Bible Discussion Thread

Where is luke warm for christians located in the King James Bible?

As GiGi posted Revelation chapter 3:15-17 and there's something to be said about the lukewarm. That's where we are now as a whole in the world. The church has gone completely lukewarm. The church looks much like the world (not all but many): a dark stage, laser/spot lighting similar to a secular stage, worship which resembles 1980's/90's alternative rock, focus on false signs & wonders rather than the simple things of God, no more alter calls, replacement theology, modern bibles (many of which omit important verses or warp them to the point of being non-readable such as MSG)...I could keep going. Then there's that same "christian" which my wife and I see covered in tattoos, swearing with their friends and then with a blush of embarrassment yet still entitlement on a Sunday. One cannot walk with one foot in Hell and the other in Heaven; God won't have it. There's on one of two sides of the grave. You're saved = Heaven; unsaved = eternity in Hell. But that's what we're doing today -- the lukewarm church only wants a passive shoulder Jesus and knows more of the world than they do of God.

I have found 21 synonyms for luke warm, Laodicean is one of them.

Daniel,

It is true that there is plenty fo "lukewarmness" in the church today, along with a high dose of worldliness. I saw the changes you mentioned taking place in the late 70's-early 80's and it has continued on a landslide scale through the 90's up to today. multisensory, self-centered, experience grounded "worship" has replaced that which is centered on God Himself and the truth of the Word. I do not have a problem with the changes in worship music, per se, but after contemporary music became the dominant form in the late 90's, "worship" very soon gave way to entertainment "worship". Instead of the visual of the lyrics displayed so all could see without looking down at a hymnbook, large monitors soon were used to display the "worship leaders doing their "thing" on stage. This is about when all the jumping around and such began on the "altar" which now was a stage. As you say, these soon began to resemble a rock concert as churches adopted the peculiar aspects of what is done in today's secular performances. I have visited churches that do this and it makes my heart sick.

This is all disturbing to me. The last time I went to a well known Christian concert I was first of all upset that he had large initials for his name on the stage, not Jesus' name and all of the strobe light just gave me a big headache. It was sensory overload. I had to put my jacket over my head and plug my ears to escape and spend time thinking clearly about the LORD. I could not leave, since I was with a group. That was the last time I went to such an event and don't plan to go again.

I have heard people say they do this "to be relevant" to the unchurched. But I do not think that we can hope to address people's spiritual needs by going through the flesh. "Flesh gives birth to flesh, but spirit gives birth to spirit" (Can't remember the verse that speaks of this.)

Along with this worldly style of worship, giant heresies have crept up within churches and are eagerly embraced.

How sad.

Wow, you described the lukewarm worship exact. Before I was saved...I went to churches...seriously. But there were no alter calls. The lukewarm replaces alter calls (invitation to Salvation) with a "Jesus hug" false salvation. I remember someone laying hands on me and praying (this was supposedly for Salvation) saying you must say, "Jesus I love you, I want you in my life, I want to serve you. Amen." I must have prayed variations of that 20 times and some odds years later I was saved because someone showed me in the Holy Bible (KJV) what Salvation was and what the Blood of Jesus actually does. I was also told I was a sinner. The contemporary churches I attended avoided talking about sin and labeled anything relative as "legalism." I recall worship leaders walking around with guitars before the "worship" playing secular music.

Last part I'll add to these christian "concerts." I went to one back in 2008. The band was called Family Force 5 and looked like a bunch of cross-dressers. Please, don't look up the "music" they're playing. There was merchandising for this make-up clad male band and no mention anywhere of God. The concert got louder and louder and then ended. Once the concert ended a P.A. started playing music as the band cleared the stage. Very sincerely, they started playing Highway to Hell by AC/DC. Had I not met a humble group of Mexican-American fundamental pastors in a small town years later; it's likely I would have still been in the world. The lukewarm church keeps those therein in a spirit of bondage. A risen ministry see's it's members feeling victorious in Christ Jesus.

Dear Daniel,

Thanks for your input. I do think it is important to speak about this subject as it is leading so many into a false sense of salvation and false "encounters" with whom they think is God.

Hi Larry

i believe you will find your answer in the book of Revelation chapter 3:15-17 in the Lord's address to the church of the Laodiceans:

"I know your works, that you ate neither cold, nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So, then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, i will vomit you out of my mouth. But because, you say, 'I am rich, having become wealthy, and have need of nothing'-- and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked-"