1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 Discussion Page 11

Thank you and God bless you. It is nice and wonderful. God bless you for these translations and scripts. The scriptures are still alive.

There is no where in the Bible the word rapture whoever started this is wrong my understanding is when Jesus comes back he is only coming once but by saying there is a rapture your saying Jesus comes down takes us up and then comes down again That is not true Jesus is coming once only once and I will never understand who has the right to add words to Gods word that isn 't even there Teach the truth because we have the right to know the truth.

When the rapture comes only those who meet the requirements of this age, will raise from the dead to meet Jesus in the clouds. the rest of the dead from law or old testament days will remain in the grave until Christ second coming when he will sit on the throne of his glory. right after the battle of Armageddon. then he will set up his millennium empire on earth.

Debra those that have died are with Christ and will return with Him. No spirit or soul is in a grave 6 feet under. Those that are with Christ return with Him and He brings them and at the 7th trump we will ALL change and meet them when they return here on earth. Not a fly away anywhere just here when He sets up His throne.

As Jesus spake in John3:5 Except to any man who is not Born Again in Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. We must accept and invite the Holy Spirit to dwell in our lives and be Born Again in Spirit as Jesus have commanded us. Jesus loves us so much and He is not only blessing us but Jesus wants our Soul to be save in Jesus name. We must obey God 's commandments and do good things that pleases our God 's eyes. Our Father loves us and Jesus is faithful to his promises that he will never ever leave us nor forsake us. After all what Jesus have done on the cross sheding his precious blood, we must now believed on Jesus that he is the Son of the Living God who saves us and gives us everlasting life. We must walk with Jesus by faith and not by sight. Amen

1 THESSALONIANS 4:13-17 COMMENTS 3 22 15 1:54 PM In these particular verses, Apostle Paul portraits the saints what would be happen according to the word of the Lord in time of meeting in the air. As said in 1 CORINTHIANS 15:13 God bless through our Lord Jesus Christ. A-men.

WHO WILL LISTEN ? There are at least 5 differences quoted in scripture between the Rapture and The second coming of YESHUA so be happy that these are separate events.

Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead and your life is hid with Christ in God. You must back up scripture with scripture. When I got born again I was raised to new life in my spirit with Jesus Christ. When my body dies dead I will be raised to have a new body with God and Jesus.. Therefore I will be dead in Christ : but I will be raised to life with Jesus . Lord : Descend : voice : trump. Raised. That is what I see in the scriptures.

Won 't it it be awesome to see Christ Jesus come again and be caught up in the clouds with Him. He will be with all our brothers and sisters who have died in the Lord already. What comfort! I have a faithful grandmother I want to see again. Praise God!

Part 3 of 3 God has not changed. He is still pouring out his spirit upon all flesh. When God does not fill the people then they start making up all kind of stories to excuse why they did not get it. However, the simple truth is that they have not truly repented in their heart. One thing God cannot do and that is lie. His word is the truth. Therefore, when Peter stated on the day of Pentecost that the promise is for everyone, Acts 2 39 God still honors that today.

Part 2 of 3 The reason why people are not being filled with the Holy they Ghost is because truly have not let go of the world in their heart. God looks at the heart of everyone. Repentance is a godly sorrow that will affect emotions, 2 Corinthians 7 9 and 10. When God looks at the heart and sees that a person is truly repented then there is a circumcision of the heart pricked in the heart this prompts a true repentance of emotion, Romans 2 29, Colossians 2 11, Acts 2 37.

Part 1 of 3 Lot s wife was turned into a pillar of salt because she disobeyed and looked back into that sinful place. She was destroyed with them, Genesis 19 26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt . She had not truly let go of the world. This is what is happening today.

To Robert and Kenneth Hagan this is 7 from word of comments made. Read Daniel chapter 11 vs 20 and on about the vile one and how he takes over in peace and flatteries and don 't believe the preachers who tell you that he comes to chop off your heads so you better get saved to rapture out before the big bad mean devil gets here for 7 years of hell on earth. Satan will be here as Revelation 9 says 5 months shorten for the elect sake. The stamp of 666 is in your forehead, your brain meaning ignorant of the word and 666 on the hand means they are working the one world system along helping antichrist. As far as the evangelist you need to dig deeper into the truth.

