1 John Chapter 5 Discussion Page 2

Cynthia, you are correct. The Bible does not condemn consuming alcohol as long as it is done in moderation. One can have one's choice of alcoholic beverage occasionally or even often and not sin. It is when it becomes a compulsion or someone gets drunk on purpose, where it becomes a sin because it affects your mind and body in a way that can lead to further sin through poor judgment and it dulls one to the move and work of the Spirit within us.

I, myself, rarely have a drink with alcohol in it. I do use it in some dishes I prepare. My husband's family is full of people exhibiting alcoholic behaviors. So, I made the decision to not drink with them when we were first married 42 years ago, as I wanted to be clear minded and always ready to be a positive witness for Jesus.

Cynthia Like what's been shared everything in balance knowing what you can handle and still be a witness

if you like a glass of wine a day big deal but if you can't live without it different situation again balance. We

control things they don't control us.

Cynthia,

In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul is telling Timothy "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities."

The water in those days was very polluted and people were becoming diseased from it. And people in those days took a small amount of wine and mixed it with water. In those days, it was 9 parts water and 1 part wine. (Nothing like our wine today). Back then, it did not have the alcohol content, the fermentation as our alcoholic beverages do today. It took quite a while for you to drink, and that's why the wedding feast would last an entire week. It took a long while to get drunk! Today, a person can actually get drunk pretty quick on wine. But they took a little wine for their stomachs sake. It was for medicinal purposes because of how bad the water was.

And it's kind of interesting that if you notice how it's worded, it's a command, because Timothy doesn't want to go near this stuff. In fact, back in 1 Timothy 3:3, one of the characteristics of the overseer is that they're not given to wine. So Timothy is saying "I'm staying clear of that stuff." And so Paul has to command him, take a little wine for your stomachs sake, and for your often infirmities.

Obviously Timothy was a sick person, not in good health. And he was told to take a little wine for his stomachs sake. Paul just got through telling him to keep yourself pure, and so he has to mention this to him because Timothy is wrestling with this issue about keeping himself pure.

As far as if it's okay to have a glass of wine or not, something we need to take into consideration is Romans 14:23 where it says that which is not of faith is sin. Understanding that the word faith literally means persuasion, one must ask before indulging in a glass of wine if it is the Lord persuading them to do so? I'm not trying to be judgmental, but this is something we need to consider in all things. Whatever we are doing, is it under the Lord's persuasion?

Hello... I believe things God made are not sinful to use in moderation. Jesus's first miracle was turning water into alcoholic wine. If it any use was sinful He would not have done this. So, it's ok in moderation. It's also like playing with fire for those with who struggle with limits and self control- they should not have any wine whatsoever. If something causes you to sin cut it off completely than risk a very bad outcome: Matthew 5:30.

Nearly everything can be abused. Almost any food or herb or vitamin when taken in excess will become toxic. Sugar or caffeine for example. Overeating is very bad on the body. Too much medicine is harmful and addictive, like painkillers. Our bodies are a holy temple and one could say are not even ours (on loan from God) so we are to respect it as such. People in this life struggle with temptations and hugely abuse their bodies, even church leaders and pastors. Similar to 1 Timothy 3:5 one might question if they can't take care of their God-given bodies how they can take care of others in the church.

God bless...

The bible states that drunkenness is sin, but it does not really say that a glass of white wine occasionally is sin.; so my question is why do so many pastor want to preach that it is sin.

Just a few scriptures here about drinking wine. 1 Timothy 5:23; Ephesians 5:18, and Ecclesiastes 9:7; I am saved, but months into the pandemic I started drinking a glass of wine;

I used to not even go in a restaurant that served alcohol, but since the pandemic I have had white wine to drink.

Please clarify this for me.

Thank you

Evelyn,

Verse 16 says that if any man see his brother (That is, a Christian), sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death.



You see, it's God's will that if I see a brother or sister involved in a sin that is not unto death, (And that's the rejection of Christ), I can pray for every born again believer, and God's life will minister to them, because God will not allow His people to live in habitual sin. And I can pray according to His will. But then he goes on to say that there is a sin unto death: And I do not say that he shall pray for it.

Verse 17 says that all unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. So, all unrighteousness is sin. That's the non-believer. And there is a sin that's not unto death.

All the sins that Christians commit are not unto death. The only sin in the bible that is unto death is in Matthew 12:31-32. Jesus said wherefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

And whosoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

The Holy Spirit is here to convict people of their need of Christ. If you reject His testimony, you have committed the unpardonable sin. So what John is saying is that I can't pray for someone who is rejecting Christ. I can't pray for them to get saved because that's between them and God. I just pray for His will to be done.

Please explain 1 John 5 verse 16 and 17 thank you

Marilyn T - I'm not sure what you mean "bring back the comment section"? Your post is in the comment section as is I my reply.

9-30-2021

We are waiting for the discussion to open up for sharing . I know that God does hear my prayers and I also pray for

others. I pray for the whole World and God's people everywhere.

Please bring back the Comment Section. That was great to hear how others Are overcomes and blessed by God.

Thanks!

