2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 Discussion Page 3

The verse that says that he is taken out of the way is the anti christ him self is taken out by the Lord Jesus coming , and the kingdom set up . The anti christ will attempt to

Make war with the Lord !

Evil is deluded to the max Even til it's last day . Even so come Lord Jesus !

"The falling away" occurs at the sixth trumpet, "day of the Lord", and specifically, "the abomination of desolation". Jesus comes like a thief in the night to lay the land desolate. Many will be disappointed.

Verse 3

Let no man deceive you by any means : for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first , and the man of sin be revealed , the son of perdition.

Just look at society today and governments, they are fallen and getting worse .

Deception is at an all time high . No place exempt.

I ask a question " what church or organization did Noah attend ?

It's to get like the days of Noah according to Jesus , so it's learning to go it pretty much alone . Walking with God is possible in the worst of times .

Don't let the crowd fool you .

Loknath Nair: That scripture is aimed at antichrist & the false prophet's rule. It's no secret that America behaves like satan, a propaganda counterfeiter. If you think this is bad, wait till the son of perdition's in power The dead will be the lucky ones.

2 Thessalonians 2:11

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"

King James Version (KJV)

It is exactly is happening in the world currently, so it's is very important to all of us to know the word of God personlly.

Thomas,

2 Thessalonians 2:6 says, And now you know what withholds, and the word withhold is the word restrains, something that holds back.



"You know the restraint that he might be revealed in his time." He says there is a restraining force that is keeping the antichrist from being revealed.



He could be on the earth alive right now waiting to be revealed. And this restraining force is keeping him from being revealed because it's not time.

Verse 7 says For the mystery of iniquity is already working: That's in Paul's day.



And right now, whether the person is alive or not, we have the one world system taking shape, and then he'll step right in to the situation.



Only he who now letteth will let, and that's the nice Old English language. It's the same word hinders, or restrains.



He says and he who is restraining, will continue to restrain until it's time for the antichrist to be revealed, until he be taken, that is, this restrainer be taken out of the way.



There is much speculation as to what is the restraining force. I believe that it is God.

Some believe it's the Spirit of God in the church, that at the rapture when we're removed from the earth, that God's Spirit in the form of His people is gone.



That is true. But as I read through Revelation, I find out that it's the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit himself, whether it's in His people or not in His people, it is the Holy Spirit. God's Spirit will remove the hold, or restraining on the man of sin, and he will be revealed.

satan the great deceiver and master counterfeiter is always trying to falsely fulfill prophesy: Mystery Babylon likens itself to the beast in Daniel 7 during its "war on terror".

In 2007 Gen Wesley Clark revealed a memo describing how "the US was going to take out 7 countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off with Iran." --Global Research

*After they destroyed 3 towers on 9/11/01, the US planned to take out 7 countries in 5 years. (5 months; Revelation 9:5, 5th trumpet)

*It is the beast who plucks 3 horns from his 10 horned confederacy, leaving 7 allies. (6th trumpet)

This too:

March 28, 2018---U.S. State Department said "Russia is a 'Beast From the Deep Sea' With 'Tentacles'" -

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

God to puts these words in Mystery Babylon's mouth for the world to wonder about.

Hi Sacha,

You are welcome. Yes may those great days come upon us all soon.

Hi Daniel ,thanks for your message ,i think that a mistrust of this world and all things that are of it is a very good attitude and im with you 100 per cent there ,i can only relate my own experience ,this world and everything to do with it will pass away soon we know , may those most awesome days of life love peace truth righteousness justice mercy and rejoicing be upon us all very soon Thy Kingdom Come Lord .

Hi Sacha,

You are welcome. I am sorry that you were ill, but I believe it that it could not have been caused by this 'virus'. I cannot trust this world that is under the rule of Satan, which calls evil good and good evil, furthers evil and hates what is holy. There is also the origin of the word 'pharmacy' coming pharmakon meaning 'magician' or 'sorcerer' in Strong's concordance. A recognisable symbol of medicine is the one where there are either two snakes on a pole with 'wings' or one snake on a pole, which I believe is a blasphemous reference to Jesus based on the brazen serpent Moses made in the wilderness for the Israelites ( Numbers 21:4-9).

God bless you.

pharmakn - pharmakon

dinn - odinon

The 'o's were removed I believe because of they had accents.

Hi, Recently a couple who would support this virus as fake came into a food facility factory that is well regulated by thousands of industry standards including clothing, hair nets, beard nets, gloves, hand washing, record keeping, etc..

