Acts Chapter 22 Discussion Page 3

Jesse, please don't twist the Scripture to make it say what ya want it to say. Paul told Christian that he suffers not a woman to teach, but to be in silence. It is against God's law/order for a woman to speak in church. There is no other scripture changing that truth. So where in the Bible does it say that in the early church men sat on one side and women on the other? It doesn't and you have absolutely zero proof that it happened that way. That is a feministic view to twist the Word to make it say what they want it to say.

Bob, Yes sir, sure did. Deborah was used by the Lord when there were no stand up men left in Israel. An exception to God's Law order. But there are PLENTY of God fearing MEN left in the world today. But there are thousands of wicked women disobeying God preaching and teaching, when they ought not (if these women are saved at all).

Timothy learned as a child from his mother and grandmother AT HOME, just like I did, At HOME.

I've read the Bible thru MANY times. Just finished the book of Deuteronomy and now in the book of Joshua. How many one parent homes are women with their children collecting goverment subsidies and child support, that failed to do her God given duties and the man couldn't handle her feminism any more and left her? Feminists are taking over. God does NOT like feminism at all. You keep coming up with all kinds of Comments, but not a single verse of scripture to back up tou point. I have every time

Sir, she did not say she was pastoring a church. Had she of said that, then my position would be different. I don't believe that women teaching children in Sunday school is wrong, unless of course men are mixed in with the children, then we have a problem.

1 Cor. 14:34-35, Let your women keep silence in the churches, and if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

The word woman in scripture is also the word for wife, which meets the criteria for here. Let your women, or wives, keep silence in the churches:

Paul is talking about women being disruptive. It has nothing to do with teaching. In the early church, they had men on one side and the women on the other. Men could not be with women, and women could not be with men.

Somebody is up there teaching, and somebody's wife is over on the other side going "Hey Fred, do you agree with that? What do you think?" They are talking across the room, being disruptive!

You are correct. Thank you for your kind response.

Ever hear of Deborah the prophetess and judge? Judges 4:4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. I suppose when the Lord can not find a man worthy for the job, he will send a woman. I would rather learn from a Godly woman, than a heretic man, which the church world is full of today. Yes I know what Paul writes.

Who taught Timothy? 2 Timothy Chapter 1:3 I thank God, whom I serve from [my] forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day;

4 Greatly desiring to see thee, being mindful of thy tears, that I may be filled with joy;

5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

There is a huge amount of scripture in Deuteronomy about teaching children. It's a blessing of obedience. I realize Deuteronomy is tedious to read but God meant for the teachings to be carried through the future. He could see our reality now for kids: youtube silliness and videos how to undo parental controls, Netflix and worse. Even if you put your kid in a private Christian school, they're going to do what their parents and peers do.

I did not say women are to be priests in the home. Her role is in proverbs 31. I said in the absence of a husband who behaves as priest in the home... she will have to do it. If you know to do right and don't do it, the family suffers. How many of our children are living in a one parent home? Research that! You need to slow down and read what someone is commenting on before you come out with guns blazing.

Facts remain. Teach the kids to love God and obey Gods will for their lives. Not just Deuteronomy but all of Proverbs too.

Yes, husbands are to love their wives, NOT submit to them. The man is the head of the household, ruler of his castle

Jessie, you err seriously. The Bible does NOT tell husbands to submit to their wives. That's a total lie. Show the scriptures that says that. You won't find any.

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. As a woman should submit herself onto the Lord, she should do likewise to her husband. Husbands are to rule their homes, not the wife. Here's the lowdown on who women should teach (and not in the church)

The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Jesse, she says Years of teaching Sunday morning and afternoon and evening had me perplexed by seeming contradictions. Most people go to church on Sunday mornings and evenings. Where else would she be teaching. The role of teaching was given to men, not to women, hence Paul not allowing a woman to teach. By doing this, she IS usurping authority. Would ya say robbing a bank was ok, as long as it was for a good cause? No.

Women are allowed to teach children in a Sunday school setting. WRONG

Paul say a woman should not teach in church period. How can a woman teach in Sunday School if "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak.

Or at home if the man is not fulfilling that role. A woman should teach their children about the Lord AT Home. That is scriptural.

Mishael:If the husband will not be the priest of the household, the women have to do it.

Prove that using only scriptures ! That's a satanic lie. There was NEVER a woman priest in the Old Testament or the New Testament. I am helping the woman by edifying her with the scriptures to not teach. Women are to LEARN at home and to use this information to live godly lives and to not be an embarassment to their husbands.

And just where in the OT or NT does the scriptures tell anyone to do "family" prayers? That's not what Jesus, the Founder of Christianity, taught. This is what Jesus says about prayer.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. Matt 6:6

Y'a gotta think outside that little box of who does what.

No, when ya put aside the Scriptures, that's PRIDE and doing what is right in your own eyes. God wants HIS will to be done, not yours

Jesse, I agree with your position & understanding of the Scripture. Except, I believe that it is: "husbands love your wives" & not "submit". Well, that's okay, even my wife thinks it is: "husbands submit to your wives, in the Lord".

Patricia,

Can you please share where in scripture I can find that every Jew had to be saved before they could take the message to the nations. I do not know of any place where Paul taught that. Are you referring only to those who were sent out, or every Jew?

