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We explained earlier how Satan deceived this whole world ( Rev. 12:9) as confirmed in 2 Cor. 11:13-15 through the Religions of this world with the Mystery Babylon (The Roman Catholic Church) as its head and the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth (other Religions that followed).
John 3:19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
In my view,the preaching of the Gospel of GOD's Kingdom was beginning to be announced by JESUS,followed by the Apostles and disciples of the Lord,not to judge,but so that those who believed would be saved by knowing the Way,the Truth,and the Life.
As for"Judge not lest ye be judged",Paul Apostle explains it better than I do: Romans 14:1-12
1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye,but not to doubtful disputations.
2For one believeth that he may eat all things:another,who is weak,eateth herbs.
3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not;and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth:for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judges another man's servant?to his own master he standeth or falleth.Yea, he shall be holden up:for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteems one day above another:another esteems every day alike.Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord;and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks;and he that eateth not,to the Lord he eateth not,and giveth God thanks.
7For none of us liveth to himself,and no man dieth to himself.
8For whether we live,we live unto the Lord;and whether we die,we die unto the Lord:whether we live therefore,or die,we are the Lord's.
9For to this end Christ both died,and rose,and revived,that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10But why dost thou judge thy brother?or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?for we shall all stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ.
11For it is written,As I live,saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,and every tongue shall confess to God
12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God
But now,in the current time of Apocalypse,Judgment is given to the saints of the most High;the saints will possess the Kingdom( Revelation 11:15-18
Here's the importance of those Perfect Tense verbs in the Greek text:
Jesus is not giving them and the church the authority to go around binding and loosing. We see this in Matthew Chapter 18, and Matthew tells us that it has do with sin.
In 1 John 3:8, the word "loosed" is used for how Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. It is the word loosed.
When a person gets saved, they are loosed from Satan. So the church has authority to either bind someone to their sins or loose them from their sins.
What gives us that authority? It's something that has already been established in heaven!
Thou shalt bind that which has been bound already in heaven. It is a condition. And thou shall loose on earth things that shall have been loosed in heaven already.
So the church is here to declare that which has already been determined in heaven. We are only proclaimers!
What right do I have to tell anybody that they need to receive Christ and His death for them on the cross to be saved?
We (you and I) have the authority to tell people that we've got the key. We have got the key that unlocks the door. His name is Jesus!
If you receive Him, I have the authority to tell you that you have been loosed from your sins. If you refuse Him, I have the authority to tell you that if you continue to reject Him throughout your whole life, you'll be bound to your sins and you will die in your sins.
That is pretty authoritative! But I didn't make that up. That is the authority God has given to the church, you and I.
Never feel hypocritical for telling someone what has already been established in heaven and for something God has given you the authority to say!
I find that getting into arguments with those who don't want to listen is a waste of time. Yes, we should share the gospel message of salvation as the Lord leads, but what we have (Christ) is precious, and if someone refuses to listen, we simply walk away and not cast our pearls before the swine.
Now, is it wrong for us to "tell them that unrepentant sinners will go to hell?" No!
You say that you also feel somewhat hypocritical because it's not up to you to decide who goes to hell and who doesn't.
That is true. It is not up to us to decide. But, you should not feel hypocritical for telling someone that.
Please allow me to share this with you:
In Matthew 16:19, it says, "and I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven:" Here it is singular. But in Chapter 18 it is plural. So it is not just Peter, it is all of them!
Now, "keys" is a Hebrew symbol of authority. A person that had the keys was in charge. You can go back to some of the earlier documents in the Old Testament and see that the person that had the keys was in charge.
And some of the kings would get a little frustrated because whoever had the keys was in charge, and if you can't find him, of course you make the king mad, and they would have a new key bearer pretty soon!
He says I'll give you the keys. I'll give you the authority. We know that keys unlock things for entrance.
It says, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Let me share with you what it is literally saying from the Greek:
Whatsoever thou shall bind on earth, shall (have been) bound in heaven."
Please know that this is very important to understand, and I'll give it to you again. It reads "And whatsoever thou shall bind on earth shall (have been) bound in heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, shall (have been) loosed in heaven."
Thank You Jesse. I am constantly getting in arguments with a lot of the reprobates out there, telling them to repent and seek God and Jesus. I tell them that unrepentant sinners will go to hell. They don't want to listen and I also feel somewhat hypocritical because it's not up to me to decide who goes to hell and who doesn't
Thinking about these things gives me a headache. :(
You asked: How does Satan deceive this whole world? Rev.12:9
Revelation was written in the first century of Christian Era, at that time the Devil had already deceived mankind for around 4000 years, even JESUS was tempted by the Devil I suppose in Neguev, but Satan still had not 7 heads; The 7 heads was still in the embryo.
