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Hi Timothy. Just looking at the Scriptures on Luke, I note that he was a close friend of the Apostle Paul, who referred to him as 'the beloved physician' ( Colossians 4:14). He is also spoken of as a "fellow labourer" ( Philemon 1:24).
During Paul's second missionary journey, Luke connected with Paul in Asia Minor ( Acts 16:6-11. Verse 10 particularly indicates this: "WE endeavoured to go into Macedonia"). Luke was then left in Philippi ( Acts 17:1: "THEY", Luke excluded) and then re-connected with Paul to travel with him on the third missionary journey ( Acts 20:5: "US").
Luke also accompanied Paul on his journey to Jerusalem & then to Rome and was with Paul during his imprisonment there ( 2 Timothy 4:11: which you had quoted). So, you can see that Luke, with many others (in the Church & on the 'mission field'), played a vital role in Paul's ministry & provided him with fellowship & encouragement. And of course Luke's medical knowledge, no doubt would have been useful to both Paul & maybe those in such need in their travels.
it is written the preaching of the cross to the jews; a stumbling block; to the greeks foolishines.
but to those jews and gentiles that believes it is the power of god. that should answer your question if not maybe a little...peace...god is love not that love that the world gives but spiritual love which surpasses all understanding.
Believing in Gods provision for Salvation__through His Son Jesus - In Reply on 2 Timothy 4 - 2 years ago
All people, Jew or Gentile, that have been circumcised in their hearts; that BELIEVE on Jesus for Salvation.
" Ezekiel 36:26 - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Psalms 51:10 - Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me."
Book of John 3, also 1-2-3 John at the back of the Bible.
It has nothing to do with religions. It has everything to do with relationship and obedience to God.
I find it amazing, in the scriptures we can experience a full literary picture by the details.
The Bible is called "A Living Word" by some believers; I believe it's because we can always receive more wisdom, direction, & insight, year by year through reading again & again, study & researching the Bible's pages, stories & scritures.
You ask about 2Timothy 4:13, please see 2Timothy 4:21,22,
Note 2Timothy 4:16,17,
The emphasis seems to be, needing his cloak before winter, because he was imprisoned, left in the mercy of men
What's beautiful to me is he says "especially the parchments", that's most possibly our scriptures, by their service, faithfulness, determination & dedication. I've even considered how difficult it was in that time to find & obtain parchment.
2Corinthians 2:12, "Carpus" might have been that "open door"
Acts 16 & Acts 20, mention also the place called Troas, it may have been during the days they were there, in Troas,
Please notice; Acts 20:13,22,23,25,37,38,
See also 2Timothy 2:1,3,9,11,
We can just make assumption, did Paul leave it there, because he didn't think he'd make it to winter?
Please note: The website now has a Concordance included. If you click on the verse= it goes to another page. At the bottom of the page, it has definition, translation & the Concordance number for specific word translated, you can further research greek & other original translation.
In 2 Timothy 4, verse 13, who is Carpus other than a Christian friend to Paul and is this the only place in the Bible that he is mentioned? what is the meaning of his name in the Greek? i understand that it means "fruit" ..... is that correct? Why did Paul choose him to leave his cloak (blanket) with?
John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Luke 8:5-8 Jesus said this very plain to see. You see the seed is Jesus, some fell on a rock these didn't want to be a new creature, others by the way side wouldn't follow Jesus, others fell among thorns - you can't have both Jesus and the world, And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. If you want to follow Jesus you can. Joining a church don't save, John 3:7 Ye must be born again --- (Just believing alone don't save)
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. II Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
We live in a world and bodies that are corrupted by the effect of sin.so, therefore, we have diseases, pestilence, disasters, tragic accidents, criminal behavior, etc. as a result. God does direct these results of sin in such a way to accomplish His purposes, but He does not do evil.
Also, allowing us to have free will does not enhance God at all. It benefits us in that we know that our worship of Him is by our love and choice, not forced and His revelation of Himself in history benefits us because otherwise we would not know Him well enough to comprehend how worthy He is of our love and worship by our own choice. God's wisdom in making us how we are is far above what we could ever understand. That is why trust is so important in our lives. We can trust God with all that we cannot understand and have hope in Him when we see such suffering, and we can have faith in Him when we feel burdened by our sinfulness.
