1 Timothy Chapter 2 Discussion Page 3

Amen, Thank you Carl!

May they hear the true words. Glory be to the Father and son forever, and so let the holy ghost be glorified in us. amen!

May they hear the true words. Glory be to the Father and son forever, and so let the holy ghost be glorified in us. amen!

Good morning Carl, I like what you have written. It is the Spirit behind what is being written that also counts. Christians do need to prove the spirit of the lives and words of other Christians so that God in Jesus by his Holy Spirit can refine us as brethren and make us alike enough to be a light and witness to others by example. This website is a place of words, even quoting the Bible very well and to the letter has a weakness and that weakness is that we the reader and the professor of Peace in Jesus Christ can not see the peace, grace, joy and freedom in each other's lives as our neighbors see us.

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John 6 verse 39

And this is the Fathers will which hath sent me , that all of which he hath given me I should lose nothing , but should Raise it up again AT THE LAST DAY .

Verse 40 And this is the will of him that sent me , and EVERYONE that seeth the Son and believeth on him , May have everlasting life and I WILL RAISE HIM UP AT THE LAST DAY .

There is no other way but through JESUS , any other way is another gospel .

I like what you wrote.

Evidently, some decide to divide the apostles, gospels, and old testament. By this they apply the long suffering and grace of God which is given to the poor of his people (Fatherless and widows) to the rest of those made just and righteous. We are purged through the remission of sins, given to us by the offering of Jesus Christ himself. Now, he is able to have compassion to those out of the way and afar off.

Moreover, the simplicity of the gospel speaks of how one may have faith by believing God sent Jesus and that he came from God. Being freely justified we are forewarned to walk in the truth. We are ordained unto good works. The branch that withers may fall as did the Jews before, so that they were cut off by unbelief. It is not whether you are truly saved, but that you do just judgement, delight in mercy, and walk humbly with your God (Micah). And, the just shall live by his faith (Habbakuk). He will perform his promise to Abraham who believed and also perform the truth to Jacob(Micah). We are all one body and Jacob dwells in Samaria and Jerusalem.

Let us not set a brother at naught and despise the long suffering of God. Also, let us take heed to Peter in his second book. There he mentioned Paul and his explanation of the gospel as the long suffering of God, which brings salvation, but many will be led away by the error of the wicked. God is able to make us pass under his rod and root out the rebels (Ezekiel). He is not willing that any should perish and he has sealed us with the spirit of promise. He is able to present us blameless before God, even his children that are cast out and whose flesh is eaten by the haughty man. The least shall be the greatest, so every man shall live by his faith.

On 1 TIMOTHY 2:4

By nature every person is born in sin through the sinful seed of their natural fathers and conditioned therein ( 1 Peter 1:23). For that reason and in order to become a son of God, which are born of God, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God, a person must be 'Born Again' ( John 1:12,13; 3:3-7; 1 John 3:9; 5:4).

By attending a man-made institution a few hours a week ( Acts 7:48; 17:24), does not mean that a person can make a claim that they are followers of Christ and 'Born Again'. That is falsehood, as in truth they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; Rev. 12:9). This is how Satan has transformed Himself into an angel of light ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15).

Only through 'True Repentance' will God be able to reveal Himself, and adopt you as His sons and daughters ( Rom. 8:15,23; 2 Cor.6:18; Gal. 4:5; Eph. 1:5; Hebr. 12:5; 1 John 3:1).

The word 'Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).

For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9), and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( John 14:17).

You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), It is only by revelation of God that you will come to know Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1). It is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life'.

There's a lady I know how she use to have long hair but over the years all of a sudden it got so short that now she is so unhappy about it because her hair just wont grow again. Her hair on her head has stopped growing.

Please send me scriptures that encourages Women's hair to grow very long speedily

I have heard a thought that at least warms my heart when thinking about the time period after death and before the Marriage Supper.

Some Christian cultures as folks are coming to a wedding have an meal or gathering perhaps the evening before. Because of long distance traveling the hour of the gathering is somewhat flexible to allow as many guest as possible to arrive. The guest arrive and mingle together in the fellowship of the Saints and likely speak of in a calm happiness the events that are so soon to take place while waiting on more guests to arrive.

Hello Ms White,

I don't know exactly what happens after a person dies, but while I've examined some NDE stories, I believe what God inspired in the Bible. Yours is an intelligent question. You clearly see that the act of being sent to either Heaven or Hell is in itself a judgement. So true because it's sound logic

The word "judgement" in Revelation 20 is a direct word-for-word translation of the ancient Greek word for judgement. It's unfortunate for this chapter because the old Greek meaning must've been different. The important key when translating is to translate the meaning - so word-for-word is not always meaningful between different languages of different cultures at different times. (The KJV isn't a literal translation, btw).The meaning of 'judgement' has been lost because no translator has ever been trained, tested &certified by an independent board, the way NAATI translators need to be before translating modern languages for the U.N. So, these so-called translators really didn't know what a dead ancient language sounds like and they can't be 100% sure of it's grammar

