1 Corinthians Chapter 14 Discussion Page 3

Gill's Exposition of:

For I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt; which, as some say, were his great-grandfather Cain, and his son Tubalcain: according to a TRADITION OF THE JEWS: it was after this manner; Cain being old, and blind, and weary, sat in a thicket among the trees to rest himself; when Lamech, who was blind also, and led by young Tubalcain hunting, who seeing Cain, and taking him for a wild beast, bid Lamech draw his bow, which he did, and killed him; but coming nearer, and finding it was Cain, was wroth and angry, and slew the young man: the ARABIC WRITERS, tell the story with a little variation, and Lamech being in the woods with one of his sons, and hearing a noise in it, supposing it to be a wild beast, cast a stone, which fell upon Cain, and killed him ignorantly; and the lad that led him said, what hast thou done? thou hast killed Cain! and coming to his wives, Adah and Zillah, said to them, hear my word, he that slew Abel shall be avenged sevenfold, but Lamech seventy times seven, who killed a man with a stone, and a young man by clapping of his hands. And Gills version: he was sorry for it, made confession of it; it was to the wounding and grief of his soul, which does not agree with the wicked race of Cain: the words may be rendered: "though I have slain a man, that is nothing to you, you are not accountable for it, nor have anything to fear coming upon you by reason of that; it is to my own wounding, damage, and hurt, if to any, and not to you [the murder of Abel should be avenged on them, this being the 7th generation in which it was to be avenged, Genesis 4:15]

Mishaels Opinion: I think TubalCain was "accidentally" killed. I first thought there was fist fight until I read this. All of the descendants of Cain died before the Flood.

The story of Cain is told by the Arabs he lived among, and by Jewish Historians. Hopefully these commentaries will end that discussion.

My apologies to you,

Gill's Exposition of:

For I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt; which, as some say, were his great-grandfather Cain, and his son Tubalcain: according to a TRADITION OF THE JEWS: it was after this manner; Cain being old, and blind, and weary, sat in a thicket among the trees to rest himself; when Lamech, who was blind also, and led by young Tubalcain hunting, who seeing Cain, and taking him for a wild beast, bid Lamech draw his bow, which he did, and killed him; but coming nearer, and finding it was Cain, was wroth and angry, and slew the young man: the ARABIC WRITERS, tell the story with a little variation, and Lamech being in the woods with one of his sons, and hearing a noise in it, supposing it to be a wild beast, cast a stone, which fell upon Cain, and killed him ignorantly; and the lad that led him said, what hast thou done? thou hast killed Cain! and coming to his wives, Adah and Zillah, said to them, hear my word, he that slew Abel shall be avenged sevenfold, but Lamech seventy times seven, who killed a man with a stone, and a young man by clapping of his hands. And Gills version: he was sorry for it, made confession of it; it was to the wounding and grief of his soul, which does not agree with the wicked race of Cain: the words may be rendered: "though I have slain a man, that is nothing to you, you are not accountable for it, nor have anything to fear coming upon you by reason of that; it is to my own wounding, damage, and hurt, if to any, and not to you [the murder of Abel should be avenged on them, this being the 7th generation in which it was to be avenged, Genesis 4:15]

Mishaels Opinion: I think TubalCain was "accidentally" killed. I first thought there was fist fight until I read this. All of the descendants of Cain died before the Flood.

The story of Cain is told by the Arabs he lived among, and by Jewish Historians. Hopefully these commentaries will end that discussion.

My apologies to you,

Teresa-in Reply to Godhead Genesis 11

I was shocked to read your statement about Cain's death. His name in Hebrew (Qayin) was not killed that way.

Please sir/madam, reading in the Hebrew language you will find the truth and then understand. I have never seen

fist fight in King James Bible either. Knowing Hebrew helps a lot.