My second answer to this question about suffering is the original sin. Adam and Eve broke the covenant with God, violating His rules, and as a result of the consequences, life on earth is no longer a paradise it originally was. The curse of childbirth, curse of struggle and toil to make ends meet, the curse of death and declining health. It's a result of sin that life is hard, and I believe that this scenario is also used as a test of character which I think character will stay with us into the afterlife.
My only input is when people have freewill they complain about people using it to choose evil, but if we were forced into being obedient robots, people would then complain about how they don't have freewill. You can't have both.
Which is more meaningful to a parent: a child willingly saying I love you when the child doesn't have to, or a child being required and forced to say it? Of course the first, and I believe it's likewise more meaningful to God when we willingly choose to follow and obey Him. God loved us enough to allow us to choose, knowing that many sadly would choose to deny and disobey Him.
It's like this Genesis: GOD gave dominion to man over the Earth, including sea. Gen. 1:28, It's a ' stewardship ' that all men will give an account for. Matthew 25:31-46, yet the Earth still belongs to GOD : 1Corinthains 10:26,
GOD gave Moses a set of "Best Laws" That if people obeyed, would cut down on suffering. Instead many have rebelliously rejected, mocked & ignored & refusal to enforce. Whose then to blame for suffering in consequence? Proverbs 3:27,
I think it amazing that GOD intervenes on our behalf so many times. Exodus 3:9, Psalms 12:5,
& ultimately gave us Salvation John 3:16-18, Ecclesiastes 5:8,
He created us with FREE will. Like Adam and Eve we can choose to obey and follow God; or we choose to follow our own wills; often to our own HURT.
God does not forcibly prevent us from making hurtful choices. But He stands at the Ready, for us to come back to Him. To apologize for being self-willful. He doesn't walk away from us. We walk away from Him.
That "voice" of rebellion and chaos, is straight from Satan's suggestions. Learn to recognize it. He wants us to suffer and blame God for it. He wants it to build a wall of mistrust between you and God. Psalm 23 says, "THOU art with me. I will fear no evil."
From my own failures, I come to remember the exact moment that I chose my way..and not Gods. Sometimes we make terrible heartbreaking choices, that we have to live the rest of our lives remembering. But we can be restored fully__if we accept it. Choices. Satan wants us to absolutely Blame God for our choices. Resist that. Own it. Go forward, a wiser person. Like Jesus on the Cross, step on Satan's head. Genesis 3:15. The last part of Genesis 3:17.
Let us turn back to Jesus and be restored newer, more wise of the pitfalls. LOVE covers a multitude of sins. Be wise in Gods eyes; not your own.
Life returns to Joy. Like Jacob had to do_build a memorial of stones and leave the hurtful memories of sin There. You know it's out there. Just purpose to leave it there. You wrestled and came away a little bruised. God changed your name.
Scriptures are not pretty stories. They tell us how to live through hard, hurtful times. How to be restored with more than enough; as Job was in the last chapter. Faithful is He that promised.
Don't give your hard won joy, to satans attempts to cloud your mind with resentment and regurgitated memories. Think upon the memorial mound of stones. It's buried. Leave it there.
You are the object of Gods Love; and Jesus's sacrifice.
Jesse An additional point Jesus was baptized to fulfill scripture in Isaiah and to prepare peoples hearts to receive Jesus Christ. A great statement behold, listen up people the lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world. Can you imagine being in that crowd and hearing that.
John probably did not baptize Jesus in anyone's name. What we have to keep in mind is that when John baptized Jesus, it was before Jesus gave any command to baptize in the name of...............
Seeking to find additional information about how did Aquila and Priscilla saved Paul in Corinth before going to Ephesus. This is outlined in Acts 18 but the reason was never stated; a little information was given in research.
