2 Timothy Chapter 4 Discussion Page 2

You may read & consider the following Scriptures. But I should say, that when I think of a Christian as being permanently saved & can never lose his/her salvation, I think of a person who has come to Christ on God's Directions & Terms & has God's indwelling Spirit in them; as opposed to those who have not, & just 'grace' a Church building with their presence or may lead hypocritical lives, or for many other reasons. So, these Scriptures apply to a true believer, purchased by God through His Son, clearly showing that God never discards His children.

John 10:27-30; John 3:3,16,36; John 5:24; John 6:37,39; 1 John 5:13; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Ephesians 1:13,14; Philippians 1:6; Romans 8:29,30,38,39.

there is no such biblical text

What scripture tells us once saved everyday

That's correct Sir. Our salvation is dependent on our faith in the finished work of Jesus on the Cross & nothing else attached to it. When we repent of our sins & God forgives, we are born again of His Spirit (i.e. baptized by the Spirit) through His indwelling & given a new start, new life & new power to live for Jesus. Subsequent to that mighty event, the believer begins his journey with an inward & outward testimony via water baptism.

When Jesus spoke those words in Mark 16:16, He spoke of the future salvation experience of those who come to Him via the Cross. If we want to associate water baptism as a requirement for salvation, two problems occur:

1. any act, even baptism, cannot contribute to a salvation by faith, or else salvation doesn't come through faith alone but with a fusion of both. So the person who says he believes & is then told that he has to be baptised to be saved, is immediately made to believe that an extra requirement is necessary to effect salvation. Then the question: what else am I required to do? Am I truly a Christian - supposing I've neglected to do something else? Jesus was simply stating that salvation requires belief (faith) only - baptism then as a natural immediate response. "But he that does not believe is damned": could we have a person who has been baptised & yet not truly 'believing'? Sure can. I know of a few, baptised, evidently spoke in 'tongues', etc. & now having rejected the Lord - no saving faith - no salvation, in spite of baptism & more.

2. what happens when one cannot be baptized: whether due to old age, serious illness, insufficient time between saving faith & baptism (i.e death has occurred), teaching of the Church or even a great passing of time from first believing. If baptism as well is necessary for salvation, then none of the above would have any hope of forgiveness & eternal life and could there be many living full victorious Christian lives who have never been baptised & are actually deceived & lost?

So Chris I hear you say we are saved and then get baptized mark 16 tells us he that believes and is baptized shall be saved not vice versa!

With all respect to your Pastor, the Bible reveals to us many things about water baptism that is not generally practised by the Church today. For various reasons, mainly for convenience & expediency, we do things differently now. For example, rarely does a sinner get saved & is then baptised soon afterwards - sometimes it can be weeks, months or years. The baptism is generally done within the confines of a Church building, whereas the object of it is for the personal & public testimony to others (outsiders) that this person who has left all is now identifying with Christ alone. The sinner who is saved is also asked to sit in for several sessions of Bible study & counselling to ensure he is ready of baptism (when did this happen in the Scriptures?). And as you've written, baptism seems to be done by pastors or elders, when another person (maybe by the one who has led or been witness to the sinner's salvation experience) can & should be the baptizer.

Maybe, your Pastor might believe in a special authority or power given to those appointed as Church leaders, to administer this ordinance or that only such an appointment can truly determine the reality of the baptizee's faith. Yet, in the days of the early Church, there was no such requirement: people got saved by hearing the Gospel & soon afterwards were baptized as an extension of that salvation experience. Though it is true that the apostles, because of the newness of the Church, did baptize folk & later, the leaders of the Church also did so as instructed by the apostles, but the Word never indicates that to baptize someone is only the responsibility of pastors. Nevertheless, please don't think ill of this servant of the Lord - we are not called to judge but to esteem one another in love & to learn from the Word under his direction.

my pastor says not all can baptize

is this for real? i know folks that have baptized their children ! when they could understand salvation . although the command was given to the apostles in matt. ?? jim d.

God has no grandchildren, each person must know him as Lord and Saviour for themselves. Other people cannot know your personal confidence with the same passion. Their understanding unto salvation will only come to them by the grace of God and that's what you must pray for. What you know is because God told you, and they also must hear God. The best truth you can tell them about what you know is "I know whom" 2Timothy 1:12

Sound doctrine was the commandment of God given in Eden, and Adam turned from hearing it, as also Cain turned from hearing God. So, since that time men reject God. However, "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17 God is faithful to sow his word in this world. Romans 10:8-11

My grandchildren are asking me how do I know that when I make my transition from this life how do I know where I'm going to spend eternity. I told them what the Scripture said, too be absent from the body I'll be with the Lord. Help me to explain to them so that they will understand. Thanks very much.

Pastor Jones sir I don't believe much has changed look at ! Timonthy 4 @ timothy 3, these are the warnings.

Pastor jones that has been for quite sometime but there are still plenty who choose to believe.