But now, in this current time of Apocalypse, around 2000 years AC, the body of the Devil will be completed with 7 heads, and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his 7 heads.His new name now is red Dragon-Rev.12:9-,and his TAIL drew (shall cast down)the third part of the STARS of heaven to the earth.(STARS? who are the STARS? Job 38:4&7 combined with Daniel 12:3).
When the red Dragon-Rev.13:11-gives his POWER,and his Throne in Jerusalem,and great Authority to the Beast of sea, upon which rides de great whore-the Roman Catholic Church-then the holy city will be trodden by the Gentiles- Luke 21:24 combined with Rev.11:2, and he will join Catholicism and Judaism(iron and clay- Daniel 2), then the body of Satan/the Dragon will grow exceedingly, but it will grow even more with the adhesion of evangelical churches whose angels are fallen or spiritually dead, these will form or constitute the TAIL of the Dragon, these will believe in the false messiah, the Beast that will rise from the earth(Israel, the clay, the dry land), a false lamb, a false messiah- John 5:43-47 combined from Revelation 13:11, then the Red Dragon's body will be complete with his 7 heads, 10 horns and a TAIL. By the way, the origin of the false messiah is of the 10 tribs of Israel,especifically of the trib of Dan- Genesis 49:17.
He will exercise all the power of the first Beast before him,will cause the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first Beast(of sea)whose deadly wound was healed.
And he will do great wonders,so that will make fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,and will deceive them that dwell on the earth by the means of...
What does the Word of GOD say for this current time, the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium? The Word is GOD, self-executable, understand?
Romans 6:2-3
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall Judge the WORLD? and if the WORLD shall be Judged by you(we), are ye(we) unworthy to Judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall Judge angels (ANGELS of the Churches: Revelation 2:2; and 2:9; and 2:14-17; and 2:20; and 3:1-3; and 3:7-8; and 3:14-18)? How much more things that pertain to this life?
Daniel 7:22
22 ... and Judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the Kingdom.
Revelation 11:15-18
15 ... The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
18 And the nations were (WILL BE) angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Get ready
1 Peter 4:17 - 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
John 2:28 - And now, little children, abide in Him; that, when He shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.
it wasn't a light things in Paul's day to be a Christian, one could experience the things that Saul did to Christians, before he became Paul.
you stated:
We are to judge those who are inside. Why? Because those inside the church who are involved in sin, they must be dealt with in order that they might repent."detailing a person who has not yet repented"
Paul's speaking about being a member of the body of Christ here, how can one be in the church, & has not yet repented?
a quote from William Penn
Sin is of one nature the world over. For though a liar is not a drunkard,
nor a swearer a whoremonger, nor either properly a murderer, yet they are
all of one church; all branches of the one wicked root, all of kin. They have
but one father, the devil, as Christ said to the professing Jews, the visible
church of that age. He slighted their claims to Abraham and Moses, and
plainly told them that "everyone who sins is a slave to sin" ( John 8:34).
The Jewish religious leaders did the devil's work, and therefore were the
devil's children. The argument will always hold upon the same reasons, for
as Paul said: you are slaves to the one whom you obey, ( Rom 6:16); and
said John to the church of old, "Let no man deceive you; he that commits
sin is of the devil" ( 1 John 3:7-8). Was Judas ever the better Christian for
crying, "Hail, Master," and kissing Christ? By no means; they were the
signal of his treachery; the signs given so the bloody Jews could identify
Him and arrest Him. Judas called Him Master, but betrayed Him;
he kissed, but sold Him to be killed; the same is the result of the
false Christian's religion.
how many who would call themselve Christian's today, members of His Body, fall underneath this judgment & be put away because of their continuing in sin?
society today is a direct reflection of the state of this false church of Rev 17 preaching you can be a Christian & yet continue in sin. Mark 7:7Titus 1:11
Thanks for returning and participating in our conversations.
Jesse answered you well. We are to take disciplinary measures to those within the church and we let the civil laws take care of those without the church.
Even so, like John the Baptist did to Herod and the Jewish leaders and also Jesus did to the Jewish leaders, we are to speak up for what is right and godly and call what is wicked sinful and against God who made us. We should call those outside the church to repent of their sinful lives and believe the gospel of Jesus. We are to also work in our communities and our civil rights to improve the culture of our neighborhood, city, and country. We are to work to alleviate want and suffering of others around us and stand up for those who are oppressed and mistreated. We are to speak against the things that lead to moral decay and protect our children from bad influences. We are to use our time wisely to fight against the evil of this world as the Spirit lead us to do. We can warn others about the reality of eternity in hell if they remain disobedient and in unbelief and certainly herald the freedom we have in Christ due to the redemptive work He has done for us knowing that our eternity will be spent with Jesus in perfect peace, love, harmony and goodness.
