2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 Discussion Page 7

Indeed there will be a rapture. This was revealed to me by Yahweh himself. If you are certain in your mind that here is no rapture than you are believing a lie, like millions of others who are being taught lies by our religious leaders though inadvertently . It's a great deception designed to induce ungodly religious fear and oppression. God is able to sanctify his people in preparation.

Speaking of falling away that is spoken of in this chapter when all the religious leaders gather the people and the rest of the world falls for Satans deception when he is kicked out of heaven and lands in Jerusalem claiming to be God return the world will be deceived. I even think he'll say he's going to rapture them up. Any lie he can come up with. Wait for the true Christ to return.

Falling away, yes. God the Holy Spirit has left the denominational Churches. They take so many of The Holy Scriptures which are detrimental to the Five Fundamentals of our Faith. Deity of Christ, Virgin Birth, Blood Atonement on the Cross, Bodily Resurrection from the dead, Glorious return to the earth to set-up His Kingdom, in the New Jerusalem. Replacement theology, God is done with Israel.

Election NOT raptured anytime they are delivered up to death, Satan during the tribulation which is 6th trumpet, 6th vial and seal. Jesus returns at the 7th trumpet and we and that's everyone on earth in the flesh and then we will be changed at exactly the 7th Trump when the true Lord Jesus returns. The Greek on antichrist and it's meaning s instead of Christ a false christ is coming first. Wait!

You are exactly right my brother

Let us study and not use "probable, probably, maybe, etc." Anything pertaining to GOD has an answer, we must study The Word in order to give answers to people when it comes to GOD. GOD deals in truth and not probables, these are souls we are working to lead to Salvation. Our mission is to draw all men unto thee through The Gospels of Jesus Christ.

2 Thess is probably not talking about the 'rapture', but Rev 4 is. At the rapture Christ returns FOR the saints. Acts 1:11 At the second coming Christ returns WITH the saints. Rev 19. The Tribulation pertains to Israel Daniel's people , not the church. Dan 10:14 Dan 9:24. 69 wks of years are fulfilled. Only 1 wk of years remain. all 70 wks pertain to Israel - non to the church.

The concept of a pre-tribulation rapture is a false doctrine authored be Satan and disseminated by his messenger, John Darby, in the early 1800's. Satan's purpose with this deception, is to weaken people's faith and resolve, when they realize the tribulation has started and they're still here. The lie has been perpetuated because it's easy to fill seats and collect money by providing false comfort

This verse can only be understood by revelation, this is because that very portion is a mystery. The mystery of iniquity there is referring us what happened in the garden of Eden that it's only by revelation that someone can understand it is sex that took place there. So God is still revealing to his people through aposttle Paul that the mystery to iniquity doeth already happened.

This is a really good chapter

This false Christ speaks of the coming antichrist (but is exposed as one of many antichrists.) It is written, Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and THIS IS that spirit of antichrist, WHEREOF ye have heard that it SHOULD come; and even NOW ALREADY is it in the world.

The body of Christ will leave before the anti -christ is revealed. Verses 5-8 show that he can't be here at the same time as the body of Christ, we keep him from being revealed. We will be caught up "pre-trib" and after the anti-christ is revealed begins the time of Jacob's trouble, Jeremiah 30:7.

Just food for thought we must wake up There is already a temple where Gods temple was at one time recently the. pope who claimes to be Christ incarnate was at this temple recently remember this pope is a Jesuit and there has never been a Jesuit pope before and there is a huge behind the scene push to make a 1 world religion open our eyes Lord!!! Jerry

Most who post on this subject are call "Pre Trib" and say many are"Left Behind" via Jerry Jenkins the great Deciever and they will be saved during the Tribulation but they also say the "Holy Spirit" has been removed!!! My point is simple show me in the kjv how to be saved "without the Holy Spirit"??? Remember you say the Holy Spirit is gone removed not here... Jerry

