2 Samuel Chapter 15 Discussion

Verses 1,2~Absalom thought too much of himself and had too much pride. This led to his downfall.

I think that I remember David for evrything else but his sins,I so remember 1Samuel Ch3vs13 “For I have told him that I am about to judge his house forever for the iniquity which he knew, because his sons brought a curse on themselves and he did not rebuke them.But in this case it was Davids own transgressions,We CAN NOT have GODs LOVE with out his WRATH as well,some only teach of 1 or the other.

(cont.); And we read the Psalms knowing that they are the Holy Spirit speaking about the inner life of the Anointed, and of all who love Him; and about all the adversity and afflictions that we are set to encounter, so much good and so much wealth of grace and knowledge of God no one seems to care about! Yet all that people (Christians) want to talk about or remember is the sin! That is shameful!

When we read everything else about David, and of how the LORD always referred to him as the EXAMPLE and MEASURE of a perfect walk with God all his days, for all his sons after him to compare to; its so very sad that people (Christians) only remember his sin. God said about David, "He is a man after mine own heart who shall fulfill all my will;" and that he shall be king of Israel forever.

Peter, all that you said is correct. You have quoted scripture correctly. God was not happy with David's horrorable sin and he did avenge Uriah. God absolutely forgave David, but he still choose to avenge the death of Uriah. Did David bring this upon himself.. Yes, he did. God did not judge David, but He did chastise Him. It is the thing He does to His elect even when He forgive us.

Thank you, Lu2677; Yes, I have written again on this to Peter, and I do also remember all the things Nathan said to David from God. David's life after was very different from before he sinned; and as God told him, there were very terrible consequences for his actions. Without starting a big defense, I was just thinking of the responsibility of the actual individuals (his sons) for their own sins.

A disciple, You asked Peter "is it all on David." Yes, what Peter is quoting is God telling David what is going to happen to him (David) because David murdered, and coveted another man's wife, adultery. David repented, he acknowledged that he sinned against God, but God avenged the man's death, and killed the baby, and gave David's wives to other men to lay with. God says it, I believe it. Read it

Hi Peter; Yes, you are right; and I was actually remembering that after I wrote you. Leviticus 26:40-45 speaks about this Law of God; how that when it comes to our time, and we actually repent and get saved; there's still all the defiance and sinning that has evolved over ages and generation that has brought about the punishments we know today; which we must accept as God's will, till Jesus comes.

Disciple:Please read 2 Samuel 12:10 "Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.11 I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel"

Peter; Are we supposed to think then, that when we truly repent and change, when we are really converted, and God says He forgives us and has taken away our sins and makes us new creations in Christ; that He doesn't really forgive, and He still punishes? What about the responsibility of the actual doers of the evil, i.e. his sons? Is it all on David because they are ungodly, and practice sin?

The blood of Uriah is avenging David as God promised. David's household is now in disarray. Much lesson to be learned in terms of disobeying God's commands and the dire consequences

The Mount of Olives has a fantastic history: O.T.; 2 Sam. 15:30; 1 Kgs. 11:7-8; 2 Kgs. 23:13-14; Eze. 11:22-23; Neh. 8:15. N.T. - Lk. 22:39; Matt. 24: 1-51; Lk. 19:28:44; Lk. 21:37; Lk. 22: 39-46; Acts 1:1-12; Matt. 24:30-31; O.T. - Zech. 14:4.

David knew everybody is a sinner and him he had committed adultery before..He knew true judgement and forgive comes from God..

It seems that God was dealing with David for not taking responsibility as a father when he found out that Amnon raped his sister This I am sure made Absolom very angry and took it upon himself to deal with his brother the way he did I too don t understand how David did not mete out punishment to his son Amnon

Being a person of some age and having been betrayed by people I have befriended from time to time helps me to identify with the feelings that David must have had toward Ahithophel, his once trusted counselor and confidant. The scene seems to be reflected in Psalm 55 where David deals with the pain of betrayal more openly (even angrily) and prophetically speaks to the manner in which Jesus would suffer betrayal by Judas. It also helps me to understand that being God's person is no guarantee against risks and being Christian involves learning to forgive even in a most hurtful circumstances, while still being open to love for those people who may conspire against me.

That great conspiracy of Absolom against King David his father even with David's Chief Adviser, Ahithophel is highly thought provoking. Though that was one of the judgments pronounced by God against David for his sin of killing and taking over Uriah's wife.

What strikes me here is that David had no faith anymore in his anointed by God status as king of Isreal. He never consulted God's prophet for counsel. He heard of Absalom's conspiracy against him and fled. Absalom was in Jerusalem for 40 years before doing this. David's faith in God during that time frame should have been like that tree planted by the waters and not been moved!Even David, the apple of God's eye was weak in spiritual matters, yet God loved him and sustained him! That gives all of us in Christ Jesus hope!