But final judgment of any person is up to the Lord. We can judge actions as being good or evil, righteous or sinful, God pleasing or offensive to Him. There is nothing said in Scriptures against doing such things for the benefit of others. But our motives and attitudes need to be holy in all things we say and do in regards to the sin in others.
In 1 Corinthians 5:12, as far as evaluation goes, Paul says for what have I to do to judge them also that are outside? Do not you judge them that are within?
1 Corinthians 5:13 is important. This is the evaluation. God judges those who are outside of the church. We are to judge those who are inside. Why? Because those inside the church who are involved in sin, they must be dealt with in order that they might repent.
And Paul says therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person, detailing a person who has not yet repented.
ELB, thanks for your message. I stand by the phrase "doing our (my) best to follow Him every day". Following Jesus is not easy and won't be in this realm. Adam took care of that and you and I and all of mankind have been paying the price of sin ever since. That's why He asked in Luke 6, why call ye me Lord, Lord and do not the things I say? He then goes on to say those who hear my sayings and does them are like the man who built his house on the rock. Then there's Ananias in Acts 9 who was told to go pray for Saul/Paul that He might show him those things Paul must suffer for His name.
Finally, in Romans 7:14-25, Paul relates the 'battle' that happens every day in all of us. The spirit versus the flesh. Thank God I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. But I have to persevere and not wander off or go back to the former self prior to conversion as Demas did to Paul in 2 Tim. 4:10. You're right when you say it's not my strength or ability, but Jesus. I have to choose Him daily. Not to be born again, mind you, but determined to follow Him, no matter what. I don't want to be like those who left following Him as recorded in John 6:66. Thanks for your time...
Good morning, Alex N. I think I become more amazed every day at the willingness of people of the faith (Christians) to ignore Scripture. Church discipline, judging, or any other topic that poses a 'problem' or uneasiness for us should be avoided at all costs tends to be the rule of thumb. What is Peter writing about in 1 Peter 4? Judgment must begin in the house of God. What do you think that means? Read the verses preceding it. God's house should always be a house of order. I'm not declaring it's perfect, of course not, for it's full of those of us doing our best to follow Him every day. Again, it's about those who declare a lifestyle of sin and still want the security of God's forgiveness and Heaven at the same time. God doesn't play that and never will. Jesus can't be your or anyone's Savior unless He's your Lord ( Romans 10:13). Don't forget the man Jesus healed at the pool of Bethesda in John 5, read the admonition Jesus gave him in v. 14. God makes us responsible for the gift of His salvation or healing. That's what repentance is all about.
As for the woman 'caught' in adultery, somehow they forgot to bring the man forth that she was with. I think when Jesus stooped down to write on the ground, Deuteronomy 22:22-24 may have been what He was writing. Sad how people always try to catch God on a technicality to serve their purpose or beliefs.
The Bible declares that we should study to show ourselves approved unto God, a worker that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth ( 2 Tim. 2:15). Trust me when I say that I make myself transparent with the Bible class I oversee. I point more fingers at myself than anyone, because I know that no good thing dwells in me save for Christ and His Spirit. The other part of my responsibility is to point to those who want to compromise their walk with God of the dangers that they are subjecting themselves to. I encourage you to reread 1 Cor. 5 and 6, Gal. 6:1-10, and 2 Tim. 3 (especially v. 5).
Mark love ya my Bro....But we should not Judge ,..Remember Jesus forgave the woman taken in Adultry...The woman taken in Adultry is everybody we all sin and come short of the Glory of God..Any thing not of faith is SIN.
.....We all go a whoring after materialistic things....Jesus said if we even look at a woman with adultry in our hearts we have commited Adultry Already in our hearts....and minds
.....When Jesus wrote on the ground a 2 nd time in the presence of the them that had the stones....It was just prophetic that he is gonna write in our hearts the 2 nd Advent that 2 nd covenant ....The Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (That New Covenant) has made us free from the law of sin and death...Thus there is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh but after the SPIRIT.