S Spencer something we shouldn39t forget on 2 Timothy 4:22 - 3 years ago
Here's something would save us a lot of time when we minister lost, whether using scripture or not, We have the tendency to set aside what brought us to the truth,
Can a person feel the way you do or see what you see if he have a different spirit than you? Why do we use reasoning so often rather than scripture? Why not lead them to Christ for a filling of what you have in you, Once the Lord opens their eyes maybe they will see what you do and hear what you hear. As Jesus said my sheep here my voice.
Romans 8:7. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
1 Corinthians 2:13-16. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
There are a few Scriptures where Paul writes about his work among the believers, but I feel that 1 Corinthians 9:1,2 may be the closest to what you seek. There is a verse in Acts 1:20 mentioning "bishoprick", but that has nothing to do with what you want (it's a quotation taken from a Psalm).
May we not falter, but remind ourselves of the many lost souls, and the back slidden brethren who need a loving and kind hand of grace.
Happy New Year everyone! Let us all walk in the love of the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
December 29, 2023
During Paul's second missionary journey, Luke connected with Paul in Asia Minor ( Acts 16:6-11. Verse 10 particularly indicates this: "WE endeavoured to go into Macedonia"). Luke was then left in Philippi ( Acts 17:1: "THEY", Luke excluded) and then re-connected with Paul to travel with him on the third missionary journey ( Acts 20:5: "US").
Luke also accompanied Paul on his journey to Jerusalem & then to Rome and was with Paul during his imprisonment there ( 2 Timothy 4:11: which you had quoted). So, you can see that Luke, with many others (in the Church & on the 'mission field'), played a vital role in Paul's ministry & provided him with fellowship & encouragement. And of course Luke's medical knowledge, no doubt would have been useful to both Paul & maybe those in such need in their travels.
What role did Luke play in Paul's ministry?
it is written the preaching of the cross to the jews; a stumbling block; to the greeks foolishines.
but to those jews and gentiles that believes it is the power of god. that should answer your question if not maybe a little...peace...god is love not that love that the world gives but spiritual love which surpasses all understanding.
A Light of revelation to the Gentiles,
And the glory of Your people Israel.
Romans 3:29
Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,
" Ezekiel 36:26 - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Psalms 51:10 - Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me."
Book of John 3, also 1-2-3 John at the back of the Bible.
It has nothing to do with religions. It has everything to do with relationship and obedience to God.
when GOD calls his people back home, does that include Gentiles? or just the original Jews?
Thank you
john
I find it amazing, in the scriptures we can experience a full literary picture by the details.
The Bible is called "A Living Word" by some believers; I believe it's because we can always receive more wisdom, direction, & insight, year by year through reading again & again, study & researching the Bible's pages, stories & scritures.
You ask about 2Timothy 4:13, please see 2Timothy 4:21,22,
Note 2Timothy 4:16,17,
The emphasis seems to be, needing his cloak before winter, because he was imprisoned, left in the mercy of men
What's beautiful to me is he says "especially the parchments", that's most possibly our scriptures, by their service, faithfulness, determination & dedication. I've even considered how difficult it was in that time to find & obtain parchment.
2Corinthians 2:12, "Carpus" might have been that "open door"
Acts 16 & Acts 20, mention also the place called Troas, it may have been during the days they were there, in Troas,
Please notice; Acts 20:13,22,23,25,37,38,
See also 2Timothy 2:1,3,9,11,
We can just make assumption, did Paul leave it there, because he didn't think he'd make it to winter?
Please note: The website now has a Concordance included. If you click on the verse= it goes to another page. At the bottom of the page, it has definition, translation & the Concordance number for specific word translated, you can further research greek & other original translation.
Hopefully these are helpful in your study.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Luke 8:5-8 Jesus said this very plain to see. You see the seed is Jesus, some fell on a rock these didn't want to be a new creature, others by the way side wouldn't follow Jesus, others fell among thorns - you can't have both Jesus and the world, And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. If you want to follow Jesus you can. Joining a church don't save, John 3:7 Ye must be born again --- (Just believing alone don't save)
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. II Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
We live in a world and bodies that are corrupted by the effect of sin.so, therefore, we have diseases, pestilence, disasters, tragic accidents, criminal behavior, etc. as a result. God does direct these results of sin in such a way to accomplish His purposes, but He does not do evil.
