2 John Chapter 1 Discussion Page 2

Hi Randy; Thanks for the nice note! To the question of everyone possibly being in the Book of Life to begin with I don't know. It does say that there's an evil seed who go astray from the womb speaking lies; and some like Esau, the LORD hates. The fact that He sows in all kinds of hearts but only a smaller part respond worthily, also makes me doubt that possibility. Mt. 25:31-46 is important.

A Disciple: Could be that everyone's name is in the Book of Life, but the secret is to not be blotted out. The way the world is going, I do believe that only a Remnant will be saved. There must still be 10 righteous, but hard to tell watching the news! Read some of your past entries and sure is good to know you are teacher of Righteousness! Holy to the LORD! Thanks for Lord's words on my family!

Randy; Thank you for your friendly reply: Grace and Peace to you also! Although all have sinned, and God punishes the wicked doers; yet has He spoken of the day when all ages and peoples shall be restored to their former estate. The names of those in the Lamb's Book of Life must be a multitude that no man can number! It is what Jesus prayed: "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

A Disciple: I thank the Good Lord and pray for the saints every night, of which you are one! The OT had a sacrifice for ignorance and the NT says there is a sin that is not unto death, which I think and hope is ignorance. (family and loved ones) The error of the doctrine of Truth and the knowledge of Righteousness can be taught to those who will receive His revelation, as we did. Holy to the Lord!

Randy; I think that was a good example you used with Ann to show God's care for us; and also, thank you for the supporting effort with all the times the word forgiveness appears in the Old Testament! There is a wealth of knowledge and history about our Faith and Religion, that has been mercilessly and relentlessly under attack and much destroyed; which is why there is so much error and ignorance.

Emanuel; To your question about God putting people to the test; in James it is talking about alluring to sin; which cannot be done to God, and He doesn't do to anyone! But as to the action itself of enticing it is something that God does use in many ways for His righteous purposes and bringing out the best (or worst) in people. For example - Genesis 22:1; John 6:6; 2 Thess. 2:11; 1 Kings 22:22.

Emanuel: In 1 Tim. Paul says 'Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief'. That does not mean that Paul was still a sinner, or the 'worst' sinner. The very next verse Paul says why he said he was 'chief' of sinners. Because he was the FIRST PATTERN of all that should believe after him. It's obvious. Not possible anyway to be 'more sin full'. Leaven leavens the whole lump!

GrGenesis 22:1 And it eek has far more words than English don't read the kjv legalistic. Example In James James 1:13 for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:Genesis 22:1 God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him,
In James God doesn't tempt man then why did he tempt Abraham?
Tempt in kjv means to entice but it also means to put into a trial. Clarification is need

Yes forgiven but they didn't immediately go to heaven. But since they were the chosen elect of God they went to Abraham's Bosom. When Christ shed his blood on the cross now it's absent from the body and present with the lord that's my point.Forgiven yes but they still can't go to heaven until The FATHER has been propititated .That's why Christ is called Jacobs Ladder only way to heaven

Ann:If I had children, whom I LOVED, who had a fatal disease (sin), and I had the cure, would I make them beg every day for a small dose? Did our Jesus cure us? Do we believe He did.....FULLY? Think about it reasonably...of course HE did! How Wonderful! Good Lord Bless You!

Emanuel, may the Good Lord bless you! The word 'forgive' is used 50 times in the OT. 48 times the word is 'salach', which means forgive, pardon, spare. Twice it is the word 'kaphar', which means cover, forgive, pardon, reconcile. (Duet.-Jer.) I was taught the same doctrine you were, which isn't a doctrine, because it opposes itself! It's not 'yes' and 'no', it's 'yes' in Christ! Disciple is right!

Emanuel; I would like to remind you of the LORD's forgiveness of David, and Jonah, and Hezekiah. The whole ministry of the sons of Aaron was to mediate between God and the people for their atonement and cleansing and acceptance (forgiveness), so they could be blessed. In Ezekiel also the LORD said that when someone truly repents, God wouldn't mention the man's sins anymore. Isn't that forgiveness?