But the true meaning can only be "sentence". Just like modern courts, Judgement Day is Sentencing Day to send body&soul to the 2nd death in that Lake

Rev 20:11-15 >The "dead" are souls, in resurrected bodies, who haven't heard of our God and/or did but didn't want to know. It likely isn't believers too because Jesus gave us eternal life ( John 3:16) &we do have a renewed spirit because we are born again ( 1 Peter 1:23), so we can't be called "dead". But we could also be present on this Sentence Dlay just to see it because some religious leaders& scholars now teach a newer idea, since the 19th or 20th C, that there is a separate judgement for believers regarding the quality of our works - that's based simply on 1 or 2 verses about a "seat" of Christ ( Rom 14:10). That debate isn't relevant here, but I'll just squeeze in that the text also refers to a judgement of everyone, dead or living ( Rom 14:9)

I know its popular to say that at funerals and to comfort those mourning, but I don't believe it's true. They might be in a 'better place' however, just not heaven, because all must wait for judgment. Also, it says the dead will rise to meet Jesus in the air. I'm sure it will be spiritual bodies, not physical ones that have rotted. It wouldn't make sense otherwise if people went straight to heaven to then go back to earth to an old body just to raise up and meet Jesus in the clouds, just for the ceremony of it. So, both scripture and logic refute that idea. Most people believe this because of Jesus telling the other guy on the cross that he would be in paradise. First, Jesus can pick whomever he wants to have special treatment- it doesn't automatically mean 100% of others will follow suit and ignore the other scripture. Secondly, paradise may not necessarily mean heaven. Paradise could be an intermediary place of rest or waiting. Just some thoughts. No one knows 100% until it happens. We just have scripture and logic.

Briefly, if we have not been Caught Up in the clouds to meet Jesus yet:



Our bodies or our ashes, remain in the ground.

Our spirit and soul ascend to heaven to await "the Rapture", when our bodies will ascend into the clouds to be transformed into our eternal bodies that will never get sick or die. If our earthly bodies were not complete or marred in some way: our new bodies will be perfect; body , soul, spirit.

All souls are Mine, says God in scripture.

Once the dead in Christ are rejoined; then those alive on earth will ascend next To meet Jesus and everyone else in the clouds.

Be watching for Jesus every day.

I like the Bible because it tell us about God

The pastor this morning said your spirit and soul go immediately to heaven. What I do not get is.... if spirits go immediately to hell or heaven, then why is there a judgement day? You would already be where you are. The white thrown judgement is after the 1000 year reign, so would God pull em out of hell to send em back to hell after judgement? and bring us from heaven to go back to heaven after the judgement? Please help me to understand what happens after death.

-Hi Jonaton , thank you for your comments, Please don't take this the wrong way, but saying you guess or think the answer, is not the answer im looking for, I found the Koni Greek word for ransom, means a" corresponding to" instead of /exchange price, (Strong's Greek ).

Hi Jonaton Thank you for your comments, I hope i don't offend you by saying, that you comments I think or I guess , is your opinion

and I appreciate that. but I'm looking for exact scriptural understanding, as the Kone Greek for Ransom at 1 Tim 2:6 translates as " Corresponding sacrifice" (Strong's Greek).

Am i right to assume Jesus paid ransom, that corresponds to the life given up by Adam that plunged us into sin and death and Jesus bought us back by giving up his perfect life.

Isaiah 51:10

Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the waters of the great deep; that hath made the depths of the sea a way for the ransomed to pass over?

Jeremiah 31:11

For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.

Hosea 13:14

I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

Matthew 20:28

Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Mark 10:45

For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

1 Timothy 2:6

Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

I think maybe you think wrong about the word ransom, you can look it up in Webster's Dictionary from 1828. But some things are hard to understand, we need revelation from God. It's good that you're trying to understand, search and you'll find.

1timothy 2v5 what a terrific verse , it certainly clarifies so much !

1 Corinthians 14

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

They conveniently look over where Paul says everything he wrote are commandments from God and that God told Paul what to write."

Paul made it clear that its a commandment from God Himself. Since we know from the Bible that God doesn't change we know that women can't hold the positions of pastors nor does God call them to preach. If he did he would contradict Himself and make himself to be a liar.

Gonna ignore these little nuggets from 1 Corinthians 14 I see

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

They conveniently look over where Paul says everything he wrote are commandments from God and that God told Paul what to write."

Its because they like to ignore these little nuggets from 1 Corinthians 14

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

They conveniently look over where Paul says everything he wrote are commandments from God and that God told Paul what to write.

There is one mediator, Christ. The Holy Spirit is referred to as the parakletos, the Comforter. It is the guide, leading us into all truth. Comforter means "one who goes alongside." If this were a personality, then one would begin to think that it is in a position somewhere between us and the Father. But the Bible makes o mention of anything of the kind. There is only one between us and God, and that One is the Son.