......But in the end he is gonna pour out his spirit on ALL FLESH...Which is his baptism of the H.G. and FIRE That refiners fire and fullers soap a cleasing fire... Mal 3 : 2 ...Anybody whos name is not written in his book will be cast unto the lake of fire...Which is Our old Adamic nature who is in rank with Satan who is not written in his book...If thy right hand offend thee cut it off which is in rank with Satan....Thats y Jesus is saying every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire...Thats everybody
......Our right hand takes his orders from our old adamic nature our carnal minds that is in rank with Satan....Thus its our carnal minds that is gonna be cut off....ok lemme go...I pray for your church Mark that Jesus wd sow a good seed in all your members hearts resulting in the birth of Christ in all of you....Thats y he has to KNOW US thats when the good seed will be sown in our hearts....Thats the New covenant i will know them all from the least to the greatest....Thats y Isaiah was saying KNOWLEDGE SHALL COVER THE EARTH AS THE WATERS COVER THE SEAS...Thats everybody... Isaiah 11
Suze GBU that was a good remark you made about Jesus not wanting anybody to know him....Thats y he always spoke in parables...It was not time for his children to be born which are SPIRITS...The H.G...The H.G. was not yet given simply b/c Christ was not yet Glorified....Thats y he told the woman if thou knewest the gift of God etc...which is the H.G. that CHILD OF PROMISE...His offspring, ..The Children of Promise...Had he not spoke in parables they wd have all conceived by hearing his voice the good seed..But is was not time for the kingdom to come....When the sower will go forth to sow his precious seed...The contents of the book that new Covenant..God says he will KNOW US ALL when the New Covenant is meditated..When the book is opened... Jeremiah 31 : 34...and revelation 5
.....That Woman in Revelation 12 : 5 is the world that is giving birth b/c of his seeds the words of that book in the fathers right hand... Revelation 12 :10 ...Plz note the Kingdom does not come till the woman has given birth to the manchild which is the H.G. that Children of Promise and the Woman is the world b/c Jesus said the field is the world where that good seed will be sown, in our hearts.
.....Jesus was telling this Samaritian woman of a another baptism of the H.G. That well of water that springs up unto everlasting life...Which is the gift of God ...An internal washing of our hearts....When Jesus said whosoever drinks of this water thats water baptism which will not quench our thirst for Salvation...But when he told her of the gift of God thats the baptism of PROMISE THE H.G...When we will neva thrist again for salvation....which is the H.G that Child of Promise...A baby Christ in us via his seed..That Womans Child that is gonna rule all nations...The world.
......This new covenant is very different then the old covenant...God says he will KNOW US ALL which is an intimacy that is gonna result in a birth of Christ in ALL of us....Thats y Isaiah said that KNOWLEDGE shall cover th earth
Part 2; Bible speaks often of gossipers, sounds like your Study group needs to spend more time on studying the WORD of GOD instead of judging and gossiping about this woman. This is what is meant in 1 Corinthians 14:34, people chattering in church, no gender here. Repent and let her study the WORD in peace for I ask you who committed the bigger sin?
You are indeed judging in my opinion. In the eyes of GOD they are married. Just because they don't have a piece of paper stating they are married, doesn't mean that they are not. When 2 come together making a commitment to each other they become 1. Fornication is different, this is when people don't make a commitment to each other but go out every Friday night looking for a different partner. Whenever a man spreads his skirt over a woman they became man and wife in the eyes of GOD ( Exodus 22:16). Quit judging her and study, rightly dividing the WORD.
Thanks Mark, for sharing with us this sad account. This is always a difficult area to deal with; the fact that she still wants to attend your Bible study & Church fellowship, may indicate she is trying to mitigate her sin, seeking God's Approval, by her being faithful to the 'Church'. She might even be giving that little extra in the offering plate. Unfortunately, each one of us has different perceptions as to how to live this Christian life. And as much as you're using the Bible to teach it, when it comes to applying it to the situation we're actually in, the distinction of right & wrong can sometimes become blurred, especially if we're out of step with the Spirit. Since she has co-habited previously, this will have 'softened' her once strong stand to never be repeated again, in her present relationship.
You have corrected her, the Word of God is being given her, & even the warning of Divine Discipline if the situation is not rectified. It's up to the Elders as to how to deal with her, but that too might be hard, if they are not inclined to do so or other matters of 'sin' are allowed to exist within the congregation. And I don't believe that you're judging her; God's Word needs to be shared in love & applied with all urgency, but as sinners ourselves, the Word is ever before us all, "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." And how many 'great' men have fallen because of their supposed infallibility. But we must remain prayerful & confident, that our work has been done - it is only the Spirit of God Who can speak intimately to her heart & grant her help & fortitude in this matter, restoring to full fellowship with the Lord.
