2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 Discussion Page 4

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You are correct, mankind is lost. The Word of God teaches us so in Revelation 12:9 and the Word is God. are you going to argue with God over things you are not able to understand? The content of our website just explains how and by whom you have been deceived and what you must do to be reunited with the true and living God and how you are able to come to know the true Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Rev. 12:9).

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When the antichrist comes he will sit in the temple of God saying that he is God. Seems to me that he will be very well known.

That's why this "fake Virus" is killing so many.

Just my Comments about Matthew 13, kjv. That parable about the Seed of God The living Word its like dynimite when ya get to thinking about it .Its akin to Abraham and his seed, The multiplication of Abraham is just like the multiplication of very God. When ya read about Abraham and Issac and Jacob think about Father God and Jesus and the H.G. an Israel of God the multiplcation of very God in humanity via that GOOD SEED the WORD.Its God the Father that wants a Posterity, Christ Jesus was just his 1 st born of many brethren, that was the great Promise I WILL MULTIPLY THY SEED AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN thus the sower and his Precious Seed that is gonna be sown in the hearts of every man in the last days.Thats y Jesus is saying that which is Born OF THE SPIRIT is SPIRIT YA GOTA realize his seed is the WORD which is SPIRIT thus his children are spirits the H.G. Plural, gonna be as the stars of heaven and that is no joke its gonna happen Isaiah says behold me and the children, he shall see his seed etc. God swore by his self when he made that Promise i will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven thus we see its God almighty that wants a Posterity just like Abraham but these children are heavenly the H.G ARE THESE CHILDREN, As we have borne the image of the earthy we must also bear ( birth ) the image of the heavenly. Whosoever receives one such Child in MY NAME RECEIVES ME, in my name implies Jesus is the father of the Child simply b/c the Child is conceived by his seed the WORD, HEARING IS CONCEPTION, GESTATION IN THE SPRITUAL REALM, THATS Y ISAIAH CALLS HIM EVERLASTING FATHER, HE IS THE FATHER OF THE H.G. Thats y we refer to the H.G. as the PROMISE, HE IS THE MULTIPLCATION OF CHRIST in US via that good Seed. Ya gona see bumper stickers soon saying i'm with Child of the H.G. Ya remember when Isaiah saw the kingdom coming he said unto US a Child is born thats y he calls himself the Son of MAN. Mankind is gonna bring forth fruit unto God. Thus new birth is th Promise child

Comments on Rev. 12 KJV The woman in travail and birth pains. Which is the World, Jesus said the field is the World where that precious seed is gonna be sown, in the hearts of every man, I will KNOW them All from the least to the greatest. Being bornagain again requires a seed and an intimacy, he wants to know us thats when that good seed th LIVING WORD is gona be sown in our hearts resulting in a CHILD which is the H.G. Thats y he is saying that which is born of the SPIRIT is SPIRIT, THUS THERE IS A BABY CHRIST IN OUR FUTURE thats y he calls himself the Son of Man mankinds fruit unto God via that good seed th living word.Whososever receives one such child in my name receives ME, Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil CHILD you will in no wise enter there IN, Isaiah said a little Child is gonna lead them the Child being the H.G. THE BABES and SUCKLINGS That are gonna be born IN US via his seed the WORD, tHE REASON WE REFER TO THE H.G AS A CHILD IS B/C HE HAS TO BE BORN IN US VIA THE SEED OF CHRIST the contents of the book in the hand of the FATHER, the Child is not of this world, a heavenly being as we have borne the image of the earthy we must also bear the image of the HEAVENLY ( BEING BORN FROM ABOVE ) Jesus tells nic. you can only hear him you cannot see him, Its like the wind,it can only be heard in the spiritual realm, Jesus describes the 2 births as flesh and Spirit. But Jesus refers to that spirit as the SON OF MAN,mankinds fruit unto God the manchild our new innerman, that new creature, 9 times the scripture speaks of a New innerman that has to be born in US. Our old man is in rank with satan,That will fallaway the dog that returns to his vomit BUT OUR new man is Christ in us,Our new heart and new spirit that we so need. The very Kingdom of God in US via that good seed thats how the Kingdom will come via that good seed sown in our hearts. My lil children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you, thats the 2 nd coming th H.G born n US

Comment: Sometimes you have to see a word in use (in the Bible) to see what it pertains to.