Sister in Jesus Christ

But let me correct myself that this chApter could also speaking on the gift of the Holy Ghost BUT there is a difference in diverse tongues which is a spiritual gift but it must have an interpretation of spoken to men.love

Other tongues, those are spoken to God. It's between you & God. You will go forward & will receive power. Go preach the gospel in boldness. We must do so in love. Always in love

There is a difference in speaking in tongues as in Holy Spirit baptism. The Holy Spirit is the gift. Holy Spirit baptism in tongues is the utterance or a sign. Chapter 14 here is talking about spiritual gifts. It is those gifts given by God as he so desired to give. It's completely different. Even the first sentence of this chapter starts off by talking on spiritual gifts.

When I was desiring to be filled wthe the Holy Ghost, I spoke in tongues. It is also a sign, Mark 17. You will also receive power once that the Ho!y Ghost has come upon you. Acts 1:8. I'm in a small church. All speak in tongues.

Mostly they speak unto God & not to the church. It's a beautiful sound to hear.

I wouldn't say that the Book of Revelation is one of "chaos & confusion". True, much imagery is used in it, & things written of the future that may be hard to comprehend, but I would suggest that those who do find the Book confusing or chaotic, that they should seek to learn from it. One can find much help in reading & understanding the Book, but if there is still doubt, then it's best to leave the matter with God, pray for understanding & be watchful for things that will come to pass.

In it are the words of Jesus (as indicated in Revelation chapter 1) given to the Apostle John to declare the Mind & Acts of God during the final days of the Earth. If they are hard to be understood, then the problem rests with us & we should seek further light on the matter. In any case, the things that are yet to happen, should alert every reader of this Book (& indeed all of Scripture), to the terrors & judgements that await those who spurn God's Love for them & not giving heed to the state of their souls.

In my understanding of this subject & considering all relevant Scriptures, I don't detect that the Gift of speaking in other tongues has ever been done away with. There will be some who say that it has been, along with healing, miracles, etc. & they would cite some Scriptures in support, chiefly, 1 Corinthians 13:10 referring to the complete Word of God (that which is Perfect) now with us. And at the other end of the spectrum, there are those who maintain that unless one speaks in tongues, then one has not been baptized by the Spirit, hence not saved (using Acts chapter 2 as one of the Scriptures). And there are various opinions in-between.

I follow the understanding that if one has that gift, then one has to use it for God's Glory & as prescribed in the Word. 1 Corinthians chapters 12-14 are relevant for us to know how the gift is to be used in corporate ministry & private worship. The matter arises when a tongue is given that appears to not be a language unlearned, but as some describe it as 'babble'. Again, if this matter is unknown to the user of tongues, then Paul has prescribed the proper use of it. But often in some Churches, a corporate use of tongues in worship is given a special place which presents itself as a meaningless din to the non-participant, & this is not in accord with Scripture.

In any case, the Scripture is clear that though this was a sign of the reception of this Gift, it's certainly not mandatory to have it to prove the indwelling of the Spirit ( 1 Corinthians 12:30).

I'm confused, is speaking in tongues forbidden in the Bible or condoned, in modern time?

An "unknown tongue" is better translated as a "foreign language." Read the chapter with that in mind and you might realize that the turkey calling, mumbo jumbo or other unintelligible blathering that many call "speaking in tongues" is utter nonsense. God is not the author of confusion as verse 34 states.

God bless you sister Mary

There have been different movements in Church history.

From about 1500 we have the Lutheran churches who just believe that you are saved by faith, and do not need to live a holy life. From about 1700 we have the Wesleyan churches who believe you must also live a holy life. From about 1900 we have the Pentecostal churches which believe that after faith, and holiness, comes the Holy Ghost as a seperate event in your life.

These latter churches would emphasize speaking in tongues. Some even go so far as to say that speaking in tongues is the evidence of the Holy Ghost baptism. That is not true thought; Jesus said that when the Holy Ghost comes He will teach us in all things. So the evidence for the Holy Spirit is to accept the truth when it comes to you.

Peace & Love in Christ

Why is it some churches permit speaking in tongue and some do not?

