2 Corinthians Chapter 4 Discussion



 
  • Jesse - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 2 years ago
    John,

    I think that if a believer strives to feed the spirit, keep his/her focus on Christ, remain in submission to Christ, that believer does well.

    As far as fighting the devil, my thoughts are that we don't have to fight the devil because he's already been defeated. We are told in Ephesians 6:11 to stand against the wiles (schemes) of the devil, not fight, but stand. Why? Because our position is in Christ at the right hand of the throne of God in the spirit realm!

    My understanding of 2 Corinthians Chapter 4 is that the entire chapter is talking about ministry.

    I have broken this chapter down into 3 Chapter Outlines in my Bible as such:

    2 Corinthians 4:1-6 gives us the philosophy of ministry.

    2 Corinthians 4:7-15 talks about the plan in ministry.

    2 Corinthians 4:16-18 is the perception of ministry.

    But you are correct about feeding the spirit and not the flesh. We are to deny our fleshly desires if we want to be disciples of Jesus Christ. Feeding the spirit is what produces growth in the believer. It also shows our love for Christ!
  • John on 2 Corinthians 4 - 2 years ago
    2 Corinthians chapter 4 like to know is this talking about the devil and coming into our lives and that the way to fight it is feed the spirit not the flesh I'm pretty sure I know what it says and what it means I just like a second opinion thank you
  • Spunky - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 2 years ago
    Shirley,

    Unfortunately, and sorry to say, the short answer is, "no." I'm glad you've accepted Christ and that question is not for you. To me, this is why the Gospel is so convincing/convicting. I believe the Bible makes it very clear upon death that our fate is sealed, or your name is in the "Book of Life" or not. This is why we're preached, "Come to Jesus, be saved, choose, surrender, time is short, be ready, spread the "Good news" gospel." Link

    The closest you could come to this; for the living to be in the tribulation. Much controversy about that. Yet, not really. Jesus comes and takes His Church/gentiles (by REV 4, no mention afterwards). Our chapter is done as we know it - literally. It now goes back to God's promise for the Jews, His chosen people. I don't know how this will technically work for a gentile in tribulation, but it seems by now, you will have to give your life by total sacrifice/Martyrdom and deny the world/mark/beast ( Rev 13,14) Even so, you'd not be wise to gamble in tribulation, by REV 6 scrolls are unsealed and only goes south from there.

    Hope that helped. I'm sorry if you knew someone that didn't or unsure if they accepted Christ. I battle with this for my own loved ones --the burden is real. In Christ,
  • Fred Scanlan - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 2 years ago
    Dear Shirley,

    Your question indicates to me that you have not excepted the Lord as your savior! If you had or have, this question is a question that does not apply to a Born again Son or Daughter of the Savior ! Christ died one time for the sins of the world. Do you think He must die twice? The word chance is not in Gods vocabulary! Those who come to Him must believe He is!

    Jesus said if we are lukewarm He will spew us out of His mouth! I 'm not sure how more plain than that, the Holy Spirit could be!

    In Christ, Fred
  • Shirley - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 2 years ago
    I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior! Just wanting to know the facts, Thank You! and God Bless You!
  • ELB - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 2 years ago
    Shirley;

    There are TWO resurrections.

    Those God GAVE to HIS Son Jesus, The CALLED and CHOSEN, were resurrected with Christ.

    Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath PART in the first resurrection ....

    Luke 20:34 Neither can they DIE ANYMORE: for they are equal unto the angels, and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.

    Those not Called and not Chosen, will die and lay in the grave, along with those that have die from the beginning.

    At the second resurrection EVERYONE in the graves will be resurrected back to their earthly flesh; AND JUDGED.

    Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them (those at the second resurrection) the JUDGEMENT WRITTEN, this HONOUR hath all his SAINTS (those in the first resurrection).

    Isaiah 26:9 .....when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth (second resurrection) the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature WAITETH (in the grave) for the MANIFESTATION of the Sons OF GOD (those in the first resurrection, that will be their JUDGES).