Inside were two happy born again young people performing work under these burdens. One of them was even singing a hymn quietly as he collected items off a conveyor belt. This couple knew these older children from having taught them how to drive a few years back. The building is not open to the public but we let our friends in without asking them to meet any conditions of the burden of the law over the facility. As soon as they were inside and saw the mask, the netting etc.. they raised their voices and brought up the fake virus, government and just laid a dark cloud on the conditions that were happy and at peace a few minutes before. We helped them with their needs happily and listened to their complaints while production was halted. Eventually they had what they needed including help in direction on a disease that the man carries on others with the same disease. These folks we love them no matter would also claim Jesus as their master too.

It's a real stretch of the imagination to relate the mask wearing to the mark of the beast. Face masks have been worn here in the past during the 1918 flue epidemic. It wasn't a sign of the beast then....

Revelation 13:16

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

The beasts mark....to be on the right hand and or forehead. We should know when that comes.....

God Bless

Daniel hi ,i cannot dispute most of what you say in this post except for one thing ,the virus isnt fake ,i promise you its not ,ive had it twice ! April of last year and Feb this year ,i promise you faithfully its real ,everything else you said was very interesting ,thankyou and may God bless you .

...but with the mark of the beast one will not be able to buy or sell at all, anywhere.

In addition to this, the word pharmacy comes from the Greek word pharmakeus, which comes from pharmakon meaning 'magician' or 'sorcerer' in Strong's concordance.

Revelation 9:20-21 (KJV)

[20] And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

[21] Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries (Strong's Greek 5333 - pharmakn), nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

I have also seen comments online regarding the connection between 'tikto' and 'TikTok' (an evil platform), which as far as I am aware was heavily promoted alongside the rise of this virus, along with the connection 'TikTok' has with time. 'TikTok' (which I am assuming is from 'tick tock') means that the clock is ticking, and I believe can also be used to mean that time is running out.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance for Tikto:

'bear, be born, bring forth

A strengthened form of a primary teko tek'-o (which is used only as alternate in certain tenses); to produce (from seed, as a mother, a plant, the earth, etc.), literally or figuratively -- bear, be born, bring forth, be delivered, be in travail.'

The last definition what Jesus said when speaking about the beginning of the end time events in Matthew 24:1-8 and Mark 13:1-8 being the 'beginning of sorrows'. In the interlinear Bible, the word 'dinn' is used and is translated as 'birth pangs'.

Matthew 24:1-8 (KJV)

Hello Marie,

You are exactly right, this virus is fake, along with other viruses. The mask wearing, social distancing, vaccine and anything else the world is enforcing or doing for this virus is satanic, and it appears as though most people have just gone along with it. I think most people know that this virus is fake, maybe even everyone, but most people are of the devil and I believe most people are a part of this lie. I also believe that this virus was the opening of the first seal of Revelation.

Revelation 6:1-2 (KJV)

[1] And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

[2] And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Corona is latin for 'crown'. Coronavirus - 'crown'virus.

The one sitting on the white horse conquers with a bow without any arrows, which I believe means there is no actual warfare. This virus is a 'global pandemic', and has effectively 'conquered' the world: mask wearing, social distancing, businesses being closed etc.

Strong's Concordance - toxon: a bow

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - 'From the base of tikto; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric) -- bow.'

Toxic comes from the word toxon. This virus could possibly be regarded as 'toxic', or at least the 'effects' of it.

Fabric - mask wearing - these masks, at least the common ones people wear, can essentially be seen as simple fabrics.

Mandated mask wearing - covering the face with a 'fabric'. A large amount of emphasis has been placed on wearing these masks for this virus e.g., people posting pictures with the emphasis being placed on the masks they are wearing. Masks have been required for travel, entrance to stores etc. One cannot buy or sell in person without wearing a mask where masks are mandatory, and it appears that this mask mandate is similar to the mark of the beast,...

Jesus is powerful

Hello Lee,

No. Zebedee is the father of James and John, two disciples/apostles of Christ. Zacharias is the father of John the baptist.

God Bless.

is Zebedee and Zacharias the same person

This particular scripture could be us, but is aimed at the post 6th trumpet doctrine of anti-christ's rule. The people are too dumb, brainwashed to hear the love of the truth.

With that being said, America is a great counterfeiter, they falsely fulfill anti-Christ's actions. Note: In 2007 General Wesley Clark said that after losing 3 towers in NY, the US intended to topple 7 ME govt's in 5 years (months). So, after 3 towers were taken, 7 countries were planned in 5 years. In Revelation the beast has 10 allies, he takes of 3 them, leaving 7. Then, Rev 9:5 "And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented 5 months (years).." The US deals in sorceries and courts their god the devil. Also, was 9-11-01= Rev 9:1-11, the 5th trumpet that officially began tribulation? I think so.

