1 Samuel Chapter 1 Discussion Page 2

Wisdom is the truth, knowledge, and fear of God found only in the written word of God.

Read my response/s to Jesse when they appear on this thread. Direct your questions or comments to that response/s first. Thank you.

(cont) in the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts of the Bible. Agape is a higher form of unconditional, Godly love and philia is a lesser form used for friendship or brotherly love. The ignorant criticize the KJV translators for translating "agape" simply as love. The truth is the Greek words agapao/agape and phileo/philia overlap in the manuscripts, and there's no discernible difference between the two in the Scripture. For example, 2 Samuel 13:15 says, "Then Amnon hated her exceedingly; so that the hatred wherewith he hated her was greater than the love wherewith he had loved her. And Amnon said unto her, Arise, be gone." The problem is that both agapao and the cognate agape can refer to Amnon's incestuous rape of his half sister Tamar. Also, backslidden Demas who loves the world with agape love. "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica;" 2 Timothy 4:10. There's John 3:35 that says, "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand,"; later John 5:20 says, "For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth." The Father's love for the Son, which is without question the greatest love, is described as "agape love" in one instance and "phileo love" in the other, and by the same author, John. Houston, we have a problem. The point is there isn't a way to know what kind of love each of these Greek words is referring to in Scripture. Context is key. Bottom line, the Bible's been translated into English, and the 47 translators of the King James Bible did an inerrant, infallible job. You and today's scholars and translators, not so much. Knowing Greek is fine for reading and understanding Greek myths and literature, but not for reading and understanding Scripture, which is God's written word. One thing more, I don't care that you consult the Greek to study your Bible, but I do care when you imply or suggest that it's better to defer to the Greek to know the truth of Scripture.

Jesse, The crux of my argument is that the translating of the Scripture has been done by the 47 translators of the King James Bible. God's written word is preserved in the KJV. I also contend that today's Greek and Hebrew scholars do not possess the knowledge that the 47 KJV translators possessed when they translated the Greek and Hebrew words into English. Your "scholarship" in the Greek doesn't measure up to the scholarship possessed by any one of the 47 translators. In their time they were the best of the best. I seriously doubt that you would be considered among the best of the best, even by today's standards, in our time. You ask how looking up words in the Greek and Hebrews causes confusion when you have an example right in front of your face. We both gave definitions for sanctification; mine came from looking at the Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language and the English definition; yours came from looking at the Greek word HAGIOS and its definition in Greek. The definition I gave for the sanctification, you're not going to find in the Greek. But your definition, set apart, was the second definition in Webster's. I chose because because Scripture teaches that God does the sanctifying in believers. Another better example of the confusion created by consulting the Greek is the word "Easter" in Acts 12:4 in the KJV. The ignorant argue that it's a mistranslation of the Greek word "pascha" and should it be translated as "passover." The Greek word "pascha" is used for both passover and Easter, so consulting the Greek offers no solution to question: Was Herod was referring to Easter in Acts 12:4 ort the Jewish passover? The answer is revealed in the Scripture. BTW, the KJV translators were right to translate pascha as Easter, and not as passover. Another problem for the smarter-by-half Greek geeks is the word love. The most common words for love in Greek are agape, eros, philia and storge, and philia and agape are the words that appear (cont)

IMKane What is the definition of Wisdom?

IMKane I won't deny that the kjv translators did a decent job in translation, that being said to make the statement that the knowledge of the original languages is nonsense is a little over the top considering the bible was originally written in greek hebrew and aramaic. Just looking at a concordance for greater understanding in the mind of what was meant helps me understand a lot of principles better. An example of research work is YESTERDAY WAS THE BIRTHDAY OF JESUS CHRIST SEPT 11th 3bc. Now some one can go outrageous I don't believe that get out of here, or look into it yourself with scripture and astronomy remember the star! which is the true science of the solar system then make up your own mind. But to sit back and say that can't be so isn't honest, biblically were supposed 1 Thessalonians 5 :21 Prove all things hold fast to that which is true. The Word of God is true so we prove or try all things against Gods word. In his Service

I don't believe in WOKE. It's a lie of the Devil. Just a newly hatched BUZZWORD to trick people into thinking all is hopeless. Let me share some Personal Testimony. I don't brazen this around, because to me the experience was humbling and holy. It's mine. It's not a book. It's not sensational. It happened.

