2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 Discussion Page 6

Sir, I believe Satan does not want nor does God allow Satan to kill, Satan wants to cause souls to perish with him. Satan makes the mistake of killing the two witnesses which sounds the 7th trump, 7th seal, and 7th bowl of wrath which is the glory of our Christ coming to make war and judge (Rev)

Revelation Chapter 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

(I believe the woman is the church, the bride of Christ and 1,260 days is not a mere few months)

7 And there WAS WAR IN HEAVEN (past tense) was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Truth, when Satan is kicked out of heaven he comes to deceive the whole world as Revelation 12:7,8,9 tells us and he stands in Jerusalem claiming he is God and with the power he has the world will be deceived. Satan returns as a false messiah and he doesn't care about killing you he wants worshippers. Don't go and don't follow Satan. Wait for the true Christ store food for 3 months and pay your bills up when you see the events begin because he is going to have a one world system and you don't want to follow him if you love Jesus. The time was shorten for the elect sake to 5 months as the book of Revelation tells us.

The entire world is deceived. That's just the normal evil in God's creation. But the greatest enemies of God right now are the churches who are not preaching truth. Almost no churches are speaking truth right now. They are worse than worthless, they are the MOST harmful, because they supposedly represent God. But they lack love of truth and trust in His word. When God's pastors speak no truth, the world has no hope. Satan cannot take credit for this, because it is God Himself who said He would send a great delusion to the world because they were not lovers of the truth. These are the very last days. The one world government only happens once in the Bible, and it is already here. Do not be deceived. Do not take the DNA altering vaccine that will forever connect you to AI. Trust God ruthlessly. Do not trust the government, avoid the media, and fight the lies. God requires full trust in Him from now on. God bless you.

Revelation clue 1

The ''temple'' in which the ''man of perdition'' will be worshipped is the human body, which will happen when our body's DNA is altered to include AI.

Revelation Clue 2

Jerusalem is the original city built on seven hills, about 3000 years before Christ and over 2000 years before Rome. The beast shall rule for a short time is Jerusalem.

Revelation Clue 3

God's ''Israel'' spoken in all Biblical prophecy, along with God's ''Zion'', God's ''Jews'' are all describing Christians, and no one else.

False terms... It is called the time of Jacobs trouble/Daniel 70th week. Guess who it is for?

Romans 10:25-27 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

God wrote a whole chapter from Ezekiel 13 about the biggest lie that has ever been told to the people and the biggest liar is coming that will stand up in Jerusalem claiming he is God so beware. Now in that chapter its speaking of prophets/ preachers whom out of their own minds dream up Devine thinking leaving out God's Devine thoughts an thinking and they, the preachers that God hates came up with the lie to fly to save your soul but to this day I cannot figure out why people listen to preachers who teach the rapture lie. Always Study the KJV and not the Books that say birds that fly. Oh, get an old Strong's concordance.

2 Thessalonians 2:7, I'm thinking upon the pre-tribulation vs post Tribulation, so I see: v7 who now lets will let, (Father) until he be taken out of the way, (Antichrist).

The God the Father let's the evil one work iniquity, until the son of perdition will be revealed and he will be taken out of the way.

Matthew 24:31 and he shall send his Angels with a great sound of a Trumpet and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds.

I see: the last Trump of God , the 7th Trump is the post Tribulation rapture.

I can understand that we have been taught the pre-tribulation rapture is what most believe, but does anyone take the time to search this out. I see: God's rath is poured out at the battle of Armageddon and before that God sends the angels at the last Trump to gather us home. Could this be ?

Verse 7 the letteth is a transitive verb there is no noun so you have to go back to whom is being spoken of. Just know this Rev 12 tells us Satan is kicked out of heaven TO DECEIVE the whole world and scripture tells us it's silent in heaven but woe to people on earth and then a supernatural stands up who can bring lightning or fire from the sky and he claims he is God return. Who do you think it is? He is a False messiah who is going to say follow me I will fly you away. Wait for the true Christ!

Very true, Narelle. We read Scripture often piecemeal, to our shame & continuing in ignorance.

1Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed unto wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. Then we have this verse where he who lets etc be taken away. All other verses in scripture on this subject need to be read. During the tribulation some will refuse the mark and be beheaded. Also 144 thousand Jews will be saved 12 thousand from each of the twelve tribes and we are clearly told they are Eunuchs ( never married.) Before we are raptured there will be a falling away first, apostasy of the church and we are seeing that now. This is my view but no one verse is for private interpretation we have to read all verses pertaining to that particular subject. God Bless to all who read his word.