Vain has multiple uses.

Exodus 5:9

Let there more work be laid upon the men, that they may labour therein; and let them not regard vain words.

Leviticus 26:16

I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

Leviticus 26:20

And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.

Deuteronomy 5:11

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Deuteronomy 32:47

For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life: and through this thing ye shall prolong your days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

And they gave him threescore and ten pieces of silver out of the house of Baalberith, wherewith Abimelech hired vain and light persons, which followed him.

Judges 11:3

Then Jephthah fled from his brethren, and dwelt in the land of Tob: and there were gathered vain men to Jephthah, and went out with him.

1 Samuel 12:21

And turn ye not aside: for then should ye go after vain things, which cannot profit nor deliver; for they are vain.

1 Samuel 25:21

Now David had said, Surely in vain have I kept all that this fellow hath in the

vain means to boast yourself to be something more than you are. Ordain means to promote someone to do a certain thing.

What does the word vain mean? What is the definition of ordain?

Repentance may be needed until a grace is found from God in Jesus, to completely turn away from the sin both in body and spirit. It may take selling everything you understand in the matter to follow Jesus to have the grace. Prayers for being brave in this are with you and all crying hearts from many who have found this forgiveness.

Travel safely.

Amen.

Ok Joe. Go match that to Book of Daniel, chapters 8-12. I'm interested in what you find. It talks of the Antichrist.

How many times you have to repent?

Correction: Bill Gates pandemic event 201

Learn Gematria and then you will see that everything news is tied together, govt, media, Hollywood, sports all rigged by the #'s. It is said that God created a divine language by merging the number with the letter. It's the same code Jesus Christ was put to death by.

Decoder: Zachary K Hubbard

The Jewish elders learned Gematria during their 70 years in Babylonian captivity. Here's an simple example of the relationship numbers have:

The Pentagon is 77 feet tall, it sits on the 77th meridian, and on 'September Eleventh' (= 77 Reduced) was struck by fight 77, 77 min after takeoff, traveling at 530 mph (= 77 feet per second). So, why did flt 77 (missile) hit the pentagon? Because it was going home, get it?

The days are shortened because the earth is knocked off its axis, and wobbles like a drunkard, Isaiah 24:20. The sun and moon will refuse to shine 1/3rd of the day from the 6th trumpet strike. The days are shortened for lack of light, and provide cover for the 2 witnesses, the 144K elect from the house of Israel & the house of Judah.

Anti-christ must get 42 months of unbroken, absolute power, or prophesy won't be fulfilled.

If you knew Gematria, the code, you would see right through the US govt's exploits. This hoax is attached to Bill Gates, his 202 pandemic rehearsal. Wait till Gates has the "vaccine" and demands everyone gets a shot.

Nothing is done in DC without the code. The US govt operates daily on ancient Babylonian witchcraft, how ironic.

The end-time Anti-christ lives in the beasts camp (Russia), and will be confirmed as the end-time Anti-christ at the day of the Lord, 6th trumpet, when Babylon (America) falls. 1/3rd of mankind perishes that day, 2.5+ billion people.

You would enjoy this book by Arthur E Bloomfield: How To Recognize The Antichrist. He's deceased now, but he's quite the student of prophesy.

There is information in the Book of Daniel, ch 11-12 you can read. 2 Thessalonians has description. Zechariah 14. The little horn in Daniel 8, is the Antichrist.

Information is all over the Bible. I suggest reading all of the references in the Center of each Page. It's lengthy study, takes much time to do it; but the is a much wider perception and explanation of what you're studying.

The anti christ is mentioned twice in these. first 7 verses , perhaps he is revealed as a very charismatic person who draws multitudes to him , then in verse 7 he will be exposed as the anti- Christ. ,, does this make any sense?

What is the physicians in genesis kjv.