    Romans 8:21 Because the creature ITSELF shall be DELIEVERED from the bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

    1 Corinthians 15:28 ...that God may be ALL IN ALL.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Alex N - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 2 years ago
    Shirley Jesus told the thief on the cross this day you will be with me in Paradise...Which is the result of the New Covenant in his BLOOD...Even in the O.T. when i see the blood i will pass over you...Thats y Jesus is saying if I belifted up I will draw all men unto me...Thats y scrip. is saying in ADAM we all die but in Christ we will ALL live...At the great white throne judgement GOD That NEW Covenant. will see the BLOOD OF HIS LAMB

    .....Thats y John was preaching behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...impling every body

    .....The bible cd not refer to Jesus as the 2 nd ADAM IF HIS BLOOD WAS NOT APPLIED TO EVERY man.....Just as the stain and the spot of adam was applied to every man.

    .....Jesus cd not have told the thief on the cross this day you will be with me...If all sinners were not saved in the end...As God is no respector of persons.
  • Doug - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 2 years ago
    I would encourage anyone reading the Bible to do a study on perfection in a believer. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God, but after we have been cleansed from sin (not just covered) we are to go on to perfection. Hebrews 6:1. Luke 6:40 states "The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master". We are called to be like Christ.
  • Dav47 - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 2 years ago
    1st off; GOD is highly intelligent and is JUDGE. HE created all the stars and knows them by name. HE knows when a single hair falls from HIS creatures. HE is a heart knower and only judge who is a righteous and just JUDGE. No one will perish that doesn't deserve too ( Romans 14:12). There is no 2nd chances but there are many who never got a 1st chance. It is written the millennium will be a time of teaching. The elect will be able to go to sister/brother/near kin and try to save them.

    John 5:25 There will not be 1 soul that will perish that want have a chance to choose to side with GOD or Satan, choice completely theirs.

    Revelations 20:6
  • Phyllis - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 2 years ago
    The things for us to know have been revealed but also more shall be revealed in the future (PLEASE read: 1 Corinthians 13:9-12); however, what we do know is that it's absolutely necessary to accept Truth prior to leaving this Earth, especially if one deems it necessary to be at peace with The CREATOR here on Earth, and also in the Afterlife. Obviously, the only other option is to spend the Afterlife in fire described as being seven times hotter than Earthly fire, in utter darkness, with a hellified angry Satan, and his demons, and other things that are guaranteed to bring indescribable torture in a place that could only be described as Hell; and that itself, will be cast into the Lake of Fire that burns... brimstone Revelation 20:10 &

    Revelation 21:7-8:

    7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his GOD, and he shall be My son.

    8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    At least on Earth, we are given the opportunity to repent, or to get it right, and keep it right as King David did but the Afterlife, has more sense of an irrevocable permanence.

    St. John 3:5-7

    JESUS answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of GOD.

    6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

    2 Peter 2:21

    "For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them."
  • Streetpreacher - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 2 years ago
    Hebrews 9:27

    And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

    Read the Book of John; especially chapter 3. We come to Jesus because we realize we can't be perfect. Jesus was willing to die for us, so we could live eternally with Him.

    He came to earth to live as a human, perfectly without sinning; so He could be the one to pay your sin debt.

    Your first step is to admit to yourself, and then to Jesus; that you miss it. Like we all do. I miss it and many others do. But now we actually rejoice because Jesus paid for all of our sins: past, present, and future.

    I hope you choose Him today. There's links all over this website to explain the choice you decide on. We are always here for you. Ask any questions you have.
  • Bj - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 2 years ago
    No and there is no purgatory .Why would you want to wait to accept Jesus as your Saviour

    He is our Advocate .
  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 2 years ago
    Hello Shirley. I believe as residents of this Earth & hearers of this Good News of salvation, we are obliged to make a response to Jesus while there is still breath in our bodies. Once we depart this life, there remains no further opportunity. Hebrews 9:27 states, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". No second chances or opportunities - only God's Judgement awaits all those who have refused Him & His Offer of Love.