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"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9

Pray this prayer with sincerity of heart

"Dear God, I believe in you and that your Son, Jesus Christ, is Lord. I believe in His sacrifice for my sins and His resurrection from the dead. I repent and ask forgiveness for my sins and I'm deciding now to follow you. Please, come into my life through the gift of your Holy Spirit. It is in the Lord Jesus' name that I ask and receive, Amen."

The Bible says doing these things with sincerity means you are a Christian (Christ follower) and will have eternal life in heaven.

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." 1 John 5:13

Use caution in trusting your feelings, as feelings change. Stand on God's promises- they never change.

Now is a good time to repent of things you have done. Get everything under the shed blood of Jesus. He's paid for all of your sins. Be straight with him. He knows everything we've done.

Ask him to send you some angels to keep you safe from the enemies of your soul. Block people on your phone who will try to tempt you to return to your old lifestyle. Ask God to bring you some new. Christian friends.

You are going to have to testify to old friends that you have been born again and are now a follower of Jesus. Don't let them laugh you out of your promise.

You're going to have spiritual warfare, so read your Bible every day. Start with Ephesians 6. Stay in Matthew through to 1,2,3rd John near the back. Speak it as you read it: it will stick in all 3 gates: eyes, ears, mouth.

Pray as if we were talking. Your own thoughts. Ask for and receive what you ask for. Believe you have it. The Holy Spirit is with you now. John 16&17.

Hit the REPLY button to email me. You're on my prayer list.

How to become a follower of Jesus Christ (Christian)

If you feel compelled to take your first step towards God, you can do that right now wherever you are.

1. Acknowledge the Problem: We have all sinned, and that sin separates us from God

No matter how good you think you are, no matter how many good things you try to do, it is still not good enough to get into heaven; it can't be earned but is a gift.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

"And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness; all these evil things come from within, and defile the man." Mark 7:20-23

2. Discover the Solution: Jesus

The only way for God to bridge the gap between Himself and us is through His Son, Jesus Christ. His death was a substitute for us; He paid the penalty for our sins.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God." I Peter 3:18

"Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is no other name under Heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

3. Respond: Believe, Repent, Confess, Accept Jesus as Lord and Savior

To be saved, we must believe that Jesus is Lord and believe that He died for our sins. This confession acknowledges before God that we are unable to attain righteousness on our own and that we accept His plan for our lives.

Otis, I prayed the Lord will reveal Himself to you and renew your mind so that you know Him in a personal way and have no more doubt!

1 Timothy 3:1-2 "A bishop should one wife" not a bishop should have one husband. 1 Corinthians 12:28 First God appointed " prophets in the church" NOT PROPHETESS IN THE CHURCH.

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints". As Paul begins to draw his letter to a close, he issues an important reminder about the character of God: for God is not a God of disorder but a God of peace. He is not the author of confusion, but is a God of order and harmony - and all His children, within the Church, should reflect this godly characteristic.

Kenneth, I pray for much fruit for your labor. God bless you.

God is clear about the topic. And so I am also clear. If I have said something that offends you please be clear.

I have no comments on women preacher/

or teachers. Although everyone agrees that God called Deborah to be a judge. Other women were prophetesses.

I was responding to the gay/ homosexual comment. Pardon me.

Thank you for the valuable instruction although it had no substance to topic. Women speaking in Church.

If people will read Genesis very slowly; note chronological events that match; it will make more sense. It takes more work on your part; and this generation is the NOW generation. I want it now and I don't want to work for it.

Also: the center columns are references to the alphabet or numbers that are within the verses. They expand the understanding of those verses.

At the entrance to this website is a search box. Bring up the verse you want answers to: then scroll down to the Commentary box. Lots of info in that.

Study to show yourself approved. So many subjects will be opened up to you, you'll really be blessed by your discoveries. You'll want to share them right away.

Sometimes you'll have to use google to find a verse you can't remember the words to.