We're still sinners were not glorified with our new bodies paul said Christ Jesus came to save sinners of whom IAM cheif. This is a saved man speaking only difference SIN HAS NO DOMINION OVER ME

This is a big misconception NO SIN WAS FORGIVEN IN OT ONLY COVERED. If they were why weren't old testament saints in heaven?
They we're in Abraham's bosom that's where Chris was for three days. After Christ died NOW SINS ARE FORGIVEN NOT COVERED.

Ann:The old covenant forgave sin (Leviticus everywhere). Not only did it forgive sin...but it cleansed the flesh from sin for (get this) a whole year! How come Jesus came and went and we aren't clean for a day??? You know that can't be right. The New Covenant is "Remission" of sin. Jesus really did take away all of our sins...of course He did...literally! He said so. He Promised. Holy to the Lord!

Ann; I know that this false teaching is rampant in the Churches, and a favorite of many; but we do not all sin every day! That's a lie from the devil, who wants to corrupt the children of God and only opposes and contradicts the word of God. Jesus cleanses us from all sin, and releases us from all our bondage to sin. That is the Glad Tidings of our salvation foretold by all the Prophets! John 8:36

Jesus Christ died for our sins, 1 Corinthians 15:3, but we all still sin everyday, we must confess our sins to him daily, and repent of them. Ask the Lord to forgive us of our sins and repent of them, and please do not go and commit the same sin over again that God has already forgiven us for. Amen.

Hey Walter...may the Good Lord bless you! I think it means Jesus put to death sin in the flesh for us. So if Jesus took away all of our fleshly sins, all that's left is to believe we are not sinners anymore because of Him. Isn't that believing Him fully?

Dear Walter; That Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, means that He came into the world by being born of a woman. The difference between Him and everyone else whose ever been born, is that He existed forever before that in heaven as God, and He didn't have an earthly father like we do; but was miraculously conceived in the womb by the Holy Spirit. In Genesis 3:15 God declared why Christ would come.

VERSE 7 SAYS JESUS IS COME IN THE FLESH WHAT THAT MEANS

We are enjoined in this great chapter to beware of wolves in sheep's clothing who preach false doctrines and does not profess the name of Jesus Christ. We are also enjoined to show love of Christ towards one another which is a character displayed by Jesus Christ himself by dying for our sins. May the Lord help us to do his will at all times in Jesus name. Amen

The flesh profits nothing! Make no provision for the flesh! Now there is no more condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh! Jesus condemned sin in the flesh for us!!! For as much then as Christ has suffered in the flesh for us, arm yourselves with the same mind. For he that has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin! By faith are we saved. Not by works.

I think it's an awesome message

Through fasting and prayers

W, "How do you put up a fight against your desires of the flesh?" What is it in a man, who considers his ways, and turns to God and repents? that he will soften and change his mind and heart, to convert and to do no more sin? This is what is meant by "holding the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end;" that we don't let those things slip! Use force in your mind! Speak the Scripture!

You fight against the desires of the flesh by submitting to The Lord every day. Tell Him you know that you desperately need Him. Read your Bible OUT LOUD every day. PRAY every day. Stop watching things on TV , newspapers, internet,etc., that you know are designed to pull you into wrong thinking and wrong actions. Also tell your flesh NO we are not doing that.

read James ch 4 verses 5-8 ( you draw near unto God by reading and medataing upon his word

How do you put up a fight against your desires of the flesh?

Vs. 6 If we truly love Jehovah then we will make an effort to serve him whole souled. Sometimes our fleshly desires work against us, but we must put up a fight to resist them. BY doing so, God can bless us, and we can have a free flow of Holy Spirit.

V. 10 - this verse refers to those who just come to you, uninvited, nor have you PRAYED for them to be there, that bring a different doctrine. We can and are to witness to ANYONE, but ONLY in the Lord's leading - through prayer. If you're in a store and you 'feel' a 'tug' towards someone - that's God letting you know this person will be receptive to His message - done GENTLY, with wisdom, love.