After 2 years of having God peel layers of me, like an onion; I found myself bare, I had nothing I could depend on for help or support. I was laid bare. I hid my fears in alcohol mixed with opioids. I took comfort in thoughts of suicide by accident. Only one problem: a child I loved with my heart. I lived day to day. Every day I struggled to wake up (I think an angel said) "if you don't stop it, you will leave your child alone!! It was like a cold water slap.

On Yom Kippur 1985, I had done a compatibility horoscope chart for a backslid Methodist I frequently went drinking with. I interpreted the chart. When I was done, she said these words: it seems to have truth, BUT THE BIBLE SAYS THIS IS WRONG! 2 Timothy 3:5

As she was speaking, the Lord sorta peeled (reality) her face to the side. I was staring face to face with a vision of Jesus riding a white horse.

I had no knowledge of the Bible. His eyes stared into mine and all the air in me left. I could not speak. I hear an echo of THE BIBLE SAYS THIS IS WRONG over and over; His eyes piercing the fibers of my soul. My friend grabs her stuff and leaves quickly. The vision ends. All I can think is WHY does the Bible say it's wrong?

I looked in the Bible I had never read. After an hour I laid my head on it and said I DESERVE TO DIE. Then I saw hell in my kitchen floor, and an invisible Hand extended to me from the ceiling.

I took the HAND. I was delivered.

Jesus is Real. He's beautiful. His eyes are so full of love. He is righteous. He called me at 5yrs old but I got lost in my teens. He cares about every detail of our lives; every single day.

Don't doubt. Believe Him. Mishael

Faith is the substance of things hoped for. Scholars , biblical and otherwise are sinners and will find the truth only in and th

Are you called by God?

Understanding it, when it happens can be difficult! When it happens, you will know it! Being at the right place at the right time is impossible to know! You see, it is the will of God, only He knows! Many call it being woke today! Only woke is not a calling from God. Woke is an idea, that you somehow can tell God what is right and needful for humanity! Living under the law! dictating His will for man. A very false calling and doctrine of failure! Without faith it is impossible to please Him. The laws of the universe, the promises of God through faith in Christ, is what it means to be woke! The new woke without the will of God, will bring only death and darkness!

Repent and be baptized

IMKane,

You say that "People who consult the Greek or Hebrew for the meaning of verses or the definitions of words are not Greek or Hebrew scholars and do not possess the knowledge to accurately translate the Greek and Hebrew words into English." That is not true. There are many Greek and Hebrew scholars today who possess that knowledge.



How does consulting in the Greek and Hebrew lead to confusion? I have learned to read Greek, not just look up words, but I actually read Greek the same as I would pick up an English bible and read from it. It causes me no confusion. In fact, I find that it helps me tremendously in my understanding of what the English text is saying. For me, reading from the Textus Receptus is far greater than using search engines and dictionaries to get understanding. I find that most of the time I use a search engine to look up a verse, there are several pages that come up, and they don't all agree with each other. I would say that causes confusion!



If using search engines and a dictionary helps you understand scripture, then that's great for you. But others should have a right to learn the original languages if they so choose. The Greek has helped me. It is an exact language, unlike English and Hebrew, which are very general languages. When you have a very general language such as English, that's where the confusion comes in, and that's why we cannot agree with what the English text is saying, because English words can have multiple meanings. But not so with the Greek! It is an exact language, and I think the Lord knew what He was doing when He chose that language for the doctrinal section of the New Testament.

Personally, I think that that if it was required for every person going into the ministry to master the original languages, we wouldn't have so many denominational churches. So many churches are split today because they cannot agree with what the English bible is saying, and many of them do use the KJV. Go figure!

If you want the truth in Scripture, Paul, don't waste your time looking up the Greek and Hebrew words for the meaning of Bible verses and the definition of English words. The KJV translators were superior scholars and were fluent in Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. God promised that He would preserve His written word, and He used those 47 KJV translators to do just that. When you read or study Scripture, use a search engine and pull up Webster's 1828 dictionary to look up the definition of a word used in the KJV. Consulting Greek and Hebrew words only leads to conflict and confusion, and God is not the author of confusion. People who consult the Greek or Hebrew for the meaning of verses or the definitions of words are not Greek or Hebrew scholars and do not possess the knowledge to accurately translate the Greek and Hebrew words into English. The KJV translators already did that job more accurately than any of the wannabe translators ever could. Wisdom is justified of all her children Luke 7:35. Peace.

