Discuss Psalms 138 Page 2

Earl,

You alleged, "he [Paul] was taught by Jesus in the desert. Scripture says we are taught the same way."

I humbly disagree. Paul had direct revelation from Jesus. He heard and saw things that were not previously known to him.

"But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." Gal 1:11-12

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2Ti 3:16-17

Paul got revelation and wrote under the guidance of The Holy Spirit what we get to read today as Scripture. The Holy Spirit does guide us to understand The Scriptures, but exactly HOW is puzzling when you see good Christians differing on baptism or eschatology and lots of other doctrines that I would not classify as MAIN things that are the PLAIN things.

I would claim that when Jesus said this to His disciples, that He meant it ONLY for them, until they wrote what God wanted them to write for us...

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."Joh 16:12-13

If this was directed to us, The Holy Spirit has failed, and God does not fail. So I suggest that this was NOT written TO any other believers than The Apostles.

Thank you Jesse for this definition of Meno. It reminded me that there once was a Catholic Priest by the name Meno that was well privileged, was taught to read and write. He did read just enough to realize that he remained a sinner and had no peace. He had seen the persecution of the defenseless Christians who would not fight back even in unkind words as they were punished by death by all kinds of tortures. This Catholic Priest left the Roman Church and joined bu repentance and faith in one accord with these defenseless brethren. I never knew until now that his name meant permanency. It is amazing that some Christians hundreds of years later, who have not taken their neighbor to court, or far worse, can still live in this world by their faith in Jesus Christ as lambs.

Hello Earl,

Indeed we are taught by God's Spirit. Thanks for sharing John 2:27. One word that stands out to me in that verse is the word abideth/abide, MENO in the original language. MENO is a word that denotes permanency, God's Spirit permanently abiding in us and us in Him. I agree that He is our teacher.

You and I have a different understanding of Revelation 12:14 on who this woman is and the other symbolisms in that verse, but that's okay. I know there are different theories as to who this woman is. One group says this woman is Mary Baker Eddy, which I totally disagree with!

Good day my brothers and sisters,

As many do not read the Apocrypha books, as they are not included anymore in the KJV Bible, there is much wisdom and truth in them. I just want to post a couple verses for you all I was reading the other night. I am very thankful we have access to them on this site for us to go through.



Wisdom of Solomon 1:1-7 Love righteousness, ye that be judges of the earth: think of the Lord with a good (heart,) and in simplicity of heart seek him.

2 For he will be found of them that tempt him not; and sheweth himself unto such as do not distrust him.

3 For froward thoughts separate from God: and his power, when it is tried, reproveth the unwise.

4 For into a malicious soul wisdom shall not enter; nor dwell in the body that is subject unto sin.

5 For the Holy Spirit of discipline will flee deceit, and remove from thoughts that are without understanding, and will not abide when unrighteousness cometh in.

6 For wisdom is a loving spirit; and will not acquit a blasphemer of his words: for God is witness of his reins, and a true beholder of his heart, and a hearer of his tongue.

7 For the Spirit of the Lord filleth the world: and that which containeth all things hath knowledge of the voice.

Wisdom of Solomon 1:11 Therefore beware of murmuring, which is unprofitable; and refrain your tongue from backbiting: for there is no word so secret, that shall go for nought: and the mouth that belieth slayeth the soul.

Wisdom of Solomon 1:22-24 As for the mysteries of God, they knew them not: neither hoped they for the wages of righteousness, nor discerned a reward for blameless souls.

23 For God created man to be immortal, and made him to be an image of his own eternity.

24 Nevertheless through envy of the devil came death into the world: and they that do hold of his side do find it.

Jesse, may the Spirit grace us with his wisdom and understanding. You stated that Paul was bold in his teachings; but could be so because he was taught by Jesus in the desert. Scripture says we are taught the same way.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received of him abideth in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman (symbolic of the church, which is us) were given two wings of a great eagle (symbolic of the kingdom of heaven), that she might fly in the wilderness (the desert where you are taught by the Holy Spirit, which is Christ), into her place, nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (symbolic of the day of the Lord which began at John the Baptist crying as a voice in the desert and has continued now for 2000 years.