Read Revelation 12 and you'll see Satan kicked out to deceive those on earth. Now read verses 3 and 4. Let's remember the time was shorten for the elect sake because no one could put up with Satan for 3 an a half years so from the Revelation 9 we know

It's 5 month. When you see a supernatural in Jerusalem stand up and clam he's God don't go following him like the rest of the world stay home and have your bills paid and have food and wait. Half of 5 months and when the two witnesses are killed in a place all can see so watch the news and 3 and a half days later they will Stan up and then you will hear the 7 trump. Oh, there ain't no rapture until all are changed at the 7th trump. Oh, someone should tell the rapture people that Christ is coming here where would the rapture fly to and then think! Gods elect are here waiting for Christ and they think they get to fly to the moon.

Sorry for not responding I tend to for stuff I think I have all timers god forgive me for my sins an my our Angels help us lead our wayz the wright ways everlastinglife n love

There is several counterfeit CHRIST coming first to this Earth one to get the whole world to take that Mark for Peace & Safety ! That will not just give you grievous sore and make you like the walking dead, but damn your souls to Hell forever with them ! That place not originally prepared for us but the Fallen Angels for doing all this ! When beheading is going to be only other option for not taking that Mark ! Why Jesus already made that way, and even way of escape, from that hour that is coming to try the whole world but is not satans counterfeit/s coming to take the world souls if not their heads ! Revelation 13-22 Matthew 24 & Luke 21 & Revelation 6 & 2 Thessalonians 2 & Isaiah 14:9-17

Hello, good question. While I'm not sure, I do believe that after we die we will wait until Jesus returns before we're caught up in the clouds to meet Him. I believe we will have spiritual bodies from that point on, because some are cremated, etc. So, I personally don't believe we avoid judgment and go straight to heaven or hell as is being taught today. 1 Thessalonians 4:17rnrnBy the way, you didn't happen to attend ACU, did you?

There is a companion verse with that.
1 Thessalonians Chapter 4: 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Those who died prior to the tribulation are resurrected at Christ's return.

In below scriptures I mention before, in Rev 20:4-6 , the Bible states that in the First resurrection only they that died for the name and sake of God, those that didn't take the mark, and those that were beheaded and also those that haven't bow before the Beast , will be resurrected and rain with Jesus a 1000 years. All the other dead will only be resurrected after the 1000 years of peace on Earth. According to my finding in Rev 20;4-6 , only those whom fallen in that category will be part in the first resurrection. All the other dead will be awaken after the 1000 years of peace. Please comment on this, thanks

Can someone answer me this - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years

God wants all people to come to the truth. CHRIST DIED FOR THE WORLD! During the resurrection Jesus said, forgive them Father they do not know what they do. If there is no specific evidence today of the occurrences spoken by Paul, it would be a sin to speculate!The preeminence of Jesus Christ as our high Priest is and should be the protestant and catholic teaching!We should not frustrate the Spirit by judging the end of time. Scripture teaches to be aware of the times, and live accordingly but Scaring tactics are not Christs will. Do not judge the popes heart nor his faith. Remember Christs words and be not deceived. Mans sinful nature is to be first in the things that pertain to Godliness!

There is a 6th trump and that's the tribulation and when All and that is all humans being born of flesh because the elect are here to stand against Satan and they are delivered up to death which is Satan so when you see a man with supernatural powers performing tricks that humans can't do and he stands in Jerusalem claiming to be God and the world believes following him, don't go. Time, five months because it was shorten for the elect sake. Then all are changed to spiritual bodies at the 7th trump.

to Simplify The Position I believe is Correct...is This ..I am Post Trib and Pre Wrath and Pre Millinial.
Time of Rapture is when Jesus comes for His Bride at The Midnight Hour... Mt 25:6..under Heavy Persecution by mainly The 3rd Man of Sin That Rev 17 declares a Strong Hint...Letting Satan Resurrect his most Evil Man from the Dead...Mark of The Beast I believe will be The Veri Chip now in production..1st Man of Sin has to be a Jew to ratify The Covenant with Death for 7 yrs .. Dan 9 with Isa 28....The Great Trib is Led by Satan perseuting God's People . Until GOD / Jesus Raptures Us Out of Here at Our Darkest Hour since Creation....Judgment Must begin with Us.. 2nd Peter 4:17..Why is SIN .

