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I might be misunderstanding your question but I think what it's talking about in 1 Corinthians Chapter 11 is that people were coming into the church and taking communion in an unworthy manner. This is not talking about fellowshipping together and having a potluck at the church.
1 Corinthians 11:29 says, "For he that eats and drinks unworthily, eats and drinks damnation to himself, by not discerning the Lord's body.
There's the key!
Jesus set it up so that when you take the bread or drink the cup, He said do this in remembrance of me.
When they took the bread and drank the cup, they were not discerning that these elements represented the Lord's body. They continued to eat it like it was a meal.
1st cor 11 verse 34 states if a man hunger let him eat at home, so why do most churches of christ spend money out of the treasure to have fellowship halls, we should eat in the home.
I am ok with fermented wine being used at communion since that is what Jesus used and the early church did, also. If someone is an alcoholic, then they could refrain from taking the wine and just have the bread of communion. I would rather follow the example set by Jesus than substitute something in place of the drink that represents His blood of the new covenant. But then again, if a congregation goes with just juice instead of wine, it is ok with me, also, because it was common in Jesus' time to have wine with meals. If it is common for people to no have alcoholic wine with meals now, then having juice as the drink of communion would equate to the wine of Jesus' time in that the cup is taken communally as meaning all share in the new covenant of Christ's blood by faith.
Throughout the history of christianity wine was always used for communion. Not just wine but sweet wine which was the type of wine used in ancient times Acts 2:13 "Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine." New wines are sweet, they contain glucose in large quantities. That grape fruit juice practice is a recent "invention" of the previous, or so, centuary.
Paul in his letter to Corinthians talks about believers who got drunk but to understand that we have to see how communion was performed in the early days. The communion was not done during the church service as probably nowadays most churches do. In Sunday evenings (Sunday was a working day at that time) believers sat on tables to eat together and the communion was done at the end of that supper, just like Jesus and apostles did on that day. So some believers had a bit too much of wine during the meal (not during the communion) and got a bit drunk. Others ate their food without expecting the rest, who probably were poor and had little or nothing at all to eat. So Paul adresses this sort of things. If you read the history of christianity, you will find out that those meals were called "agapes", from the greek agape which means love. That practise was kept until aprox. the middle or end of the 2nd centuary AD and was eventually abandoned since christians were then thousands and practically couldn't gather together in huge tables. So the communion was eventually transfered from the tables to the Sunday service. During emperor Constantine's time Sunday was declared a holiday and the church service together with the communion were transfered from evenings to mornings. A brief account of the practice of the early church.
With due respect of your conclusion on wine (fermented juice) being used in Communion, remember day old juice will not have much fermentation, but as scripture refers to, not putting new wine (juice) in old bottles lest the old bottles burst. So, wine could be considered before and after fermentation. While you would prefer in today's world to use fermented juice as your choice of wine, we should not condemn anyone desiring to use Welches grape juice, for neither new or old wine would have any bearing on why either are used in remembrance of the precious blood of Christ.
Jesus's first miracle was turning water into wine at a wedding party and it likely contained alcohol based on the comment someone made there (saving best for last). Because Jesus is sinless it would not make sense for him to do an act causing sin. Therefore what He did is not sinful. And following His example is not sinful as long as following other verses about keeping in moderation. Nearly everything can become sinful in excess and if abused. Plus Jesus used wine at his last supper not Welch's grape juice. So, while I think well intentioned to not cause anyone to stumble (such as for any recovering alcoholics), I personally would prefer to remember Jesus following His example with real wine. God bless.
No Alvis, I wouldn't condemn believers partaking in a little red wine at the Lord's Table. In fact, some believers do, as observed during my days with the Christian Brethren Assemblies, & one soon knows that most of those present there don't indulge in alcohol at home, since subdued coughs are sometimes heard after taking a sip of the wine from the common cup. As long as our focus is on the Lord Who was sacrificed for us, our remembrance of Him & in communion with the saints, it matters little whether juice or wine is used.
Taking communion in the church building by the church, it is often brought up by various believers whether to use juice or wine.
I feel like in the days of old in the beginning of taking communion, real fermented juice was used, as Paul commented to the Corinthians that some drank and became drunken.
But today, we in the churches of God only use fresh juice that represents the blood of Christ. In this manner, we stop anyone from being drunken.
Question, would any of us as believers condemn any believer if they partook of fermented juice in communion as long as an amount would not be intoxicating ?
There are lots of discussion on what is meant for us and what isn't. There is no other bible that changes these ( 1 Corinthians 11:14-15) the spirit and word agree.
