Bible Discussion Thread

Michael IS Jesus. Daniel 12:1

"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:"

Only Jesus stands for the children of thy people. Jesus, the great I AM.

Isaiah lists 26 names for our LORD.

Hadassah,

Please check an early reference to Michael, "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia."(Dan.10:13). Again fast forward to post-Rapture. "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,"(Re.12:7) The entire chapter as seen by St John is a series of vignettes, The church called to hold a position in heavenly places. After the man-child is caught up to the throne the same war in heaven spills over to thee earth. The left behind church is brought to the wilderness. One swallow does not make a summer. Dan.12:1 refers to the great tribulation, which great as it is indeed tribulation is bearable. Having quenched the indwelling Spirit the apostate church has no remedy for the age of grace is at an end. Death for a martyr is joyous since the grace of God makes his vision as in case of St Stephen beatific. (Ac.7:56)

Good evening Bennymkje, I think too Michael as an angel of God had purpose in provisional protection of the people of God before Christ was born. Even true if and when the people of God opposed themselves being led by God to Christ. Have wondered if Daniel's three weeks of mourning was in the way? Perhaps Michael in 12:1 separated natural Israel from spiritual Israel as he added that he stands "for the children of thy people" thinking of new born. I think of Michael like a dam that attempts to divert Israel to spiritual first before a natural destruction.

Hello Carleton,

Where the Spirit has chosen to draw a veil over matters like angels, he has done for a purpose. 2 Ti.3:1r. Does knowing the identity of ministering angels and under which order they operate help instructing us in righteousness?(Ps.104:4) Neither does the 666. He is son of perdition denying glory of God in body,spirit and soul Nothing more we need know. When we are asked to judge angels all matters shall be given so we judge them as the Son himself would do. (1 Co.6:3). First win salvation of our souls, and not before.

Till then Michael is a just a name, a prince of angelic order; so is Gabriel.

Good morning Bennymkje, I can agree with your thought on our need to know much more than what the scriptures themselves reveal regarding the Angels. I noticed you mentioned a beautification vision as Stephen was martyred. We do not know much more than what God reveals to us by the way of the scriptures as He pleases.

Hi Bennymkje , I understand what you are saying and to a very large extent agree with you . I do always wonder though , how Mary must have felt when the angel that spoke to her revealed that his name was Gabriel . She being a devoted lady would have caught her breath at that name , knowing it was the same angel that spoke to Daniel many many years before . Of course you are correct that if we are not told something then it's because we don't need to know it , but the converse is true , if we are told something then it's because God wants us to know it , just like He wanted Mary to know that the angel that spoke to her was the same one that spoke to Daniel .

Jema,

Gabriel is the Angel of the Lord and also he reveals his name to Zacharias. "I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee,"( Luke 1:11, 19) He might have had certain freedom 'to play by the ear as it were; so he strike him dumb, "And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season."(v.20). The same after six months at Nazareth,"And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee."

From Daniel's book Michel seems to be associated with Persia as Gabriel over Palestine. " and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz" He is same as the mighty angel (Re.10:1) representing the Son, in Dan.12 we see him. He refers to Michael as his helper, "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia./Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days."(10:13)

Compare with"Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates./And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men." (Re.9:14-15)

The four angels are released on command from heaven. They were prepared for partial judgments. " In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up,"(Ge.7:11)God's Time has its hour, day, month and year. But not the same our time scale. fountains of the deep work at tandem so we read flood came from above as well.'The windows of heaven were opened'.