    And this is also why Jesus, after he arose from the grave, gave commmandment to His disciples in Matthew 28:18-20, to go & share this Good News, teaching them, baptizing them after they believe, & to obey His Commandments. And the disciples, after they were filled with the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, did just that, sharing the Gospel in the regions near & beyond, & bringing those who would be saved into the fold of Christ. If this sense of grave responsibility & urgency wasn't there, it could well mean that there was still hope for people after the grave. But this is not the case. People need to hear this message now - tomorrow might be too late for them. Many refuse to hear, but we pray that God will direct our steps & our voices to those appointed to receive eternal life. At least to our loved ones, friends & associates, this Good News must be shared that they not be consigned to the place of eternal punishment.
  • Shirley on 2 Corinthians 4 - 2 years ago
    I have a question! If you pass away before you except Jesus Christ as your Saviour do you ever get another chance too?
  • GiGi - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    As a woman whose husband likes my hair short rather than long (and I prefer it short as well) I have often thought about this teaching from Paul. For me, if my husband approves of my hair length, then I am honoring him by doing as he wishes.

    But also, I think about what I need to do if I am in a position to teach youth (or children). Would the length of my hair cause anyone to doubt other instructions in the Bible when they read this verse? I wore my hair long when I taught youth and children in church for this reason. Now I have a Muslim daughter in law. God, She covers her hair with a scarf and wears long sleeves. I ask God, how do I honor her culture/faith while still exercising liberty in Christ? So, if she is offended that my hair isn't covered, I will have her teach me to cover my head with a scarf as she does. It is all about my witness. I have no problem with wearing my hair long or wearing a scarf in church. That is not a difficult teaching for me to follow. I do not think that it should necessarily be done by all women in all churches. But we should have a willing heart to follow these inspired instructions from the apostles if it will allow us to be all things to all people, that some might come to believe.
  • Jesse - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Brother Spencer,

    Thanks. And with that, Paul was speaking to a very corrupt church.

    There's no other custom in any of the churches of God than what Paul just said right here. So Paul says if you want to be contentious, you're going against God!
  • T. Levis - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Vrs. Stated above = When she prays or prophesieth. Also 1 Corinthians 11:10

    Matthew 6:5-6
  • Carleton - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    A few meditations on another covering besides the hair. Paul never mentions husband and wife in his writing on a woman's covering, he only speaks of "man" and "woman". The nature of a "man" often is selfish and yet "woman" was made from man. If a "woman" who has, like a "man" submitted herself to God by faith, has a visible sign of her faith to "man",would not the "man" whom she comes from feel more accountable to provide his covering of Jesus Christ as a blessing and safety to the "woman"?

    Then also, if a covering for a "woman" of faith conviction can be reasonably removed or added (separated from all other parts of being covered for modesty sake, thinking of both "man" and "woman") so when prayer is being considered or prayer service, her place in order is prepared by her own knowledge of preparation of a covering. This conviction then also causes the "man" to take notice of his current relationship with his head, Christ Jesus. Then another consideration is the world looking on. Perhaps a visible sign as a covering protects the "woman" when a Spirit led "man" is not present. When a Christian "woman" is with children, there also is covering of safety that stands out as peculiar amongst the unconverted and even as an an example to the children with the "woman".
  • Glenn - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Covering the head , or hair is not anything that one has to do it is simply keeping Christ in your mind,.. an yes , it's just that simple

    Peace
  • Glenn - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    You are absolutely right,.. it has nothing to do with hair , or wearing a cover on your head , it means , keeping Christ in your mind !!! It's just that simple,..

    peace
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Amen Brother Jesse.

    And Paul is talking to "The Church "

    Galatians 3:28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    1 Corinthians 11:16. But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

    God bless.
  • Women's Head coverings in 2021 - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    You'd have to go on his website and send a email through 'Contact Us' link.