Sir, I both agree and disagree with what you're saying. First, I do not see anything in Patricia's post stating that she is pastoring a church, or usurping authority over a man. I agree with 1 Timothy 2:12, but that is speaking of a woman being in authority over a man in the church, or pastoring a church, not that a woman cannot teach at all. Women are allowed to teach children in a Sunday school setting, or at home if the man is not fulfilling that role. Women are also allowed to teach other women. However, women are not to hold a position of authority over the men in the church. In other words, women are not allowed to pastor the church. This is not to say that women are inferior to men, and there are plenty of women who would be much better teachers than some of the men out there. But God's order in the church is God, Christ, Man, Woman. As far as submission goes, it always involves a third person, Wives submit to their husbands, husbands submit to their wives, in the Lord!

Charles: I will direct you first to Proverbs 31 and then the New Testament or New Covenant. Women do all the things you mention and more; which is why they live longer. If the husband will not be the priest of the household, the women have to do it. Family prayers,; same thing. Rather than sit on your scriptures, why not help the woman ? God pulled that rib out of Adams side: not above or below the ribcage. From his side nearer his heart. The Church is Jesus's Bride. How's your relationship with your Bridegroom? Y'a gotta think outside that little box of who does what.

Patricia, you being a professing christian and all, might want to consider this verse that God had Paul put in His Boo.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over a man, but to be in silience. 1 Tim 2:12

Women are not to teach, their duty is to their husband, to guide the household and to submit to her husband. She is not to teach, but to learn at home. It is a sin against God for any woman to teach

Yes, Peter focused on the Jews and Paul focused on the Gentiles, however, in most maybe all of Paul's journeys he first presented the gospel to the Jews before moving on to the Gentiles. This is exactly what Jesus said --

Sorry, but i don't think Paul had to "save" all the jews before he could be sent to the gentiles! In fact, the gospel accounts say that Peter was sent to the Jews, and Paul to the gentiles-GBU

I know this is all semantics, but a split occured early on in the Church as a result of the issue of baptism. Prior to Antioch, both Jew and Gentile who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ fellowshipped together. These Jews believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, but they were trying to lay the burden of circumcision upon the Gentiles for salvation. Paul had a very clear understanding of circumcision.

Acts 22:10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do. Paul now believed that Jesus of Nazareth is God. Paul got saved, that's why Jesus instructed him. Praise the Lord.

thumper: And did he ever! He testified who he was,how he persecuted the believers.( Hitler of that day). How he meant The Savior on the road to Damascus. Oh to meet The Savior for a life change! A Great multitude which no man could number,of all nations and kindreds and people and Tongues, stood before The Throne and before the Lamb: Revelation 7:9. Celebration with no---------------------- end

Paul was a dark skinned Jew from the tribe of Benjamin...
Acts 21:
38 Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

Years of teachin Sunday morning and afternoon and evening had me perplexed by seeming contradictions. At age 37 my spiritual eyes were opened when I put my life into God's Hands. The loudest verse was The Great Commission, Matthew 28 19 and 20. There is a comma after nations, teaching themvti observe all things whatsoever I have COMMANDED you." What were the all things. Then Paul's message became clear. And backed up by the fact the apostles had not left Jerusalem after 15 years because every Jew had to be saved BEFORE they could take the message to the nations. See Acts 28:24-29.

Paul had great zeal in persecuting the Christians but God turned it around and he became a zealot for the teaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Is 'nt God Awesome? He can do anything.

i think its powerful that is what we need to show our actions and words and soft answers and loving people to show who christ is its amazing we are free and can choose to walk with Him everyday for the rest of our lives. thank you God for delivering me from the snares of the enemy i am free to move and live for you love you Lord

paul was a murderer of gods people, but on his way to damascus jesus caused blindness to come upon him and spoke to him out of the light from heaven to stop persecuteing him only then did he paul accept jesus christ after his sight returned. why is it that something bad have to happen to you before you believe in god, god is real and just and faithful we should always give praises to him and continue to spread his word to everyone we meet. all of our blessings comes from the lord which made heaven and earth. praise the lord god always amen.

Paul was holding their coats while the were killing Stephen.It means he gave aid to them and was just as guilty as they were. Have a blessed day. Acts ch 22 verse.

Paul is driven to do his job as a Roman he followed the Law to the letter. To even stand-by and participate in the stoning of Stephen the Apostle. He did not know The Christ-he ask; "Who are you, Lord?" This is the same question, we ask today. So in his infinite Wisdom The Christ chose Paul-knowing he would do all he was asked to do in His Name. When you hear His Voice; DO as Saul has show us; be driven to share the message of The Christ with all the spiritually 'blind and lost' of our generation.

The lord jesus christ knew saul/paul would have done some terrible things to his saints so he converted him giving his life to do the works of christ.

These three chapters are all correct. The writings of the three chapters are not the same, but the contents of each chapter is synonymous in meaning. Each chapter talk about Paul on how he converted to become follower/preacher of the word of our Lord Jesus Christ. Before Paul was not converted, his task from the higher authorities in his times is to capture/destroy/punish the believers of our Lord Jesus Christ. So, in his way to Damascus the light was shone over him that cause his eyes not to see, and he heard a voice of the Lord Jesus Christ why you persecuted me. On that moment, Paul accepted the named Jesus Christ.