To Robert and Kenneth Hagan this is 6 from word of comments made. They think he is God because he looks just like Christ and speaks just like Christ would speak and has power just like God and gives us anything we want so they follow their god in spiritual death and why do they do it from not seeking the scriptures and because they were told by preachers that Satan comes as a man of war who would take over the world with dead flesh everywhere and you have to take a stamp of 666 to eat and buy and sell but he comes to deceive the whole world and he doesn 't want to kill your flesh because he wants your soul.

To Robert and Kenneth Hagan this is 5 from word of comments made. Now up until the 7th trump all death or dying in Revelation is pretty much spiritual death. When a third dies here or their it means they jumped in the sack with the false Christ. Antichrist will be a pleaser to all religions and all will except him as god because of his sword of power which is his mouth of lies and with his power and miracles performed they will believe he is God because with him bringing lighting from the sky and sitting in the temple saying he is God and controlling every move made they will fall into place of worshiping him and what does he say follow me I 'm going to fly you out of here so come with me and gather around me now so we can go and they will be gathering in the churches of Satan and making sure they have a ticket to fly away but they are not going where they think.

To Robert and Kenneth Hagan this is 4 from word of comments made. Let us be with the Lord and in His protection and covered by His wing because He is going to fight a war with fire mixed with hail on His return and you want to be under His protection by waiting for Him on His return and any person who has gathered around the first false Christ and stands with him when the True Christ returns or get caught in his churches of Satan with their love for their false fake husband and didn 't wait for the True Husband but took the false one and his false peace and false loving kindness and who believed his spilled flood of lies and listened to him that they were going to rapture out to who knows where will burn like chicken wings on an open fire with the antichrist.

To Robert and Kenneth Hagan this is 3 from word of comments made. This cloud in vs 17 is street Greek as used in Hebrews 12 vs 1 when Paul was speaking of the spiritual race we must run to have the victory. Cloud is crowd, pack of people, gathered group. What is said is we will all gather in a crowd with the Lord on His return at the 7th trump. Them that have died and passed on are a live with Him on His return and us that have remained on earth in the flesh and we will all be caught up in the air spiritually meaning not stratosphere but the new breath of life in spiritual bodies as they all have on their spiritual bodies on their return so we will be just like them on earth in spiritual bodies in a twinkle of an eye.

To Robert and Kenneth Hagan this is 2 from word of comments made. Now when we died we just shed the flesh and rise to Father with our soul which is our self and our spirit bodies which is also contained within our flesh body. Immediately when you pass over your in your new spirit body casting off the flesh to the earth. So what Paul is saying them that have died have cast off their flesh and are living with the Father and will return with Christ at the 7th trump. So in vs 15 and 16 Paul is saying we that remain that are here on earth and are breathing air in the flesh living life all that have remain until the 7th trump can 't stop the dead that rose first and are a live with Christ because they are coming here with Christ to set up His Kingdom on His return.

To Robert and Kenneth Hagan this is 1 from word of comments made. Let us look at this in truth the way God wanted us to see it through Paul and not the way the world and there traditions on men teach it. The subject is in verse 13 where are the dead or asleep. Paul trying to console and comfort people who had lost loved ones to death in the flesh and telling them not to be in sorrow as the people who have no hope as unbelievers do. Paul starts with telling them that if you know Christ rose from the dead then know that your loved ones have also rose from the dead when they died as Christ did. We have a God of the living and not of dead.

Hello Kenneth Hagan I think I understand what you are trying to say. A lot of people confuse the second coming of Jesus Christ with the Rapture. They are two different events, but they are both very real. The rapture is going to take place, 1 Corinthians 15 51 thru 52 and 1 Thessalonians 4 12 thru 18. He will be in the air awaiting those who are asleep and those who are alive and remain that have put on the name of Jesus Christ by following Acts 2 38. Both groups will be caught up to meet him in the air. The actual second coming of Jesus Christ is when he actually comes back to the Earth with the church to fight and defeat the antichrist, overthrow evil, and reign for a thousand years, Revelation 19 11 thru 16 and Revelation 20 4. However, this still does not negate the fact that the Rapture will take place, John 17 17 Sanctify them through thy truth thy word is truth.

There is only one more coming of Christ just like scripture says and there is no private understanding. I will stand in any church or group and use only the KJV Bible and prove it at any time and let the people hear and be the judge.