    What is explained in the Bible was for Jewish women, and descendants of Abraham; I would think.
  • Susanne - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Thank you for your reply. According to the verses, a woman's hair is her glory; and if she is not covering her glory before god, then she is shamed and should have her head shaved.

    It is quite confusing to me, unless it is taken literally, but I can't believe that this can be so, although Muslin women keep their heads covered all the time, so maybe this is the way we are supposed to conduct ourselves.

    Nevertheless, verse 16 indicates that if we are in disagreement with this, we are not bound to follow it, as it is not God's law..............is this correct?
  • Adam - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Hello, when reading God's word, one must distinguish between moral law, ceremonial law, civil law. It's my opinion that head covering, circumcision, clothing, etc were Jewish customs and ceremonial laws not applying today. Moral law, like the ten commandments, love thy neighbor, do not kill, apply today.
  • Susanne Ernst - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Thank you. I Corinthians 11-16 I understand to be saying that if a woman chooses not to cover their heads, it is not mandatory. However verses 5 & 6 seem to indicate something different. And it doesn't seem like Paul is saying that a woman's hair is considered a covering for her glory.

    What does Charles Stanley say?
  • Jesse - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Susanne,

    We see this in 1 Corinthians Chapter 11. First of all, if you look at verse 3, it gives us God's proper order. The order is God, Christ, man, and then woman. That is God's order for the church and we should not violate that order. As far as covering your head before praying to the Lord, you do not have to have a hat, scarf, or any other type of manufactured head covering before doing so.

    If you look at verse 5, it makes it sound like you have to wear a head covering. But here's what was taking place in Corinth at that time. This is what it's referring to. In Corinth, the prostitutes who worked the temple area, you could tell who they were because of their shaved heads.

    And so he's talking about a covering for women being a symbol or a representation of the fact that she is in submission to her head who is the husband. So what he's saying here is that you put a covering on to show your submission to God's order. If you don't want to do that, you might as well shave your head and be like the rebel prostitutes that are outside. It's either one or the other!

    But what is that covering? 1 Corinthians 11:15 says, But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her. And notice this, this is the key: for her hair is given to her for a covering.

    What covers a woman's head that symbolizes her submission? It's her hair in Corinth! So God gave her her hair for a covering. So either shave your head and be like the rebels, or have long hair in Corinth and symbolize your submission to God's order.

    What he's saying is that it's a shame and it's not right for a man to look like a woman and for a woman to look like a man. We see that in our society today. Women want to be equal. So many have tried to look like men and act like men. Some men want to be equal and they go through some changes to make themselves female.

    As to your other question, the woman should not be placed in a position of authority over the man in the church. That would be in violation of verse 3.
  • David - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Hi Susanne Ernst Absolutely not Read 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 Pay attention to verse 16 is your answer. As long as our garments are in good taste God looks at and hears your heart.
  • Susanne Ernst on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Do I need to cover my head every time I am talking to God and Jesus? I talk to him all throughout the day.......do I need to stop every time I do this to put a covering over my head? Do you think this is actually what he means for me to do?

    And am I really not allowed to speak in church (a woman); what about female ministers? They have to speak, otherwise they wouldn't be able to preach. Did God mean for women to refrain from entering the ministry? No because Tabitha was an apostle wasn't she?, so she must have done a lot of teaching.

    Please help me understand this
  • Messenger - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    ( John 8:36) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

    People are free from false prophets, deceivers, addictive habits etc. Because of the bible! ( Matthew 5-7)

    And sin ( John 3:16,17)

    This scripture is helpful, thanks for sharing.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Let's start with the love of GOD

    1 Corinthian 13, please read the whole chapter

    John 3:16

    Psalm 103:8

    Psalm 145:8

    Matthew 12:15

    Those are just a few scriptures about GOD's love. If you study & read the Holy Bible you will find GOD's love all through it.

    Here are a few scriptures about sin

    John 8:34 & Jesus says about himself John 8:36

    Hopefully those are helpful.


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