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Drinking and eating the body and blood of Jesus Christ. This is an act of unfathomable understanding. "The sacrament of the alter" How profound an act toward man!
This act is the will toward man, that we can live and refresh ourselves, while living in the body of Christ!
We are no longer of this world, we now live, move, and have our being In Him.
What Jesus did the night of his betrayal, would become His eternal, everlasting, covenant with Promise toward man.
So remarkable! How He has sealed us. Sealing us with His blood, sanctifying Cleansing us with His body. We are new creatures, living and abiding in Him!
Hello Taufusi. This passage takes us back to the actual time when Jesus & His disciples celebrated the Passover. You can read it in Matthew 26:17-30. In this passage, Jesus had prepared the heart of a particular man to give his home to Jesus & the disciples to eat the Passover. At this time of dining, Judas is identified as the one who would betray Jesus to the Jewish leaders; and they were eating this meal in memory of the time when the Angel of Death 'passed over' the Israelite homes that displayed the blood on the doorposts & lintels ( Exodus 12:1-14), so that they wouldn't suffer death as the Egyptians did with their firstborn.
During their meal, Jesus then took a portion of bread (flat bread as eaten in the Middle East & Asia), blessed it & broke it & gave to His disciples. Jesus was showing them that soon He would have to die & His Body broken (put to death) on the Cross. They would now eat it, looking ahead to that time when "Christ must needs have suffered" in death for man's sins & there was no other way for man to be saved & acceptable to God, except by the Cross.
Jesus then offered them the cup, saying "this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins" & to "drink all of it". Jesus' shed Blood on the Cross looks back to the blood the Israelites placed on the doorposts & lintel of their homes when they were in Egypt. For them, it meant avoiding death in their families - for us who have put our trust in Jesus, it means that we have passed from death & punishment for sins, to new life in Christ. The Blood also showed that it was special - not animal's blood to just shield them from God's Anger, but the Blood of God's Son that guarantees us a complete forgiveness, healing, & acceptance by the Father to all who come to God through Jesus.
The disciples ate this meal looking forward to the Cross - we eat it now looking back with thanksgiving for what God accomplished for us through His Son, until He returns for us.
Dear "Taufusi Faletolu", it is called The Last Supper dear friend. And this is done at Christian congregation meetings around the church of God.
It is a reminder of the Lord Jesus and what He did for us at Calvary. And we need and remember in unison in this. (If i could have decided when and where i would have taken it every time there had been a meeting). But I do not get it: p
For then all who came had been united in one spirit. Be blessed dear friend in Jesus Name, 2 Timothy 1:7
Dear "Sis Smith", you have probably read on in the same chapter.
There you get the answer dear friend. If there are issues that are uncertain for someone, it does not help and get help with it either. You can not go further than is given from Lights Father, in peace i say this.
Today I received words from 2 Peter 3: 14-18. So the proposal is that u take it up with the Lord Jesus. 1 John 1:5-10.
Now i have met many Christians from different denominations and some ladies are wearing a shawl. Whether it's important to them is their business. Sometimes i can feel that i am being pressured into it, then i also put something over. In joy i do so that others may be strengthened by my humility. But it is also through sorrow that the Holy Spirit is grieved by all the inventions of men. Your question is still open and some ppl here on the web may be able to answer you.
He constantly prays for us without delay, rest assured. Be blessed in Jesus Name, love u in Christ.
In first Corona level chapter 26 verse he talks about your head should be covered is that's for the preacher's hair to be cover and he also talk about taking a sacrament is that's for only the men's to take the Sacramento and not the women is
My thought is that Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible. They were written in Hebrew.
Abraham lived before Moses. I would think that when Ishmael descendants settled in the lands that God deeded to them.
Israel's boundaries were recorded in the scriptures and deeded to them through a covenant God performed with Abraham (and his legal wife Sarah); cutting the covenant.
The deed is still legal in Gods eyes. The fact that Israel gives land for peace; will be the issue of the end of time wars fought. Just because 5-6000 years have passed by, doesn't mean God has forgotten the original Covenant boundaries. People change. Not the Covenant.
I'm always amazed at the size of Israel, compared to the other kingdoms that exist on modern maps now. Not even 10 miles wide! Anyone could jog that every day of their lives. The promise that God made to Ishmael is much greater in size. To think God has become senile is ridiculous.
It is written: there will be a final battle fought at Armageddon. Only those who choose to stand with Jesus will live with him eternally. John 3: "you must be born again" from above.