First, receiving Christ does not mean that your future sins have been forgiven. That is why John says, "...but if we sin we have an advocate with the Father...", you have to repent to be forgiven as 1 John 1:9 assures us.

Those are not just acts, they are transgressions of the 10 commandments. And sin by definition is transgression of the Law 1 John 3:4 and Romans 4:15. It is a verb with a meaning. Without the commandements, the how do you know that you have sinned, because even Paul in his epistle to the Romans 7:7-13 says that it was because of the law that he knew sin. And there are so many verses from him that forbids us to commit that act of sin.

James in his epistle 2:8-14, tells it very well that we should keep all the 10 commandments and quotes two of them. Having being saved by Christ is by faith, but you show this faith by keeping God's law so that people know that you are saved and through your actions they may get to know God.

With this in mind, there are two kinds of laws in the Bible, the 10 commandments and the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Law is what Christ nailed on the cross and that we have no obligation to follow. But the 10 commandments are perpetual, even Christ Himself says they will never change until heaven and earth come to pass, Matthew 5:18-19.

In the Hebrew nation, before Christ they used to sin knowingly because they knew in the Mosaic law there was a provision that if you sin, you take a lamb or any other animal as prescribed by that law, take it to the priest, confess to it and when it was sacrificed you were forgiven of your sins. But now with Christ, all that was no more, and this applies to us too. That when we sin knowingly we grieve the Holy Spirit because He convicts us of sin, Ephesians 4:30, Matthew 12:30-32.

Saul held the coats. Paul was fully converted and had peace in his soul.

Why did people write laws against God's work....David had more than one wife..Therefore the law is of God not man...

Eric,

That is not what I am saying in a nutshell at all. No believer has a right to commit those acts just because they are saved. A person who has received Christ, their sins are forgiven, past, present, and future. I am not saying that they are free to continue on in sin. I would never tell anyone that they are free to sin because Christ will forgive them.

You bring up 1 John 2:1 so I will share my understanding of that Verse. He says my little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. The term sin is a verb and it is called the Subjunctive Mood. That might not mean anything to you, but it represents committing an act of sin. It is Aorist, single act, Subjunctive, possibility.



If we should commit an act of sin, then God has a provision for us. We can compare this to 1 John 3:9, where he says whoever is born of God does not commit sin, for His seed, that is, God's seed remains in him, and he cannot, or more literally, he is unable to sin because he is born of God.

In John's writings, and especially in the bible, there's a difference between an act of sin and a continuous lifestyle of sin. And that's what he's saying in Chapter 3. Whoever is born of God does not commit, that is, does not continuously live a lifestyle of sin because God's seed is in him. And he's unable to continually sin because he's born of God.



So he's telling us as believers that we do sin, but not habitually as a way of life like we did before we were saved. A person who is genuinely born of the Spirit of God and belongs to Christ continues to sin, but they are acts of sin. A true believer cannot continuously live a lifestyle of habitual sin.

And I don't think that Hebrews 10:26 is talking about saved individuals.

Which commandments does Christ ask us to follow if we love Him and we are His friends, John 14:15,15:14? The rich young ruler who came to Christ seeking to know what he should do to gain eternal life, Christ read from the decalogue, Matthew 19:16-22. The only commandment the young ruler found hard to keep was loving God with all his heart, might, and soul, Deuteronomy 6:5 which even us find hard to keep. The human nature is of sin and what we do best is sin and doing good by God is something foreign to us, Romans 7:14-16, Read Romans chapter 7

Do you think that the ten commandments are supposed to be kept?

Is there anywhere in the Bible where you find the doctrine you have upheld?

Everything is based on love, even the 10 commandments are based on love. Love for God and love for your neighbour, Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. If you say that one does is not required to keep them, but yet they should convict you of sin. When you choose anything else above Christ, then you make it your idol.

In a nutshell you say that one can commit adultery, steal, kill, take God's name in vain, have other gods etc because Christ's love is there to forgive them. When we are told not to sin then what should you do so that you sin not, 1 John 2:1. But also in Hebrews 10:26, we are forbidden to sin knowingly. Unless you keep them, then you are convicted of sin.

