epistle by the Apostle Paul, he had much to commend the Philippian Church in their faith. But he knew that his time on Earth was soon to end, yet he always prayed for them with great joy for their fellowship with him & for their Christian life & witness.

So Paul, in his final instructions encourages them in their walk & that the joy he had because of them, would be fulfilled (i.e. made complete & overflowing) as they make it a point to be of the same mind, of the same Christ-like love, of the same purpose, & of same humility that Christ showed by going to the Cross for them.

In chapter 4:2, two ladies, Euodias & Syntyche, are specifically mentioned that they be of the same mind in the Lord (or, to be reconciled because of some division), so Paul may have been addressing this matter but also wanted the believers to grow further in Christ by his teaching. Yet Paul already great joy for them, but it would be truly abundant, if the Lord allowed him to visit them on his release, or at least hear about their growth if he was still kept in prison (1:25-27).