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Hi David , Ive heard about the importance of numbers in scripture and there definately does seem to be some patterns and significance to them , however , there are certain people who twist these symbolic meanings and use them for their own agenda , they are known as numerologists and their beliefs and practices are definately not Christian . I think we all need to be aware of their evil intentions and give them a wide berth . I know thats not what you were referring to for sure you are a Christian brother , others , not so strong in faith , may be influenced and side tracked by these wicked people . Much love to you in Christ .

Naseem gbu but you do greatly err... John 5 :23 ....Jesus said that all men should honor the SON even as they honor the Father he that honoreth not the SON honoreth not the Father that has sent him.

.....When he bringeth the 1 st begotton into the world God instructs all angels to worhip him...God himself wd be braking the 1st commandment if he instructed all the angels to worship his son if he were not God the son.... Hebrews 1 : 6

......But unto the SON he says Thy THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER.. Hebrews 1 : 8....A sceptre of righteousness is the Sceptre of THY KINGDOM...Unto the SON he says

.......Naseem but the way we know without a doubt that Jesus IS truly God is b/c of his seed the WORD....He says to whom the WORD CAME ( HIS SEED ) IT MADE THEM GODS and the scripture cannot be broken....Don'cha see that he is able to propagate, reproduce after the God kind... Matthew 13 :37 KJV ...Jesus said he that soweth the GOOD SEED is the Son of man.

.....And also John 17 : 5 ....Jesus prayed Father Glorify thou me with thine own self.....EVEN WITH THE GLORY I HAD WITH YOU B/F THE WORLD WAS....He was spirit b/f he was flesh....He only took on flesh and blood to die for the sins of the world humanity.....Thats y he said b/f Abraham was i am.....He always existed and was with God as the living WORD.... John 1

.....Naseem when he breathe on them he was propagating very God with his breath which was his words his seeds....Remember what God said everything has to multiply after its KIND...According to his seed...The Child that they birth was the H.G. THAT Child of PROMISE....Emanuel....His seed is the very seed of God....Spirits can be born in us by his seed ...Thats y he is saying to whom the word came it made them Gods....And that which is born of the spirit is spirit as God is spirit.

Maybe I could clarify a few things, Ronnette.

Judas Iscariot, with the other eleven, were never apostles while they travelled around with Jesus. They were called Disciples (i.e. a student, a follower of a Rabbi or teacher). They were only known as Apostles after Jesus died, arose from the grave, & He sent them out into the world. Apostle, means 'one sent out; a messenger'.

After Judas Iscariot died, Matthias was appointed as his replacement & this appointment was from God ( Acts 1:24-26, i.e. the eleven prayed asking God to direct them to this new disciple). So, men did not choose Matthias, God did by their casting of lots. And this had to be, as Peter declared, by referring to the fulfilment of Psalm 41:9; Psalm 69:25 and Psalm 109:8.

True, we don't hear of Matthias, but the lack of information doesn't mean that he just disappeared & went back to his occupation, or whatever else. We don't hear again of several of the other disciples either after Acts 1:13.

Paul was an apostle of Jesus Christ. As was Apostle Barnabas ( Acts 14:14), James (the Lord's half-brother; Galatians 1:19), possibly Timothy & Silas ( 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 1 Thessalonians 2:6, if Paul was using 'we' to refer to them as apostles as well). And Paul often had to emphasize his apostleship to the Churches, & even defend it, as believers were being seduced to believe otherwise (as much of 2nd Corinthians indicate).

So, from what we read in the Scriptures, Matthias was the twelfth disciple, being an apostle, & subsequently, Paul & others were either called by the Lord to apostleship, or considered as apostles because of their ministry of getting the Gospel out.

Thank You Lord Jesus, forever and ever, stay strong in His holy living word.

God bless u and your family becouse belIving Jesus, love u in Christ.