In 1 Corinthians 5 and to a lesser degree, 2 Thess. 3:6-7, references are made to those who are disorderly or rebellious in nature. within the body of Christ. Church discipline in the 21st century is, for the most part, avoided or willingly ignored. I teach a Bible study group at our church and have a woman who years ago forsook living with her then-boyfriend after feeling conviction from a sermon she heard. Her repentance was evidence to us of her willingness to follow Christ. Then, several years after that and a new preacher taking over the pulpit at our church, she got a new boyfriend and subsequently moved in with him. Today she attends church regularly and continues to come to my Bible study before the regular church service. I have had conversations with her about her current lifestyle and the truth that she is no longer following Jesus, just her desires. Her end will not be the kingdom of God. She has said she wants to marry, but he (boyfriend) hasn't felt the need to.
The Word of God is full of those who had to make very difficult decisions to obey and follow God, no matter what. My wife reminded me that I should not 'judge' her since I sin every day too. I reminded her that's true, but the difference is the fact that my daily sins/transgressions vary in nature and frequency. The sins of those described in Corinthians and Thessalonians involve a lifestyle choice and a flagrant disregard for the things (commands, ordinances) of God. Those others in the class know of her situation and are concerned also. I'm trying to contact our Pastoral staff and find out what they recommend. Personally, I think this calls for tough love. Matthew 13 refers to Christ's parable of the wheat and tares. Maybe this is the one that leaves an 'out' for those uncomfortable with the topic of church discipline. May God help us and enlighten us by His Holy Spirit to learn the differences and proper utilization of them within the church itself.
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
In the Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894 Bible translation of the above passage, the Greek word for patience is (Strong's Concordance G5281) which means "endurance."
John 3:19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
About your question:Matt.7:1-2 and Luke 6:36-37
In my view,the preaching of the Gospel of GOD's Kingdom was beginning to be announced by JESUS,followed by the Apostles and disciples of the Lord,not to judge,but so that those who believed would be saved by knowing the Way,the Truth,and the Life.
As for"Judge not lest ye be judged",Paul Apostle explains it better than I do: Romans 14:1-12
1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye,but not to doubtful disputations.
2For one believeth that he may eat all things:another,who is weak,eateth herbs.
3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not;and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth:for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judges another man's servant?to his own master he standeth or falleth.Yea, he shall be holden up:for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteems one day above another:another esteems every day alike.Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord;and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks;and he that eateth not,to the Lord he eateth not,and giveth God thanks.
7For none of us liveth to himself,and no man dieth to himself.
8For whether we live,we live unto the Lord;and whether we die,we die unto the Lord:whether we live therefore,or die,we are the Lord's.
9For to this end Christ both died,and rose,and revived,that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10But why dost thou judge thy brother?or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?for we shall all stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ.
11For it is written,As I live,saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,and every tongue shall confess to God
12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God
But now,in the current time of Apocalypse,Judgment is given to the saints of the most High;the saints will possess the Kingdom( Revelation 11:15-18
(Part 2):
Here's the importance of those Perfect Tense verbs in the Greek text:
Jesus is not giving them and the church the authority to go around binding and loosing. We see this in Matthew Chapter 18, and Matthew tells us that it has do with sin.
In 1 John 3:8, the word "loosed" is used for how Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. It is the word loosed.
When a person gets saved, they are loosed from Satan. So the church has authority to either bind someone to their sins or loose them from their sins.
What gives us that authority? It's something that has already been established in heaven!
Thou shalt bind that which has been bound already in heaven. It is a condition. And thou shall loose on earth things that shall have been loosed in heaven already.
So the church is here to declare that which has already been determined in heaven. We are only proclaimers!
What right do I have to tell anybody that they need to receive Christ and His death for them on the cross to be saved?
We (you and I) have the authority to tell people that we've got the key. We have got the key that unlocks the door. His name is Jesus!
If you receive Him, I have the authority to tell you that you have been loosed from your sins. If you refuse Him, I have the authority to tell you that if you continue to reject Him throughout your whole life, you'll be bound to your sins and you will die in your sins.
That is pretty authoritative! But I didn't make that up. That is the authority God has given to the church, you and I.
Never feel hypocritical for telling someone what has already been established in heaven and for something God has given you the authority to say!
God Bless!!!
I find that getting into arguments with those who don't want to listen is a waste of time. Yes, we should share the gospel message of salvation as the Lord leads, but what we have (Christ) is precious, and if someone refuses to listen, we simply walk away and not cast our pearls before the swine.
Now, is it wrong for us to "tell them that unrepentant sinners will go to hell?" No!
You say that you also feel somewhat hypocritical because it's not up to you to decide who goes to hell and who doesn't.