Ezekiel 17:1-24

Mark 1:3

John 1:23

Daniel 12:7

Daniel 12:11-12

BE BOLD, fear not it's Christ words, it's his WORKS.

Dear Richard, Amen!

There is only one Gospel. I truly believe that the infallible rule of interpreting scripture is that scripture interprets itself. All we can do is share our own understanding. We are all fallible human beings capable of misunderstanding. What scares me the most when I share my knowledge with people is that I might mislead someone by what I share, because in the back of my mind, I know I could be wrong. And that is a scary thought knowing that I will be held accountable for everything I share, even if I think "I know."

But you gotta love Paul. He was even bold enough to say that if anyone preached any other gospel than that which I have preached, let him be accursed. How can he make such a bold claim? I believe that it is because he was taught personally by Jesus Christ Himself for three years out in the Arabian Desert. You can't get any better teaching than that. Paul never contradicts what Jesus taught.

God Bless!

Richard,

I agree that there were NOT two gospels, one for Jews and another for Gentiles, but ONE gospel encapsulated in 1 Cor 15:3-4.

Acts is not a particularly good place to ground fundamental doctrine, which is where some go to justify, baptismal regeneration and "The Apostles" gospel for instance.

Hello my brothers and sisters,

Though I believe many of you on here would agree with me on this. I feel there may be some that are a bit confused on this matter. There is only ONE Gospel of Christ. No matter who preached it or who it was preached to. Christ is not divided.

I understand how some may think Paul had his "own" gospel. Which is not true. Of coarse everyone is unique and special in the Lord in there own way God made them. All are special and unique in the body of Christ.

What I would like to share is the three places Paul states "my gospel". Twice in Romans once in 2 Timothy. When reading these verses in the Textus Receptus all three verses have the same three words that they translate to "my gospel" in English. Which can lead to this confusing I totally understand. The three Greek words are, in English, "the, gospel, of me". "Of" is the expression or indication between things. Paul and the Gospel of Christ he preached.

God Bless and have a wonderful day!

Please ,dont get me started thinking about my cat ,i shall be snotty and tearfull all day ,your suggestion sounds feasable but im worried about this shutting down of the right half if my brain ,at my age i need it all ! I will be in cleveland tonight ! Cleveland england ! Its a small world ,i suppose its good to remember things ,good and bad ,God teaches us through our experiences and though we may wish to forget some of them we need to remember the lessons He teaches us .

Daniel 12:9

Daniel 12:4

The persistence of memory. That voice needs to be caged. Once in a while, I will remember a beloved dog I owned, and feel my heart double pump.

I found a scientific solution, you will laugh, but it works: If I gently tap, with my left hand fingers (slap), the top front, left side of my head, a 2" wide x 3" back section from hairline, and lightly tap my head 10 times, the vibration of my skull manipulates the brain waves, freeing me of the thought. The taps stimulate analytical left brain, shutting down right brain creativity. I'll be giving a presentation at the Cleveland Clinic next week.....Ah haha. Don't knock yourself out.

Darren ,yes you are correct about memories ,i think this is one of the reasons faith is sooo important ,we have to belive 100 per cent that our sins are forgiven ,if we dont we can drive ourselves crazy with guilt ,i havent murdered anyone but before i was baptized i did a few things im very ashamed of ,knowing that i have been forgiven helps me not to torture myself over them ,also we remember all the times others have sinned against us ,i find its usually quite easy to forgive but the memory of the hurt some one has caused me can still be painfull even after ive forgiven them ,i have to make a conscieous effort to put past sins out of my mind ,those that i have commited and those that were done to me ,ive been forgiven and i have forgiven but sometimes the scars still sting a bit !

Thankyou brother dan , i needed that and i long for the day when God makes all things new .

Actually there was no single book call The Bible until around 300 AD.

Adam, Abraham, Moses, David all lived before Christ, BC, when much of the writings were on scrolls. Moses wrote 5 scrolls: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

As time went on, the holy men, the priests and Levites, identifies writings that seemed like they might be classified as Holy Scripture, and put them aside to test them. And here's the test they gave these writings.

"And the LORD said unto me [Moses],

'They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.'"Deu 18:17-22

The priests and Levites considered that the writings of Enoch and many other writings that today are referred to as the Apocrypha, did NOT pass the test that God gave to Moses. Consequently, they are not in The Bible, the canon of Sacred Inspired writings.