My comment is that the word of God is not being accepted in today's world as it was meant to be,are we in that time when man have turned from sound doctrine?

The rapture doctrine is apart of the fables spoken of in this chapter , read the context .

But all men forsook me, I pray God that it may not be layed to their charge.

I have video of evangelists and elders using N.I.V. bibles in different churches Turned to fables.
In newer translated bibles fables is replaced with the word myth.
There is a difference between fables and myths.
Even at the codex sinitrous website at 2 Tim 4:3-4 it clearly reads fables.
There must be sound and unsound doctrine.
The kjv bible is the word of God proven.

there are many videos were men are turned to fables that I can post...
Psalm 12 is proven true as well..

Psalm 12:6-7 King James Version (KJV)
6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as si

See now O man: Stand fast by the repentance given thee by the grace of GOD, my Holy Father, for it is GOD'S perfect will that ye perish not. Verily, verily I say unto thee, as written in the Holy Scriptures, And it shall be when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What is this? that thou shalt say unto him, By strength of hand the LORD brought us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage:

I also felt as if I was read my story. He will say well done my child.

Hello my friend. I truly do not see Paul having bitterness in his heart. On the contrary I believe his statements from verses 1-9 shows he believes he did the best he could and it did work. He has minister to many cities and helped start with others new churches. He fought the fight and won. He converted many people and encouraged others to follow him. So I did not see bitterness. I saw much mor

When I first started reading this I truly felt I was reading my own thoughts. Very well written my friend. Bless my friend

I am inspired by this scripture written by the apostle paul. it has a deep abiding spirit of confirmation of the serious work that is before us,for those who are called to bare witness to the truth, and the task of spreading the gospel of jesus christ...i just enjoy the spiritual food of his words in 2019 they are so real and relevant in today's world and it has enlightened me as well.

We meet again. Very well said. Your words are encouraging. I lean on the Lord for strength, whether it is written, through praying, or just talking to him. I pray for the evil people because their souls are in the hands of the devil.

To live this life is to suffer your whole life as l did, not realizing that because you had a calling in your life when born. You were chosen to do special things for the Lord. But growing up did not know God fully, but instead the world ways. Evilness lerked near me causing many a fall and being alone. But God and l fought the trial off. Not knowing-- l climbed out of the pits stronger then ever. Now in the ending of my life l go out fighting for others. With the Light surrounding me, no one will touch me unless the Lord lets them. My strength comes from the Lord each day. Even though the evilness of this world trys and destroy me. I wake up another day living moment to moment walking in His Son Jesus shoes. No turning back now. I chose this fight to the end. Choose this day who you will serve. Fight to the end!!!!

I read this with confirmation to what Timothy was writing here. We see and are experiencing the identical attitude in this present time 2019. Know we are God witnesses and will experience the same thing our brethren did in Jesus Christ time. May we continue to fight the good fight of faith , love the brethren and close any demonic doors to satan. He s rejected knowing his weakness. Moving forw

Verse 5 We want to share the good news and make sure that we fully accomplish our ministry. The best way to do this is by imitating Jesus Christ and the way that he carried out his ministry.

"I Have Fought The Good Battle Of Faith And I Have Finished The Race." Paul Was Not Saying As We Might Think- I Can See The Cry With Bitterness From His Heart. This Realy Makes Me Cry Because Its Very Difficult Time In Christianity. Thats Why Many People Fade. May Jesus Strengthen Us Like Paul, 254702123818

1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom

John.6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

VS 1-8:(7): Brother Paul is assured, and rightly so, to say: I have Fought a Good Fight: I have Finished my Course; I have kept the Faith! Our Lord knew what great sufferings Paul would encounter for His Cause: What dedication: Humility: Endurance: Realized: KNEW: HE COULD DO ALL THINGS THROUGH CHRIST WHO STRENGTHENTH HIM! What a testimony: What a Transformation: Only God can make that change.

Yes: Most Churches Do Not Preach,Saved by The Blood of The Lamb.They Look and Sound Good(They are Verses 3-4) We are in The Tribulation. Most Say The Tribulation is The Wrath of God, it is Not. Tribulation Started about 2000Yrs. Ago. It's Satan Attacking Believers.Trying to Destroy Truth. Believers are Heavily Persecuted in Other Countries. NOT HERE? Preach How to be Saved. YOU WILL BE. STAND UP

Reading this Chapter, what’s happening today. Thank God for Brother Paul. Our Lord: Brother Paul: suffered: All who name the Name of Jesus shall suffer Persecution. None of us is
IMMUNED.Suffer with Him: Reign with Him. No CROSS: No CROWN: HALLELUJAH: Jesus is our Example. Expect everyone to like us: Say good things about us: How they treated Jesus: They will treat us much worse.

Verse 10: Demas left the seeking first of spiritual things o. Favor of material advantages. We must learn to be content and rely on Jehovah God in order to avoid committing the same mistake.