That is true. It is not up to us to decide. But, you should not feel hypocritical for telling someone that.
Please allow me to share this with you:
In Matthew 16:19, it says, "and I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven:" Here it is singular. But in Chapter 18 it is plural. So it is not just Peter, it is all of them!
Now, "keys" is a Hebrew symbol of authority. A person that had the keys was in charge. You can go back to some of the earlier documents in the Old Testament and see that the person that had the keys was in charge.
And some of the kings would get a little frustrated because whoever had the keys was in charge, and if you can't find him, of course you make the king mad, and they would have a new key bearer pretty soon!
He says I'll give you the keys. I'll give you the authority. We know that keys unlock things for entrance.
It says, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Let me share with you what it is literally saying from the Greek:
Whatsoever thou shall bind on earth, shall (have been) bound in heaven."
Please know that this is very important to understand, and I'll give it to you again. It reads "And whatsoever thou shall bind on earth shall (have been) bound in heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, shall (have been) loosed in heaven."
I am out of space so I need to send a part 2
Thinking about these things gives me a headache. :(
But, where does "Judge not lest ye be judged" fit in???
You asked: How does Satan deceive this whole world? Rev.12:9
Revelation was written in the first century of Christian Era, at that time the Devil had already deceived mankind for around 4000 years, even JESUS was tempted by the Devil I suppose in Neguev, but Satan still had not 7 heads; The 7 heads was still in the embryo.
But now, in this current time of Apocalypse, around 2000 years AC, the body of the Devil will be completed with 7 heads, and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his 7 heads.His new name now is red Dragon-Rev.12:9-,and his TAIL drew (shall cast down)the third part of the STARS of heaven to the earth.(STARS? who are the STARS? Job 38:4&7 combined with Daniel 12:3).
When the red Dragon-Rev.13:11-gives his POWER,and his Throne in Jerusalem,and great Authority to the Beast of sea, upon which rides de great whore-the Roman Catholic Church-then the holy city will be trodden by the Gentiles- Luke 21:24 combined with Rev.11:2, and he will join Catholicism and Judaism(iron and clay- Daniel 2), then the body of Satan/the Dragon will grow exceedingly, but it will grow even more with the adhesion of evangelical churches whose angels are fallen or spiritually dead, these will form or constitute the TAIL of the Dragon, these will believe in the false messiah, the Beast that will rise from the earth(Israel, the clay, the dry land), a false lamb, a false messiah- John 5:43-47 combined from Revelation 13:11, then the Red Dragon's body will be complete with his 7 heads, 10 horns and a TAIL. By the way, the origin of the false messiah is of the 10 tribs of Israel,especifically of the trib of Dan- Genesis 49:17.
He will exercise all the power of the first Beast before him,will cause the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first Beast(of sea)whose deadly wound was healed.
And he will do great wonders,so that will make fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,and will deceive them that dwell on the earth by the means of...
Many will ask the question; How does Satan deceive this whole world?
As a master deceiver he transformed himself into a false apostle and into an apostle of Christ through the Religions of this world ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15).
Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).
Praise GOD
What does the Word of GOD say for this current time, the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium? The Word is GOD, self-executable, understand?
Romans 6:2-3
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall Judge the WORLD? and if the WORLD shall be Judged by you(we), are ye(we) unworthy to Judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall Judge angels (ANGELS of the Churches: Revelation 2:2; and 2:9; and 2:14-17; and 2:20; and 3:1-3; and 3:7-8; and 3:14-18)? How much more things that pertain to this life?
Daniel 7:22
22 ... and Judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the Kingdom.
Revelation 11:15-18
15 ... The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
18 And the nations were (WILL BE) angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Get ready
1 Peter 4:17 - 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
John 2:28 - And now, little children, abide in Him; that, when He shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.
Again,
t wasn't a light things in Paul's day to be a Christian, one could experience the things that Saul did to Christians, before he became Paul.
The persecution separated the chaff, from the wheat.,
the Way became to straight & narrow for most. Matt 7:14
it wasn't a light things in Paul's day to be a Christian, one could experience the things that Saul did to Christians, before he became Paul.
you stated:
We are to judge those who are inside. Why? Because those inside the church who are involved in sin, they must be dealt with in order that they might repent."detailing a person who has not yet repented"
Paul's speaking about being a member of the body of Christ here, how can one be in the church, & has not yet repented?
a quote from William Penn
Sin is of one nature the world over. For though a liar is not a drunkard,
nor a swearer a whoremonger, nor either properly a murderer, yet they are
all of one church; all branches of the one wicked root, all of kin. They have
but one father, the devil, as Christ said to the professing Jews, the visible
church of that age. He slighted their claims to Abraham and Moses, and
plainly told them that "everyone who sins is a slave to sin" ( John 8:34).