Everything happening in America is testament to Mystery Babylon. This is America before its visitation.

Melisa I agree totally. Ive no idea if this verse applies to current circumstances, but my God given intuition tells me that there is a monstrous (satanic) deception taking place. If something doesnt look right...then it probably isnt.

Kathy has left an interesting thought in her comment about how our adversary covets our blood. We know that our saviors blood is the propitiation for our sin, therefore, we know that there is great value in our blood as well. Thank you for your observation Kathy, I think you just opened a new study for us.

1 Corinthians 15:52

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

See the whole chapter when studying. In answer to your question, I think not. A twinkling is shorter than an eye blink; I was taught once.

The dead in Christ rise first; and then those alive in Christ, rise next. We are taken to heaven immediately. Millions or billions of people.

Don't procrastinate. It's time to turn to Jesus now with all of your heart.

He's not a fire insurance policy. He is offering you the free gift of salvation from your sins. A gift has to be received.

Mishael

When the rapture of the church happens, will those left on the earth see the Lord in the air, and the bride being caught up to meet him in the air?

what the meaning word (stablish )In verse 17?

Jesus said , pray that ye be counted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass on the earth.

lord make me worthy by thy blood, in jesus name. amen.

People forget 2 Churches (1 of GOD & Christ) (1 of Satan Church Of Mahon) Remember: Read Line Upon Line, Precept upon Precept, a Little Here, a Little There:

Here's the Problem

1.) John 5:23

That all men should honour the Son, euen as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not e Sonne, honoreth not e Father which hath sent him.

2.) John 10:38

But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

3.) John 14:13

And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son

Here's The True Word:

1.) 1 Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for euer: & this is the word which by the Gospel is preached vnto you.

2.) Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;

3.) Matthew 4:10 for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

4.) Luke 4:8 Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Chapter 2 verse 3

Let no man DECEIVE you by any means ; for that day will not come , except there come a falling away first , and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition .

Before the coming of the Lord the Antichrist must come first .

The Pretrib heresy says it's going to happen next , they have been saying this for almost 200 years when it began .

The Christians at the time of this new heresy rejected it . George Muller of Bristol was one and a giant in his time .

The doctrine of the rapture also reshaped prophecy. In many big ways .

That's adding to the word of God .

Rev 22v 19 serious consequences for doing this .

We are in the falling away it's plain to see to them that have eyes to see . And know the Bible .

Men will be very corrupt by time the Antichrist himself comes on the scene , and they will worship him too ! Amazing how the spirit of anti christ works in the children of disobedience, unbelief of the truth as well as indifference or rebellion all are disobedience.

But God is faithful to every generation and will have grace upon the faithful and deliver them from everything coming . We are not appointed unto wrath .

Revelation 12:9 that deception being a future event will happen when Satan is kicked out of heaven to earth and then read up verses 3 and 4 of this chapter of 2 Thess 2 and you will see a supernatural man stand up in Jerusalem claiming he is God returned and don't worship and don't chase after him because he is a liar who brings fake peace and a one world religion. It's a 5 month period cut down from 7 years for the elect sake. It's all in the book of Revelation. Oh, the long haired locust means soft spoken and those iron breastplates are as the priest breastplates that had 12 stones that were used a long time ago so it's priest and preachers in Satans peaceful deception takeover of the world.

On 2 THESS. 2:3

The Word of God is God ( John 1:1) and not for any private interpretation ( 2 Peter 1:20). If it records in Rev. 12:9 that this whole world has been deceived, it did not speak of a particular country, group of people, person or religion, it meant the whole world.

For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15) this whole world has been deceived and what mankind must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( Matthew 7:7; John 14:17).

The word 'Repent' in different forms (repent, repentance, repented, repentest, repenteth, repenting), is mentioned 110 times in the KJV, and there seems to be a great misconception what the true 'spiritual' meaning of the word is. The word 'repent' used in the New Testament was translated from the Greek word "metanoeo", and means to change, transform, to think differently or reconsider.

Only through Repentance will God be able to reveal Himself, and adopt you as His sons and daughters ( Rom. 8:15,23; 2 Cor.6:18; Gal. 4:5; Eph. 1:5; Hebr. 12:5; 1 John 3:1) and reveal to you how this whole world has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9) and overcome this world ( 1 John 5:4).

The word 'Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).

It is only by revelation of God that people will come to know the true Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1). It should be remembered that it is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14).