Grace Speaking from experience also very nice God Bless

If you stand fast in Christ Jesus, then i believe that the Devil is unable to touch you if you have no accusations! However, a accusation opens the door wide open for the Devil to touch your flesh! But we who believe in Christ, kno that the key is repentance! We no die bcuz we sin, we die cuz we no repent! Admit, surrender to Christ with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and Christ will always be there to protect. The devil cannot touch a strand of hair from ya! That i truly believe & i speak thru experience!

Hi Teresa

If it's Grace you receive today, But becomes a debt tomorrow then it never was Grace.

It would be more like an I owe you .

John 19:30. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said,

IT IS FINISHED: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Now we believe and receive Him.

God bless

Is once in grace always in grace in the bible.

I am first thankful we would like to see more Godly children Preach like Ezekiel warn, then show WORD Christ Jesus in U.S.A. this is our new year Prepare ... put your Armor on resist the World Angels will fight and at the last we will call him God.

It's accurate but with out the spirit of truth it's not understood. You don't get it you made that clear

Hello Ronald,

That scripture is accurate......or is it?

When you go through all the particular subject matter, you will find blistering contradictions that are enough to make you shake your head. What is the meaning of this perpetual catch 22? In my humble opinion, such mistakes cheapens the Word of God. I shouldn't have to bend over backwards to defend an obvious editing error; it makes me look foolish.

Bless you

Acts 17:26

And hath made of one blood all nations.



Every single human being, no matter what their race or nationality, all came from one person. Everyone has the same blood.



And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;



God has everything planned. He is sovereign.

1 John 5 v 7

For there are 3 that bare record in heaven ( that's a witness) 3 agree in their witness . Not 3 are the same person . That's not possible .

Any more than the spirit , the water , and blood being one substance .

It's they all are one in witness to the truth .

What does Acts 17:26 mean ?

Dear Sister Margaret,

I am Sorry for the typo: I meant to say you will find God's 10 Commandments in your bible at Exodus Chapter 20, verses 1-17.

God Bless

Dear Sister Margaret,

You will find God's 10 Commandments in your bible in Exodus chapter 20 verses 1-17.

You will find many, many references to these commandments throughout your bible in the old and new testaments.

Jesus and his apostles followed God's ten commandments. And Jesus said:

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Jesus also said:

John 15:10

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

You will find there are many people today, even on this web site that will minimize or disregard God's 10 Commandments.

God Bless

Hi Margaret.

1 John 5:1-2. Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and EVERY ONE THAT LOVETH HIM THAT BEGAT LOVETH HIM ALSO THAT IS BEGOTTEN OF HIM.

(( BY THIS WE "KNOW" that we LOVE the CHILDREN OF GOD, ))

when we love God, and keep his/Jesus commandments.

When we keep "THESE" commandments which is wrapped in Love and empowered by the Holyspirit we "KNOW" WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD.

In the context of Johns writings its not the 10 commandments.

Here is what's believed to be those commandments.

1 Thessalonians 5:12-28. And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

Rejoice evermore.

Pray without ceasing.

In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

Quench not the Spirit.

Despise not prophesyings.

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Abstain from all appearance of evil.

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Brethren, pray for us.

Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.

I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Hi, can you please tell me where I can find and read and know what the Ten Commandments are?

Thank you

No, Jason. You cannot marry a woman whose lawful husband lives. You will be commiting adultery if you do.

Luke 16:18

It does not pertain to women to teach in a church meeting. They are to keep silence.

Dogs are in context of Philippians 3:2 those who oppose salvation by any other doctrine that teaches works of the flesh and not faith alone in the finished work of The Lord Jesus Christ.

I'm going to scripture with my 15 year old SON. How much interpretation is needed? Examples?

Amen!

Grace & peace to you from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

There are not 3 persons in the Godhead.

Lord says he is God alone! There is no one with him in the Godhead!

Isaiah

40: 25 - God says he has no equal.

41: 4 - God says he is the first and the last: I am He.

42: 8 - God/Lord says he will not share his glory with another.

43: 10, 11, - The Lord says he is savior alone, there was no God formed before or after him.

44: 6, 8, 24: God says he is first and the last, no God with him, he knows no one with him. He made the heavens and earth alone.

45: 5, 6, 14, 18, 21, 22. - There is no God beside him. There is none else.

46: 5, 9 - No God equal with him, there is none else.

48: 12 - Says I am he, the first and the last.

In conclusion, if there are 3 persons in the Godhead/diety, you will have 3 Gods.

Scripture shows God alone is in the Godhead/deity.

And his name is JESUS, who is the Almighty:

Revelation 1: 8, 11, 17.

Zechariah 14: 9.

1 John 5: 20:

We know him that is true, we are in him that is true, in his son Jesus Christ, the true God!

Jason,

I don't know of any place in scripture that keeps a woman from preaching. I think both men and women are free to preach the gospel message.

However, even though a woman is free to preach all she wants, she is not allowed to be in a position of authority over the men in the church. In other words, she is not allowed to pastor a church where she would be placed in a position of authority over the men.

Therefore, she cannot teach. A pastor must be both a preacher and a teacher. I would have to take some time in the scripture to give you a more detailed answer but would be more than happy to do so if you wish. If you just want some verses, I can give you those. But if you want an explanation, I would need a little more time.

As for marrying a divorced lady, that is debatable, but not able to answer without knowing the circumstances of her divorce, and I'm not going to ask.