The Jewish religious leaders did the devil's work, and therefore were the
devil's children. The argument will always hold upon the same reasons, for
as Paul said: you are slaves to the one whom you obey, ( Rom 6:16); and
said John to the church of old, "Let no man deceive you; he that commits
sin is of the devil" ( 1 John 3:7-8). Was Judas ever the better Christian for
crying, "Hail, Master," and kissing Christ? By no means; they were the
signal of his treachery; the signs given so the bloody Jews could identify
Him and arrest Him. Judas called Him Master, but betrayed Him;
he kissed, but sold Him to be killed; the same is the result of the
false Christian's religion.
how many who would call themselve Christian's today, members of His Body, fall underneath this judgment & be put away because of their continuing in sin?
society today is a direct reflection of the state of this false church of Rev 17 preaching you can be a Christian & yet continue in sin. Mark 7:7 Titus 1:11
in love & truth Rev 18:4
Good to hear from you once again.
Thanks for returning and participating in our conversations.
Jesse answered you well. We are to take disciplinary measures to those within the church and we let the civil laws take care of those without the church.
Even so, like John the Baptist did to Herod and the Jewish leaders and also Jesus did to the Jewish leaders, we are to speak up for what is right and godly and call what is wicked sinful and against God who made us. We should call those outside the church to repent of their sinful lives and believe the gospel of Jesus. We are to also work in our communities and our civil rights to improve the culture of our neighborhood, city, and country. We are to work to alleviate want and suffering of others around us and stand up for those who are oppressed and mistreated. We are to speak against the things that lead to moral decay and protect our children from bad influences. We are to use our time wisely to fight against the evil of this world as the Spirit lead us to do. We can warn others about the reality of eternity in hell if they remain disobedient and in unbelief and certainly herald the freedom we have in Christ due to the redemptive work He has done for us knowing that our eternity will be spent with Jesus in perfect peace, love, harmony and goodness.
But final judgment of any person is up to the Lord. We can judge actions as being good or evil, righteous or sinful, God pleasing or offensive to Him. There is nothing said in Scriptures against doing such things for the benefit of others. But our motives and attitudes need to be holy in all things we say and do in regards to the sin in others.
In 1 Corinthians 5:12, as far as evaluation goes, Paul says for what have I to do to judge them also that are outside? Do not you judge them that are within?
1 Corinthians 5:13 is important. This is the evaluation. God judges those who are outside of the church. We are to judge those who are inside. Why? Because those inside the church who are involved in sin, they must be dealt with in order that they might repent.
And Paul says therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person, detailing a person who has not yet repented.
Hope this helps?
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Does this mean that Christians should judge Christians and not waste their breath on the infidels???
Finally, in Romans 7:14-25, Paul relates the 'battle' that happens every day in all of us. The spirit versus the flesh. Thank God I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. But I have to persevere and not wander off or go back to the former self prior to conversion as Demas did to Paul in 2 Tim. 4:10. You're right when you say it's not my strength or ability, but Jesus. I have to choose Him daily. Not to be born again, mind you, but determined to follow Him, no matter what. I don't want to be like those who left following Him as recorded in John 6:66. Thanks for your time...
I have a question?
Is the best you can do, good enough?
Maybe it's not our doing, but Christ's doing.
Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .... Christ in you .....
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) working in you (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into HIS (Christ's) REST, he has ceased from his WORKS .....
We are the BODY, Christ is the LIFE.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keeps MY WORKS unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations ....
God Bless You!
As for the woman 'caught' in adultery, somehow they forgot to bring the man forth that she was with. I think when Jesus stooped down to write on the ground, Deuteronomy 22:22-24 may have been what He was writing. Sad how people always try to catch God on a technicality to serve their purpose or beliefs.
The Bible declares that we should study to show ourselves approved unto God, a worker that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth ( 2 Tim. 2:15). Trust me when I say that I make myself transparent with the Bible class I oversee. I point more fingers at myself than anyone, because I know that no good thing dwells in me save for Christ and His Spirit. The other part of my responsibility is to point to those who want to compromise their walk with God of the dangers that they are subjecting themselves to. I encourage you to reread 1 Cor. 5 and 6, Gal. 6:1-10, and 2 Tim. 3 (especially v. 5).
.....We all go a whoring after materialistic things....Jesus said if we even look at a woman with adultry in our hearts we have commited Adultry Already in our hearts....and minds
.....When Jesus wrote on the ground a 2 nd time in the presence of the them that had the stones....It was just prophetic that he is gonna write in our hearts the 2 nd Advent that 2 nd covenant ....The Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (That New Covenant) has made us free from the law of sin and death...Thus there is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh but after the SPIRIT.