15: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. (STAND-FAST is a military command yelled out to the soldiers commanding them to prepare heart and mind to NOT move from the POSITION she or he is holding or possess. Our battles with evil are /shall get greater day-by-day so STAND-FAST in the WHOLE ARMOUR of GOD. Wow! Wow! Wow!

those people who claim christianity but did not actually have their heart in it will be left behind as it indicates because they did not love the Truth they therefore became decieved . same as the virgins who did not have oil in their lamps

Big controversy, are Christians going through the tribulation or not. Chapter 2 of 2 Thessalonians says we are going through it. Read it carefully verse by verse and see if you can truly understand it. Pray first that the Lord will give you understanding and reveal His truth in this chapter. 1

The end time war is fought by the Lord at the very end of this earth age and not by men. Antichrist comes as a man pleaser so that he can be worshipped and have a one world system and the world will believe he is Christ return but not the election or the two witnesses. The 2 will lay dead in the street where all can see and when they stand up THEN Christ returns. No fly away, no other ways. WAIT!

T-tine you should mention Satan is coming in his greatest acting role because he is claiming to be God and will say he is Christ and in his performance will be acting in peace, a false peace but the world will believe because of Satans supernatural abilities they bow down to him. Then at the end of the five month period 7th Trump Christ returns with hail stones and fire.

"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie"
Since it is impossible for God to lie, God sends them a delusion and the antichrist gives them the lie, using the delusion to convince people of the lie.

This scripture is really amazing. But what is fascinating is that idea of the temple. I think the temple is sanctuary or any sacred thing offered up for the veneration of God...implying in my mind cross culturatural deception. He would come in form to exemplify all the religious teachings of his time.

2thess2 message is lost on you..
Proof of the end time famine!
Satan is coming at 6th trump Christ is coming at 7th. God's elect #144000 ,they won't worship the antichrist (satan) 2thess2 is warning you satan is coming !!

Were we also begotten from a virginal state or conceived by the word? Rather, we have been born again by the word. Let us therefore strengthen ourselves as virgins in the [...]. (144,000 virgins?)
Testimony of Truth (Dead Sea Scrolls)

The Tribulation is Not The Wrath of God. It's Persecution against All Believers And All The Jewish People, They will Suffer Greatly. / The Wrath of God is a Time of torment, His Wrath being Poured out on The loss. I Heard a Great Voice out of The Temple Saying to The Seven Angels, Go Your Ways and Pour out The Vials of The Wrath of God upon The Earth Revelation 16:1-21

2nd advent = last day. John 6:39, 40, 44 Math. 13:30 tares

2thess2 is letting us know we're not to worship Satan when he comes at the 6th trump, Christ isnt coming till the 7th trump..
@bruce Rev 20 the first resurrection is refering to the believers who overcome the hour of temptation, most are waiting to be raptured..completely unprepared for Satan's arrival 2thess2 refers to,hence the falling away. many Christians will be deceived,missing 1st resurrect

Blessed and Holy is he that hath Part in The First Resurrection--:Revelation20:6. That is for All Believers. 2nd for the loss./ Tribulation started 2Thousand Years ago. We must through much Tribulation enter The Kingdom of God. Acts14:22. You can use Persecution,Trouble or Tribulation, in the Greek it is all the same word.

if the church go up to heaven at the beginning of the 7 years when does the 144 thousand jews go to heaven?

Paul said in many scriptures that when he preached the Gospel, or Salvation message, he preached it not with enticing words of mans wisdom but in the power and demonstration of the Holy Spirit, so that our faith would not rely in mans wisdom. Jesus paid a heavy price for the salvation of the Spirit and also for healing of the body. By His stripes we are healed. Still the same.

Ivan (really lastly); Of course Thomas is a prime example of one who had to be persuaded by actually seeing and touching in order to know for sure. But seeing is seeing; and though it may certainly move some to action of faith; it is still the inner man's response to the Lord's voice; and, "Blessed are they who have not seen, and yet believe." Write me back! :)