Paul,

The word sanctification means set apart. It comes from the Greek word HAGIOS. The words sanctify, sanctification, Holy, and Saint all come from the same word, HAGIOS.

A saint is someone who has been set apart, sanctified (HAGIOS) for God's purposes. The term Holy Spirit describes what kind of Spirit He is. He is a Spirit that has been set apart from all other spirits.

If you mean sanctification, the words means God's grace acting to make His elect holy by purifying and alienating them from sin and the world. He is making them vessels fit for His use, purpose, and glory.

"But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:" 2Thessalonians 2:13

Hi Paul I don't see what you are referring to.

what dose sancticationed mean

The Bible

Bryce , a Christian is never ever alone and all scripture is very helpful but I find the Psalms most comforting and calming when this life starts to get me down a bit , the story of David's life is very comforting also , here is a man ,very much a human being with all of the common weaknesses ,who makes many mistakes and commits not a few sins and yet he loves God very much and is very much loved by God , he is the perfect example of a human who isn't perfect in his behaviour but learns from his mistakes and never completely looses touch with his Creator dispute having to live a very worldly wise life .His actions are told in the books of Samuel Kings and Chronicles but we can get to know his heart through reading the Psalms . Enjoy the love .

What should I read to have a strong prayer life and walk with God through triles and tribulation even when I stand alone.

bible is the best

Samuel was of the Tribe of Levi

Preceded by Eli

Judge of Israel

Anointed Saul, King of Israel

Rebuked Saul

Anointed David, King of Israel

Elkanah lived in the mountains of Ephraim ( 1 Chronicles 6:16-30, 33-37); the Tribe of Levi was assigned to dwell in certain cities that were scattered throughout the tribes of Israel (Book of Genesis 49:6-7; Book of Numbers 35:6)

This is why Samuel could offer sacrifices. Levites did not have land of their own, but were scattered among the tribal allotments. Elkanah's tribal genealogy is made clear in I Chronicles 6:16-27. There the descendants of Levi down to Elkanah are listed. He was a descendant of Kohath, whose descendants were scattered throughout Judah, Simeon, Benjamin, Ephraim, Dan, and Manasseh ( Joshua 21:9-26). Verses 26-27 list the parallel to the I Samuel passage: "... Zophai his son, Nahath his son, Eliab his son, Jeroham his son, Elkanah his son" (ESV). To be sure, variant names are given in the two passages: Zophai and Zuph, Nahath and Tohu.

Would like to know what tribe was Samuel from?

Verse 6 shows that Peninnah showed no mercy to Hannah. We must make sure that we don't kick anyone while they are down or make their life more difficult.

Let me ask you something. Is your son born again? That is, has he accepted Jesus as his Savior?

And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young. How old do you think Samuel was when he was weaned? I would guess between 2 and 3 years old.

The days we are in now, are the worse to see. Stay close to God. Keep the evilness away. Put the armor of God around you whereever you go. The words of God-- deep in your heart whenever the enemy comes in a weak moment. Stand strong always! Watch your surroundings. Prepare every day for a challege. Tackle it with the sword of God's Word. Praise His Holy Name!!!

My God is my Strength when l need Him. He is my Protector when l am lost. He is the Everlasting Love in my Life. I Pray to Him when l am in need. What can mankind do to me when He is so close. NOTHING!!! For my God is protecting me at all times. As He did His Son Jesus-- so will He do me. All l do is ask for direction from Him, in this Sinful World. And He leads me away to Safety.

I thank God for all things. Those who seek God and wait on God, if it is in his will their prayers will be answer.

"The Lord remembers, and Hanna releases"

V. 27 Father, thank You for being faithful as we pray and wait.

John 3-16

I really, admire Hannah's character. She's so honorable, imagine, even after being bullied by Penninah, her co-wife she could not tell her husband what was going on! She kept everything to her heart. Even when they were in church she prayed in her heart-poured out her soul unto her God. Not like what happens nowadays in our churches where we shout on top of our voices for everyone to hear.