Hello Robert and Word Please read the story of Nicodemus and his conversation with Jesus Christ, John 3 1 thru 8. To sum it up, Nicodemus had already addressed the issue about being born of a woman. He asked Jesus can a man enter the second time into his mother s womb and be born. Then Jesus answered and said to him, That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again . The Jailer of whom you speak of in the Bible him and his house was baptized, Acts 16 33. Baptism is so important to the salvation plan that Paul, being whipped with stripes baptized the Jailer and all his. Please read the whole story of the conversation of the Jailer with Paul and Silas.

Robert you were right and that evangelist was wrong that 's why I tell people to really check out in the scriptures what they hear from people who say they are Christians. We all must take heed that many will come in Christ name to deceive. Keep in the Word of God and don 't listen to preachers cause you have it right.

Evangelist Chatauna Robinson everything you teach is traditions of men and religion not helping to find truth. Examples Tongues happen twice. First the example given on that day of Pentecost and it will occur again when the elect speak in tongues when antichrist is on earth during that hour of temptation. Then you think your going to fly away! Satans lie to gather people to gather to die. It 's not in the Bible.

Hello Robert Revelation is broken up into past, present, and future. This battle was in the past not in the future of the tribulation to come. There will be other fights that will go one with Satan during the tribulation period. When Michael kicked Satan out of heaven he was not allowed to come back into heaven, Revelation 12 8 And prevailed not neither was their place found any more in heaven. Satan is the prince of the air. If I can say it like this he is the prince of this air, Ephesians 2 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience

Rev.12 is telling us what is happening during the Tribulation period. Satan is cast out Rev12 9. It can not be before the creation because Job 1 6 says that Satan presented himself before God. Job was certainly written after Genesis and Satan was still able to enter heaven. Rev 12 9 happens in the middle of the Trib. period. Job 41 is prophesy of this event. Also man is born in the FLESH mothers womb which means water in John3 5 its explained in John3 6. We are not saved by water. Water has nothing to do with a christians salvation,read acts 8 37 38. He was saved and then baptized. When we are saved we are saved immediately we do not have to wait till the future Acts 16 30 31 The jailer was saved right then. Here again we are filled with the Spirit when we are saved John 3 5.

Hello Word You are mistaken. I do not teach traditions of men. If I did then I would be teaching the wrong baptism. I teach from the word of God, from the Apostles doctrine. I am filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence in speaking in other tongues as the spirit of God give utterance. I do not agree with a lot of these revised versions and interpretations from people who are not filled with the Holy Ghost or not inspired. They do not have the insight on what to take change without damaging the context and meaning of the scriptures. I did my research and I know that there is very little change from the original Dead Sea Scrolls, to the Great Bible, to the King James Version. Not only have I been filled with the Holy Ghost by the grace of God, but I have set up under some wonderful teachers who has were also filled with the Holy Ghost. I have given scripture for everything I have stated, I believe. Therefore, I am not ashamed. For the scripture 2 Timothy 2 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

evangelist chatauna robenson where ever God is heaven is. We were on earth at that time but I understand where your coming from because you teach traditions of men and I got ahead of myself in speaking and thinking the scriptures. Turn out the lights was between Gen. vs 1 and verse 2. Revelation 12 is an out line of the Bible and you can learn from it. Google search Companion Bible Appendixs and scroll down to appendix 146 that will help you begin your study of Genesis and may help you.

Hello Word I am afraid that you are mistaken. The fight in Heaven, which Revelation 12 7 thru 9 talks about happened before man was created. God had Michael the Archangel cast Satan down upon the Earth with some of his angels. It does not say that God got mad and turned off the lights. Light in this realm was not created until the first day of creation. It does not say that man was spirits on the Earth either. It does say however, that on the sixth day God created man and breath into him the breathe of life and he became a living soul. In regards to John 3 5 these are Jesus words. If you are referring to verse 4 when he states that which is born of Spirit is Spirit Jesus is talking about the future saved man. He was talking prophetically about the man who will be filled with the Holy Ghost. Remember Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh therefore he knew during the time of this conversation what was to come.

I believe a person should be baptized and study the word but as far as what John 3 is about it is like I said. You most likely don 't know we lived on earth in the first earth age in spirit bodies and Satan stole a third of God 's children then God got mad and turned out the lights. Then Matt. 13 verse 36 44 began taking place.