Luke 12:22-34

Dear God Father in Heaven. John needs your wisdom to get out without a home in a few days before he becomes homeless. Lord hear our prayer, let him meet someone who gives mercy, Lord! Someone who can take him in a house and give a roof over his head.

John Will always stand up for Your cause Lord, always testify and be followers of Jesus, thank You for the prayer answer as You reach out Your hand everything will be fine.

Luke 12:22-34 God bless u in Jesus name, love u in Christ.

Jesus had compassion and saw the sadness of all there.

Amen Father God please take us home. Please szve our children and their salvation.

Amen

Do the children to nephimim go to heaven?

Please pray for our trip to Israel to be all JEHOVAH loves it to be.The Passion Play going really well, awesomely and how GOD loves. Mothers 70th and all events prayer. Wellness, health and JEHOVAH form. Family and loved ones. Your children. PWM. Teaching. Our calling in life. All things prayer for. Thanks JEHOVAH love you all.

True. Guess that is why some ppl todays have trouble believing in Him because they can't see Him. I heard once, we can't see the wind but we know it is there! This is were Faith comes in and the Grace of God. Those of us that believe He is our Lord and Savior and have Him in your hearts yet have not seen.

We are continued to be reminded that our minds are corrupted with the flesh and of the world. We kill the just both mentally, physically and spiritually. Though the world seems to be in charge, the BIBLE tells us to

v8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

v9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

The LORD is at hand, HIS righteousness and perfect judgement will not be stopped or corrupted for the LORD is very pitiful, and of tender mercy v11. I believe that although we are asking for the LORD to come now as we go through our current national woes; our hearts will grieve when we stand as witnesses of the lost coming to stand before the LORD at the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT and we see the final sentence being carried out. We have the remedy for all the maladies before us. Though we cannot make the lost, and hardened heart to accept the salvation of CHRIST, we have a job as ambassadors of the kingdom to do carry out the commandment we were all given to do. Matthew 28: 18-20.

The devil has blinded the eyes of many ( 2 Corinthians 4: 3-6). Let us therefore go forward and pull out as many as we can out of the fire Jude 20-25.

GOD bless the saints that we be strong in the LORD and in the power of HIS might.

July 16, 2022 Pray of our nation's leaders and for the peace of Jerusalem.

Another Scripture is found in Titus 3:4-6, "But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour."

In fact, these verses tell us that no 'works of righteousness', not even one, will entitle us or enable us towards God's Salvation - salvation is all of God's Mercy shown towards us, where regeneration & renewal is the outcome through Christ's Blood & Work of His Holy Spirit. If even one effort on our part is made to secure, or make doubly sure, of our salvation, then salvation is by our efforts which most religions pursue, but never realized. Then salvation comes through man & God's Grace can never work for them.

Hello Wayne,

I just want to warn you to stay away from writings from Bullinger and other ultra-dispensationalists as they teach boat loads of error that contradict and do not align with Scripture although they claim to be the ones who truly rightly divide Scripture. Beware of such cultic groups.

This makes sense too. Thank you!

Makes sense. Thank you.

That makes a lot of sense too. All good answers. Thank you all, funny things is the first thought that came to my head was...cuz He is a real man.! :)

Tracy,

The resurrected Jesus Christ taught Paul the Gospel which is Jesus Christ, our Salvation. This is the same gospel Jesus taught the other apostles and which was preached by them years before Paul was converted. The Scripture now where says that Jesus taught "the dispensation of grace" to anyone.

The Bible does not say anywhere that we are in the "dispensation of Grace". That is an invented phrase from the likes of James Nelson Darby, who began this dispensational teaching in the 1830's. Since the scriptures do not teach this, I consider it false teaching.

Is there a difference between "made" and "create" in the Bible; specifically pertaining to God? I've long been accustomed to thinking God creates with His mind, but the word "made" is used quite often

Susan, You ask why I don't think we can have a meaningful conversation on Scriptural matters and I stated if we do not agree that the Scriptures are accurate and without error.