Reference Corinthians 11 how should we fit what is said here about women, which looks very much like the position expressed in the Koran, into todays world and equality of sexes?
Also, in my reading I find constant reference to the Law of Moses a law that is 4000 or 5000 years old and Jewish?
If you have put your trust in Jesus, believing that He died to pay the penalty for your sin and that He rose from the dead and lives, and you have turned from your sin, then you have been declared righteous before God, even though we sin every day in thought, word and deed.
"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 1Jn 1:5-10 (KJVA)
"As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us." Psa 103:12 (KJVA)
However, although our sins have been forgiven, we may suffer consequences. Look at King David. He committed adultery with Bathsheba and had her husband murdered and then after he confessed his sin when confronted by the prophet, God forgave his sins. However, he suffered sever consequences of family turmoil and shame. God disciplines His children, not out of anger, but as a father. Read Hebrews 12.
I have to be honest ,i dont give money to beggars if i suspect it will be spent on drugs ,this is because i worry that the moneyi give them may buy the drugs that kill them ,i have helped people find accomodation and bought food ,clothes etc but you get to know your local beggars and you dont need to be a genius to know the signs of drug abuse ,im happy to help but not to maybe help kill some one .
Of course ! Dont hesitate to help another person , Matthew 25 v 31to 46 ,may God bless you abundantly so that you can show others His love by helping them when you are able to do so .
God honors a cheerful giver. Tithing isn't really spoken of in the New Testaments. In the Old Testaments God asked His people to tithe a tenth which was an act of obedience, which went to help the poorer peoples of The LORD. So with that in mind, I would ask Father to bless the money n the one in need n I'm sure He will honor your request n bless you in return.
If we approach the throne as: Job 1:6, Job 2:1, John 1:12, 1John 3:1,2,
Philippians 2:1,
Hopefully these help
'because of the angels.'
What does this mean?
I might be misunderstanding your question but I think what it's talking about in 1 Corinthians Chapter 11 is that people were coming into the church and taking communion in an unworthy manner. This is not talking about fellowshipping together and having a potluck at the church.
1 Corinthians 11:29 says, "For he that eats and drinks unworthily, eats and drinks damnation to himself, by not discerning the Lord's body.
There's the key!
Jesus set it up so that when you take the bread or drink the cup, He said do this in remembrance of me.
When they took the bread and drank the cup, they were not discerning that these elements represented the Lord's body. They continued to eat it like it was a meal.
I am ok with fermented wine being used at communion since that is what Jesus used and the early church did, also. If someone is an alcoholic, then they could refrain from taking the wine and just have the bread of communion. I would rather follow the example set by Jesus than substitute something in place of the drink that represents His blood of the new covenant. But then again, if a congregation goes with just juice instead of wine, it is ok with me, also, because it was common in Jesus' time to have wine with meals. If it is common for people to no have alcoholic wine with meals now, then having juice as the drink of communion would equate to the wine of Jesus' time in that the cup is taken communally as meaning all share in the new covenant of Christ's blood by faith.
Throughout the history of christianity wine was always used for communion. Not just wine but sweet wine which was the type of wine used in ancient times Acts 2:13 "Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine." New wines are sweet, they contain glucose in large quantities. That grape fruit juice practice is a recent "invention" of the previous, or so, centuary.
Paul in his letter to Corinthians talks about believers who got drunk but to understand that we have to see how communion was performed in the early days. The communion was not done during the church service as probably nowadays most churches do. In Sunday evenings (Sunday was a working day at that time) believers sat on tables to eat together and the communion was done at the end of that supper, just like Jesus and apostles did on that day. So some believers had a bit too much of wine during the meal (not during the communion) and got a bit drunk. Others ate their food without expecting the rest, who probably were poor and had little or nothing at all to eat. So Paul adresses this sort of things. If you read the history of christianity, you will find out that those meals were called "agapes", from the greek agape which means love. That practise was kept until aprox. the middle or end of the 2nd centuary AD and was eventually abandoned since christians were then thousands and practically couldn't gather together in huge tables. So the communion was eventually transfered from the tables to the Sunday service. During emperor Constantine's time Sunday was declared a holiday and the church service together with the communion were transfered from evenings to mornings. A brief account of the practice of the early church.
GBU
I feel like in the days of old in the beginning of taking communion, real fermented juice was used, as Paul commented to the Corinthians that some drank and became drunken.
But today, we in the churches of God only use fresh juice that represents the blood of Christ. In this manner, we stop anyone from being drunken.