"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2Pe 1:21

Oh no darren ! She wasnt abusive i promise ! Hahaha ! I wasnt looking for sympathy i promise ! She genuinely didnt belive in a 'devil' as such but belived that we had the choice to be obedient to God or disobedient and when we disobeyed Him we were the devil ,maybe im not explaining it properly but i promise she just didnt want me blaming some one else for my naughtiness ,when i was a child i knew a lot of adults who didnt belive in the devil as an external being who tempted us into sinning ,my grandad who had been a p.o.w. would say theres nothing so evil as people ,im inclined to agree but thats a different can of worms i dont feel like opening just now .

:) Thanks Darren. Run your race!

It's great to have the anabaptist wing in the house. This is part of God's kingdom, but not what I'd want to be resurrected into if you know what I mean.

Sacha,

That is awful, abuse. Your grandmother must have been in a lot of pain.

I have this theory about the cause of personal anguish: your memory. It reminds you of everything. Ever have a bad luck streak in sleeping. Toss and turn, sing the dumbest songs. Go to work crazy?

This question is usually posed because it's hard for mere humans to understand that something exists without a beginning.

But the truth is, God was not born. God was not created. God always was, is, and always will be.

"He lives forever, whose name is holy" ( Isaiah 57:15)

Everything current will pass. God will create anew.

Revelation 21:1-5

1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Earl,

At the resurrection, we know about those dead in Christ, and about those who make it to the end, everyone is lifted up at the same time. I like the details of the saints below, do you know them?

-Like these:

Revelation 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.



-Who are their "fellow servants" also their brethren that were killed like they were?

These:

Revelation 11:7-12 .........(12)"And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

The 144,000 are the two candlesticks and the 2 olive trees that stand before God. They finished their testimony and are killed. They ascended to heaven in a cloud at the 7th trumpet to join Christ.

Good evening, Is not the Kingdom of God present now?

Earl,

Explain to me in a paragraph exactly what you are saying about Revelation, heaven and earth? Above and below during the 6th-7th trumpets? What do we do if it starts to get bomby outside? Can you conceptualize your thoughts to what you personally envision, and share that? The only scripture you listed that supports your stance is John 18:36, but you are taking Jesus out of context; He is speaking about His current reality, he's restrained. The rest of the scriptures carry little weight to substantiate a claim.



You claim this:

"no part of revelation is going to occur in the physical sense.

revelation is spiritual warfare for the kingdom of heaven.

revelation is completely symbolic."

I always counted the 7th trumpet "saints" as those resurrected in Christ. The earthly army of a transfigured Jesus Christ in His bright glory taking over the earth. It doesn't seem symbolic for God to have to go to all these lengths to do exactly as he has written, but he does so to fulfill prophesy, on earth. Earl, I'm not persuading you to change your mind, I'm just glad to be talking to you.

Why would God promise David that he would never lack a king sitting on his throne till Christ comes if the earth isn't going to be rewarded, renewed. Jesus Christ has an earthly throne to come down to.

"Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel." 1 Kings 9:5

Without the 3 evil spirits, we can be born again, saints.

Looking forward to your rundown of this age.





"no part of revelation is going to occur in the physical sense.

revelation is spiritual warfare for the kingdom of heaven.

revelation is completely symbolic."

can be understood only by faith

Earl.

See you at the 7th trumpet: "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." Rev 11:15

God is eternal and has always been in existence.

wen was god born

why were there some books, such as Enoch not put in the King James version of the Bible?

Darren, may the Spirit grace you with his wisdom and his understanding.

I'm not sure you understand the kingdom of heaven.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey them.

Luke 20: 35-36 But they who shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

(vs 36) Neither can they die anymore: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Revelations symbolizes how you obtain that world and the judgement the saints will bring upon the earth.

1 Corinthians 6:2 Do you not know that the saints shall judge the world?

Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the judgement written: this honour has all his saints.

Revelation 2:26-27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works until the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

(vs 27) And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers, even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 3:9 Behold I will make of them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews (circumcised in the heart), and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Those in the kingdom of heaven are those who are going to rule over the earth symbolized in Revelation and explained in the prophets.