......But in the end he is gonna pour out his spirit on ALL FLESH...Which is his baptism of the H.G. and FIRE That refiners fire and fullers soap a cleasing fire... Mal 3 : 2 ...Anybody whos name is not written in his book will be cast unto the lake of fire...Which is Our old Adamic nature who is in rank with Satan who is not written in his book...If thy right hand offend thee cut it off which is in rank with Satan....Thats y Jesus is saying every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire...Thats everybody
......Our right hand takes his orders from our old adamic nature our carnal minds that is in rank with Satan....Thus its our carnal minds that is gonna be cut off....ok lemme go...I pray for your church Mark that Jesus wd sow a good seed in all your members hearts resulting in the birth of Christ in all of you....Thats y he has to KNOW US thats when the good seed will be sown in our hearts....Thats the New covenant i will know them all from the least to the greatest....Thats y Isaiah was saying KNOWLEDGE SHALL COVER THE EARTH AS THE WATERS COVER THE SEAS...Thats everybody... Isaiah 11
.....That Woman in Revelation 12 : 5 is the world that is giving birth b/c of his seeds the words of that book in the fathers right hand... Revelation 12 :10 ...Plz note the Kingdom does not come till the woman has given birth to the manchild which is the H.G. that Children of Promise and the Woman is the world b/c Jesus said the field is the world where that good seed will be sown, in our hearts.
.....Jesus was telling this Samaritian woman of a another baptism of the H.G. That well of water that springs up unto everlasting life...Which is the gift of God ...An internal washing of our hearts....When Jesus said whosoever drinks of this water thats water baptism which will not quench our thirst for Salvation...But when he told her of the gift of God thats the baptism of PROMISE THE H.G...When we will neva thrist again for salvation....which is the H.G that Child of Promise...A baby Christ in us via his seed..That Womans Child that is gonna rule all nations...The world.
......This new covenant is very different then the old covenant...God says he will KNOW US ALL which is an intimacy that is gonna result in a birth of Christ in ALL of us....Thats y Isaiah said that KNOWLEDGE shall cover th earth
You have corrected her, the Word of God is being given her, & even the warning of Divine Discipline if the situation is not rectified. It's up to the Elders as to how to deal with her, but that too might be hard, if they are not inclined to do so or other matters of 'sin' are allowed to exist within the congregation. And I don't believe that you're judging her; God's Word needs to be shared in love & applied with all urgency, but as sinners ourselves, the Word is ever before us all, "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." And how many 'great' men have fallen because of their supposed infallibility. But we must remain prayerful & confident, that our work has been done - it is only the Spirit of God Who can speak intimately to her heart & grant her help & fortitude in this matter, restoring to full fellowship with the Lord.
The Word of God is full of those who had to make very difficult decisions to obey and follow God, no matter what. My wife reminded me that I should not 'judge' her since I sin every day too. I reminded her that's true, but the difference is the fact that my daily sins/transgressions vary in nature and frequency. The sins of those described in Corinthians and Thessalonians involve a lifestyle choice and a flagrant disregard for the things (commands, ordinances) of God. Those others in the class know of her situation and are concerned also. I'm trying to contact our Pastoral staff and find out what they recommend. Personally, I think this calls for tough love. Matthew 13 refers to Christ's parable of the wheat and tares. Maybe this is the one that leaves an 'out' for those uncomfortable with the topic of church discipline. May God help us and enlighten us by His Holy Spirit to learn the differences and proper utilization of them within the church itself.
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
In the Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894 Bible translation of the above passage, the Greek word for patience is (Strong's Concordance G5281) which means "endurance."
Thankyou very much.
Of When a person feels in there heart,they have trespassed like,direct to God.
And would like to do something about it.and to know the results.. Real Good thing one can do is a 'Fast for Forgiveness'
Discovered that during a fast,a person is like building a foundation/structure or adding to one
After the fast.the person receives the reward,reaction to it all
God with his Mysterious ways n Powers,Transforms.Humility into Royalty,Grace,Understanding...thats the Reward
While the fast is going on, Weekness is Transformed into Strength..its powerful
Experienced,when a person wants something extra from God
Really helps to do something extra for him
not to keep on, couple other's on this expounded subject
Its not what goes into a person that defile n corrupts.its what comes out
another is,Loose lips sink ships..not biblical but God owns evrything..ha
He can raise a ship from the bottom midst of the sea, make it stronger then ever