Question, would any of us as believers condemn any believer if they partook of fermented juice in communion as long as an amount would not be intoxicating ?
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
It was authored by Paul the Apostle and Sosthenes in Ephesus. In this chapter, Paul writes on the conduct of Christians while worshiping together.
God bless u and yours for another Easter under the sky.
Love u in Christ. John chapter 6 and 7
This act is the will toward man, that we can live and refresh ourselves, while living in the body of Christ!
We are no longer of this world, we now live, move, and have our being In Him.
What Jesus did the night of his betrayal, would become His eternal, everlasting, covenant with Promise toward man.
So remarkable! How He has sealed us. Sealing us with His blood, sanctifying Cleansing us with His body. We are new creatures, living and abiding in Him!
During their meal, Jesus then took a portion of bread (flat bread as eaten in the Middle East & Asia), blessed it & broke it & gave to His disciples. Jesus was showing them that soon He would have to die & His Body broken (put to death) on the Cross. They would now eat it, looking ahead to that time when "Christ must needs have suffered" in death for man's sins & there was no other way for man to be saved & acceptable to God, except by the Cross.
Jesus then offered them the cup, saying "this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins" & to "drink all of it". Jesus' shed Blood on the Cross looks back to the blood the Israelites placed on the doorposts & lintel of their homes when they were in Egypt. For them, it meant avoiding death in their families - for us who have put our trust in Jesus, it means that we have passed from death & punishment for sins, to new life in Christ. The Blood also showed that it was special - not animal's blood to just shield them from God's Anger, but the Blood of God's Son that guarantees us a complete forgiveness, healing, & acceptance by the Father to all who come to God through Jesus.
The disciples ate this meal looking forward to the Cross - we eat it now looking back with thanksgiving for what God accomplished for us through His Son, until He returns for us.
It is a reminder of the Lord Jesus and what He did for us at Calvary. And we need and remember in unison in this. (If i could have decided when and where i would have taken it every time there had been a meeting). But I do not get it: p
For then all who came had been united in one spirit. Be blessed dear friend in Jesus Name, 2 Timothy 1:7
There you get the answer dear friend. If there are issues that are uncertain for someone, it does not help and get help with it either. You can not go further than is given from Lights Father, in peace i say this.
Today I received words from 2 Peter 3: 14-18. So the proposal is that u take it up with the Lord Jesus. 1 John 1:5-10.
Now i have met many Christians from different denominations and some ladies are wearing a shawl. Whether it's important to them is their business. Sometimes i can feel that i am being pressured into it, then i also put something over. In joy i do so that others may be strengthened by my humility. But it is also through sorrow that the Holy Spirit is grieved by all the inventions of men. Your question is still open and some ppl here on the web may be able to answer you.
He constantly prays for us without delay, rest assured. Be blessed in Jesus Name, love u in Christ.
Abraham lived before Moses. I would think that when Ishmael descendants settled in the lands that God deeded to them.
Israel's boundaries were recorded in the scriptures and deeded to them through a covenant God performed with Abraham (and his legal wife Sarah); cutting the covenant.
The deed is still legal in Gods eyes. The fact that Israel gives land for peace; will be the issue of the end of time wars fought. Just because 5-6000 years have passed by, doesn't mean God has forgotten the original Covenant boundaries. People change. Not the Covenant.
I'm always amazed at the size of Israel, compared to the other kingdoms that exist on modern maps now. Not even 10 miles wide! Anyone could jog that every day of their lives. The promise that God made to Ishmael is much greater in size. To think God has become senile is ridiculous.
It is written: there will be a final battle fought at Armageddon. Only those who choose to stand with Jesus will live with him eternally. John 3: "you must be born again" from above.
Also, in my reading I find constant reference to the Law of Moses a law that is 4000 or 5000 years old and Jewish?
Regards Roy
I appreciate your response. Thank you.
If you have put your trust in Jesus, believing that He died to pay the penalty for your sin and that He rose from the dead and lives, and you have turned from your sin, then you have been declared righteous before God, even though we sin every day in thought, word and deed.
"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 1Jn 1:5-10 (KJVA)
"As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us." Psa 103:12 (KJVA)
However, although our sins have been forgiven, we may suffer consequences. Look at King David. He committed adultery with Bathsheba and had her husband murdered and then after he confessed his sin when confronted by the prophet, God forgave his sins. However, he suffered sever consequences of family turmoil and shame. God disciplines His children, not out of anger, but as a father. Read Hebrews 12.