Also, allowing us to have free will does not enhance God at all. It benefits us in that we know that our worship of Him is by our love and choice, not forced and His revelation of Himself in history benefits us because otherwise we would not know Him well enough to comprehend how worthy He is of our love and worship by our own choice. God's wisdom in making us how we are is far above what we could ever understand. That is why trust is so important in our lives. We can trust God with all that we cannot understand and have hope in Him when we see such suffering, and we can have faith in Him when we feel burdened by our sinfulness.
My only input is when people have freewill they complain about people using it to choose evil, but if we were forced into being obedient robots, people would then complain about how they don't have freewill. You can't have both.
Which is more meaningful to a parent: a child willingly saying I love you when the child doesn't have to, or a child being required and forced to say it? Of course the first, and I believe it's likewise more meaningful to God when we willingly choose to follow and obey Him. God loved us enough to allow us to choose, knowing that many sadly would choose to deny and disobey Him.
Genesis 8:21-22, Gen. 9:9-17, therefore HE made a covenant of mercy. Yet HE also makes promises of giving an "account"
Genesis 9:5-6, Psalms 37, Isaiah 61:3, Romans 12:9, Hebrews 10:30, Jude 1:7,
It's like this Genesis: GOD gave dominion to man over the Earth, including sea. Gen. 1:28, It's a ' stewardship ' that all men will give an account for. Matthew 25:31-46, yet the Earth still belongs to GOD : 1Corinthains 10:26,
GOD gave Moses a set of "Best Laws" That if people obeyed, would cut down on suffering. Instead many have rebelliously rejected, mocked & ignored & refusal to enforce. Whose then to blame for suffering in consequence? Proverbs 3:27,
I think it amazing that GOD intervenes on our behalf so many times. Exodus 3:9, Psalms 12:5,
& ultimately gave us Salvation John 3:16-18, Ecclesiastes 5:8,
Hopefully this is helpful
He created us with FREE will. Like Adam and Eve we can choose to obey and follow God; or we choose to follow our own wills; often to our own HURT.
God does not forcibly prevent us from making hurtful choices. But He stands at the Ready, for us to come back to Him. To apologize for being self-willful. He doesn't walk away from us. We walk away from Him.
That "voice" of rebellion and chaos, is straight from Satan's suggestions. Learn to recognize it. He wants us to suffer and blame God for it. He wants it to build a wall of mistrust between you and God. Psalm 23 says, "THOU art with me. I will fear no evil."
From my own failures, I come to remember the exact moment that I chose my way..and not Gods. Sometimes we make terrible heartbreaking choices, that we have to live the rest of our lives remembering. But we can be restored fully__if we accept it. Choices. Satan wants us to absolutely Blame God for our choices. Resist that. Own it. Go forward, a wiser person. Like Jesus on the Cross, step on Satan's head. Genesis 3:15. The last part of Genesis 3:17.
Let us turn back to Jesus and be restored newer, more wise of the pitfalls. LOVE covers a multitude of sins. Be wise in Gods eyes; not your own.
Life returns to Joy. Like Jacob had to do_build a memorial of stones and leave the hurtful memories of sin There. You know it's out there. Just purpose to leave it there. You wrestled and came away a little bruised. God changed your name.
Scriptures are not pretty stories. They tell us how to live through hard, hurtful times. How to be restored with more than enough; as Job was in the last chapter. Faithful is He that promised.
Don't give your hard won joy, to satans attempts to cloud your mind with resentment and regurgitated memories. Think upon the memorial mound of stones. It's buried. Leave it there.
You are the object of Gods Love; and Jesus's sacrifice.
Mishael
John probably did not baptize Jesus in anyone's name. What we have to keep in mind is that when John baptized Jesus, it was before Jesus gave any command to baptize in the name of...............
Can a person feel the way you do or see what you see if he have a different spirit than you? Why do we use reasoning so often rather than scripture? Why not lead them to Christ for a filling of what you have in you, Once the Lord opens their eyes maybe they will see what you do and hear what you hear. As Jesus said my sheep here my voice.
Romans 8:7. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
1 Corinthians 2:13-16. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Sanctification comes after Salvation. Tbank you