This is similar in form to I Corinthians 11:3, which shows that, of the Deities above us, only One stands between us and God the Father, that is, God the Son. This means that not even the Holy Spirit, sent to us as a Comforter, is a mediator.

If the Holy Spirit were God (equal to the Father and the Son), it would be an affront of the highest order to exclude "Him" from an intermediary role between us and the Father-especially when we consider that the Bible assigns us, mere human beings, an intercessory role between others and the Father. By prayer we are to intercede before the Father for one another, which is a form of mediation. We go to the Father in behalf of our brothers and sisters who are undergoing trial, difficulty, sickness, or whatever. The Holy Spirit is excluded from this role because it is not a personality, yet we are given it because we are personalities.

Peace,

Look at the last part of this verse:

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1 Pet 2:22, Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

I guess it's like this, I'm a sinner, I deserve to die, Jesus did no sin, He paid the penalty for my sin when He died on the cross, I guess that's the same as He paid the ransom, so that a sinner like I could go free, He paid the price.

God bless you.

thank you for your reply , i don't think it answers my question, hope you dont mind if i askit again this way

you say we were bought with a price but the translation says the cost was corresponding ransom,( price)

was it the same imperfect price for imperfect people, or a greater price for imperfect people, corresponding to what.

for instance , 1 ton weight in exchange for a 1 ton weight is a corresponding exchange, if jesus was perfect how could perfection be equal exchange for imperfection .

Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. ( 1 Cor 7:23)

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. ( Matt 26:28)

In 1 Timothy 2:6 it says Ransom for all , the Greek word for ransom here corresponding ransom,

question ,

please explain corresponding to what. as a ransom here means equal amount so jesus life was equal to what. cant be to sinful man as Jesus was a perfect man

If true Christians believe that the Bible does not contradict itself (especially important in the NT) and the Bible states in verses 11 & 12 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.", then why are there discussions about the subject?

Paul even tells us why women shouldn't teach in verses 13 & 14, "For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." He even takes it a step further in the next chapter where he describes the role of men and women both in the home and at church. The NT is remarkably consistent in the roles of men and women both at home and at church.

I constantly hear, "Well, I believe " and "Women were not taught " and "We are all equal " and "We are all one " as justifications for women preachers. Sorry, but your beliefs will not get you saved. Neither will justifications, rationalizations and rectifying Biblical biases.

The very second you begin altering the meaning of Biblical passages, you're wrong. The Bible is like a fine tapestry: Tug on one thread and it starts to unwind. Change the understanding on one verse and you change the meaning of a verse somewhere else - that's how perfectly interlocked the Bible is. When you change or misconstrue meanings or intentions of Bible verses, no matter how well intentioned you are, you are changing Jesus's Words and the Bible becomes flawed. When you see yourself challenging the Bible, pray to the Holy Ghost for guidance and understanding. May the peace of Jesus Christ be with you and yours.

Peace and grace.

(v12)

Women can testify (Jo4, 20:17).

Woman can pray and prophecy with her head covered (1Cor11).

Aged women can teach young women (Tit2).

A mother can teach her children (Pr1:8).

But to teach the man and to have authority over him, she is not allowed, because the man was first formed, and the woman was deceived (v12-14).

See what Jesus says to the church in Thyatira (Re2:20).

What Paul teaches here, he teaches in every church, everywhere (1Cor4:17).

We don't endure sound doctrine and are turned to fables (2Tim4:3-4).

The Word is Scripture inspired by God (2Tim3:16).

I may ask, who bewitched us, that we should not obey the truth? (Gal3:1).

The ending of time - is the beginning of seeing God's true Love for us. The war is on for our soles. Evilness is fighting God's Angel's now. The fight is on. No straddling the fence any more. Who do you choose in these times? Make up your mind. For our Lord comes as a thief in the night. No more chances to choose once He comes. I cannot express how it will be. More poweful then ever imagined.. In a dream l saw the clouds opening with our Lord Jesus and His mighty angels coming down. So powerful the mountains moved. Can't hide. You had your chance. Meet your beginning and your ending of your life. He is here !!!

DJ - I do not much care for Lexicons of the modern era and yes publishers are changing the meaning of words. what does being gay mean? Happy or a sodomite?

Henry Thayer has a lexicon and he was a Unitarian that did not believe in the deity of Jesus and his word definitions reflect this. I had a Strong's concordance from the 1980's and the word definitions are not the same as the modern ones.

Gerhard Kittel has a Greek Lexicon that is an absolute standard in Bible colleges and he was an early member of the Nazi party of Hitler. So should we trust a Nazi to tell us what the words in Greek really mean? This is not a conspiracy theory as it is well documented. Kittel was to face war crimes after WW 2 and he died before trial.

Zondervan is the exclusive printer of the NIV Bible.

Zondervan is the largest printer of Bibles in the English speaking world. They are owned by Harper Collins which prints gay p orn and the Satanic Bible for the church of satan. Their parent company is the News Corp we know as Fox TV.

Bad tree = bad fruit. They are changing the word definitions.