Better yet, ask the Holy Spirit to help you study :D

Unfortunately, we have professing Christians who dont trust what Paul is writing came from God. They say those words are for differnt times in history. "Surely God knows, letting a woman speak in Church will be lovely and intertaining t the heart and pleasing to the eyes. Surely God must be confused about this?

Is God confused about Gay marriage too or/same sex marriage?

Is God confused about Abortion as well or is he only confused about what Paul said about woman? LOL...do you see the stupity in man / woman?

Excellent response! I agree that "Forbid not...." is not the final command on toungues and that a myoptic view of any scripture will always bring error or misunderstanding.

However, there are persons in the church who sadly make the crnter piece of their Christian lives communicating that "toungues" have past away and indeed all of God's ministerial gifts have past away." If I had not ever heard anyone speak in toungues I would still have faith in it because of "Forbid Not."

Thank you Jesse for your wise perceptions & 'correct dividing of the Word'. If I could give an illustration of a false tongue ( 1 Jn 4:1). At a Church meeting, that I was told about, a brother went forward to share a Word & proceeded to speak in an unlearned language. However, no one got up to interpret, so by rights he should have ceased & taken his seat. But as he continued, another in their midst listened intently & became increasingly agitated. He went forward hurriedly to the pastor/elder to immediately shut down the speaker. The elder enquired as to why he needed to do this. The man replied, that the speaker was in fact speaking in a language he understood (i.e. an actual unlearned language was being spoken), but the content of it was a series of utter blasphemies against the Living God & His Son. The question then: how can we know the Spirit behind the tongue if an interpretation is not given; is the Church edified in any way; or, is it just a 'confirmation' of an alive Church!

Chris, very well said, Amen! What you just said is the reason why I believe that what is going on in our churches today is not the tongues that the bible speaks of. In fact, what is going on today as far as tongues goes, it doesn't even come close to what was happening in the early church, and the purpose God intended it to be.

My guess on why Paul said forbid not to speak in tongues was because at that time, God was giving them that ability. Therefore, at that time, it would have been right for Paul to say that.

Acts Chapter 2 is a perfect example of tongues in its proper function. The Holy Spirit fell on these men, and they spoke in tongues. What they were speaking were known languages, not known to those who were speaking, but known by those who were hearing them speak.

Most of what is going on in our churches as far as tongues goes is in complete violation of 1 Corinthians 14:22.

If we take "Forbid not" as a command on its own, then you are quite correct that no one should forbid the speaking in tongues under ANY circumstances. Yet, all good biblical exposition requires that all Scripture, be understood in its proper context, with the background in mind & in line with other Scriptures. To use "Forbid not" as a command to speak in tongues without restraint (unless speaking/praying in private ( 1 Cor 14:4)), then we demonstrate a myopic & distorted view of the subject. The use of tongues is given to the Church as one of several gifts for its edification, but if there is no one to translate, then the gift is to be withheld, as the Spirit of God leads in the service. The instructions by Paul are ample in showing the correct use of this gift, more so because of its misuse & by those who wished to demonstrate a sense of superiority over others. And then, the opponents of the gifts quote 1 Cor 13:8-10: that all gifts are now redundant; but I don't share that view.

"Forbid not" means "FORBID NOT." It doesn't mean give my opinion or an accurate disputation about toungues being meaningless or interpretable, or etc.....Simply, humbly "Forbid not." What section of "Forbid not" is cofusing to you?!

God protected Nebuchadnezzar's kingdom so no one else would get it. After the seven years of punishment God gave it back to Nebuchadnezzar, we know this by the band of iron and copper that was put around the stump. You can find this at Daniel 4:18-37.

I am not sure but a good guess would be his son Belshazzar in Daniel 5: 20 But when his (Nebuchadnezzar) heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him:

21 And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses: they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will.

22 And thou his son, O Belshazzar, hast not humbled thine heart, though thou knewest all this;

23 But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lords, thy wives, and thy concubines, have drunk wine in them;

That would be my guess