Eric,

What you are saying makes perfect sense, especially with the rich young ruler. In John 14:15, Jesus said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments." What commandments? I like to look at is as one command. Jesus said, "Follow me." That is a command. And I believe that if we are truly following Him, everything else lines up. Now here's something that I find interesting about John 14:15. In some of the Greek texts, instead of a command, it is written in the future tense. If you love me, (YOU WILL) keep my commandments. It's a statement of fact.

Everything in our relationship with Jesus Christ is based on love. People make decisions based on who and what they love the most. That's just a normal way of life. When I have to make a decision between two things, I make my decision based on which one I like the most, or which one I love the most. Jesus might be leading me to do something at the same time that there is something else I want to do instead. So now I have to decide, which one do I love the most?

But Jesus says if you love me, you will keep my commandments. The reason why we don't obey the persuasion of His Spirit leading us to do something is that we love something or someone else more. The Lord might want me to study the word, but there's a football game I want to watch. I've got to choose!

With the rich young ruler, his riches meant more to Him than leaving everything behind to follow Christ. As for loving God with all our heart, mind, and soul, we could not do that without the Spirit of Christ living in us. It's His Spirit that gives us that type of love and ability.

You are correct about the human. All the flesh can do is produce flesh. Paul said that in my flesh there is nothing good. The flesh cannot produce anything spiritual and is at constant war with the Spirit of Christ that lives in us. I don't believe that the 10 Commandments were given as a set of rules for us to keep, but were given to convict man of his sin and his need of a Savior.

Which commandments does Christ ask us to follow if we love Him and we are His friends, John 14:15,15:14? The rich young ruler who came to Christ seeking to know what he should do to gain eternal life, Christ read from the decalogue, Matthew 19:16-22. The only commandment the young ruler found hard to keep was loving God with all his heart, might, and soul, Deuteronomy 6:5 which even us find hard to keep. The human nature is of sin and what we do best is sin and doing good by God is something foreign to us, Romans 7:14-16, Read Romans chapter 7

Do you think that the ten commandments are supposed to be kept?

Is there anywhere in the Bible where you find the doctrine you have upheld?

Jesus on the Cross at Calvary finished his work and entered into the Sabbath. It was only a little different for me because I was the guilty thief on the cross, but I saw the Lord's righteousness and I saw my sin and I judged myself worthy of death and wanted His Mercy seat. By faith and hope I cried in anguish to Jesus to save me in the cross. By his Grace he did. Together we entered the rest of the Sabbath. In the morning of the third day, I awoke with Him and laid aside my death clothes and walked with Him out of the tomb a new creature with a new Life. The condition of my heart had been torn from top to bottom and the same heart was clearly circumcised. Jesus directed me to his very own brethren that were meeting on this day.

Regarding Constantine- he combined the Church with the State- a grave and everlasting error.

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The 10 commandments is a representation of God's character and not a burden. The Sabbath was a perpetual or an everlasting covenant between God and his children. It was there before sin, Genesis 2:1-3. By eliminating the Sabbath, you fail to acknowledge God as the creator. Because in the decalogue, He does not give any other reason for it's observance, other than that He created the heavens and earth and all that is in it, Exodus 20:8-11.

This is why you find that the evolution theory, big bang and the theory of natural selection are worldly accepted even in churches, and people believing that the world is billions of years old.

Read about the Emperor Constantine Decree of March 7, 321 AD

The curtain being torn meant that you did not need the earthly high priest to go to the throne of grace on your behalf. The Sanctuary was not for worshipping but for the atonement of sins. The priest was the mediator using the lamb's blood for atonement. But after Christ died, He become our High Priest not using a lamb's blood, but His own. This meant that the earthly sanctuary system had been abolished.

The Sabbath day was to let us rest and to remind us that God created all that is. Christ observed this day, Luke 4:16.

Paul who came after the curtain was torn, kept the Sabbath, Acts 13:14,42-44, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4. No where in the Bible is the Sabbath abolished.

Read James 2:8-11.

Carlton - Bravo and amen

well written both comments