sorry, but its impossible to explain every detail in One Paragraph...Jesus is Lord, Jesus is God...God The Eternal Son...Creator , Redeemer , Judge Savior, King of Kings...As God , He has Several Hats if you please to perform....Like at 3 Main Judgments...Giving out Rewards at the Bema Seat...Judging at His 2nd Coming at with Sheep and Goats to see Who is Worthy to Enter The 1000 Year Kingdom and Finally at White Throne ...Time of Wrath at Day of The LORD..Time of Rapture for The Marriage Supper of The Lamb when at the Same Time He is Pouring Out His Wrath for 3 Years upon the Wicked...ps. There will be 3 Men of Sin for 10 yrs .. Dan 7 to 11, not One....We are Ordained to Endure about 7 ...<

Thank You for reading my comments...I have studied this topic for long time...3 to 5 decades during and after seminary ...in which I heard 5 different positions and All had good points and questionable Ones. I took all positions and worked to find common ground and looked then for mistakes....A few of which I named...You may contact me for more infomation if you like...also there is a good book on my position I found...The Sign by Robert VanKampen and a Chart by Rassmussan as well...a Pastor I met in Calif 35 yrs ago..
Tribulation is going to be world wide up all Believers , not just Israel like some teach. and Reasons are obvious...Our Idolaltry and Sinfulness.. OT is full ..God Bless

so the day of Christ is not the day of the Lord? So to you Jesus is not Lord?

Paul in 1 Cor 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation, unless you have another LAST TRUMP.

I Appreciate what you shared Deacon Roger, I too have noticed the same. There is Cult teaching too which Concerns me because it brings Confusion and Doubts but Thankfully there is Gods Uplifting Truth shared here too. Respectfully and I do mean that Deacon Roger as I have been asked the same; How do you know for sure that your sharing all of Gods Truth and not just Bits and Pieces or worse Error.

wow...so much deception is what i see in the comments....Half Trues...2 main Errors...Tribulation is Not God's Wrath...and Day of Christ is Not same as Day of The Lord...Day of Christ is Jesus coming for His Bride...Day of The Lord is Time of 3 Years of God's Wrath upon The Wicked that are Still in Power on Earth...Falling Away is The Church of The Last Days...Luke Warm and Sick... Isa 5 shows God removing The Hedge around His Vineyard...All Over The World...Not just tiny Israel. The Church has been Grafted In to Israel.. Eph. 2:11-20 and Romans 2:29,30...God only has ONE Bride since The Beginning ..Not Two ... Matthew 25: 6..Jesus is Coming for His Bride at Midnight....Our Darkest Hour . PRAY

Friend, the Anti-Christ is established already people call pope with God's name 'holy father' they bow to him and the priests. God rested on the Sabbath the 7th day-Saturday Satan through his agent teaches people to observe sun-day 1st day of the week Christ observed the Sabbath and never abolished the law of God Matthews 5:17-19, Luke 4:16.Christ commands Baptism-immersion in water,antichrist teaches sprinkling of water.Christ says we remember His DEATH andresurrection,satan teaches false birthday-CHRISMAS...EASTER ISHTAR -PAGAN WORSHIP...lets study the warning in 2thess 2 verse 10-12

So many wild fantasies. We should all do good works and let the end cone how it may. But our brethren need physical help and love now. Serve Our Lord.

How could sex be the mystery of iniquity? And if so how could the human beings reproduce and subdue the earth as God commanded them? The sin at Eden was a literal fruit as any other fruit. Only that through it was God needing obedience from man. Eve was alone when she first ate the fruit before taking it to Adam. Genesis 3:1-7. And even today the devil is attacking marriages for he knows when we are separated from our spouses it is easy for him to conquer. The mystery of iniquity was the doctrines of men which led people further away from God. Which also the serpent preached to Eve convincing her to take the fruit.

The falling away happened in 537 AD when the Ostragoths abandoned their siege of Rome. This is the prophecy of Revelation 17 fulfilled. Blasphemy in verse 3 is according to John 10:33 claiming to be God.

Those 70 weeks were all done a long time ago. 69 weeks were 463 years after the Israelites were permitted to rebuild the wall. The other 7 yrs were pertaining Christ's ministry 3.5 years to His death and the other 3.5 years when the apostles preached, Daniel 9:24-27 especially verse 27 speaks of Christ's death by ending of sacrifices. The death of Stephen marked the end of the 490 years when the apostles fled to spread the word to the rest of the world, Acts 8:1.