If we cannot agree on an objective source of truth, then everything discussed would be considered subjective. There is no "plumb line" to test what each others says. I do not think that "everyone has their own truth".

I believe that, when it comes to spiritual matters, the Bible is the source of absolute truth and is reliably accurate and the measure for which all spiritual viewpoints are held up to. It doesn't seem that you believe this, so unless we can agree on what we accept as the fundamental and objective measure of truth, then I think it is unfruitful to engage in Scriptural conversations with another person.

Perhaps there are some others on this forum who would want to engage with you, but I have a check in my Spirit on this matter and so will go with the lead of the Holy Spirit. I wish you well. I encourage you to seek the Lord Jesus Christ with all your heart and take hold of Him by faith.

Hello Chris:

There is no death in Jesus Christ. The believers have given eternal life. Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus Christ. He is no longer an Apostle. Apostle Paul is chosen by Jesus Christ. Mathias was chosen by men. Why do you think it is written every 1st verse in Paul's epistles that he is the Apostle of Jesus Christ? Mathias disappeared after the 11 apostles casted lots. No where in the Bible account of his whereabouts or any epistle written by Mathias. Make no mistake Jesus knows His Apostles. Revelation 21:14

And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. Thank you.

Hi Susan,

Just noticed your reply. The Bible is correct. It never said the hearsay of "2 or more" as you believe. People's memories are subject to error and often people memorize hearsay which is wrong to begin with. Just because something was repeated many times during someone's upbringing doesn't mean it's correct. There are other examples of this where people have misremembered verses in the Bible. Example is people saying "Money is root of all evil" instead of "Love of money..." People may hear it in songs or movies, but doesn't mean its correct. What's interesting is people are more trusting of their own flawed teachings than the Bible itself. People are so quick to discredit God's Word and that's hard to see.

There is proof that the Bible has never changed- all someone has to do to prove the KJV hasn't changed is compare the text today to what it was 400+ years ago at its first printing. That is actually on this website and I checked and that verse hasn't changed. It's always said 2 or 3 and never 2 or more. It also shows many other translations which say the same thing. God's truth never changes; people's flawed memories and flawed hearsay does. But one aspect I do agree with is that this is a living Word, that God can reveal new things to us each time we read it through. His Word hasn't changed though and any time someone tries to attack its reputation or claim it has errors I will fight to defend God's word. God bless.

I am always moved by the account Lazarus's death. The compassion of Jesus and yet how slow to believe us as humans can be. Notice that Thomas witnessed Lazarus's coming back to life, but when he was told that Jesus had a rose he wouldn't believe until he saw it. Another lesson on how Mary and Martha approached Jesus both said "Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died," but Mary came and fell down at his feet.

Hi Ronnette. What GiGi has shared is accurate. If, after Judas Iscariot suicided, another disciple also died or abandoned (the faith), then you would be correct that only ten would be remaining and Matthias would have become the eleventh & Paul the twelfth. But we're only told of Judas' absence (the other eleven still together), hence the vacancy to fill Judas' place. And the qualification for the new encumbent was that the person had to accompany the other disciples & be a witness to Jesus' resurrection ( Acts 1:21,22). Two were found worthy, but the lot fell on Matthias. Therefore, Matthias became Judas' replacement: the twelfth disciple.

Hello David:

Praise and glory to God. 1 Corinthians 4:1 Let a man do account of us, as of the ministers of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God.

2 Timothy 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Let us grow in Charity and grace in One BODY OF CHRIST. Agape.

The 12 were told not to enter the land of the gentiles. jesus was ot sent but to the lost sheep of the house of israel. jesus..after he resurrected taught paul by spirit the dispensation of grace.

1corinthians 15 1-4kjb simply believe . Grace plus nothing. Romans through philemon are for us. God chose paul acts 9:15.

Can I respectfully ask why? I hope you are able to hear the sincerity in my reply. That is the reason that it's so important.

An example would be the current narrative surrounding the pandemic. There are many insightful physicians and scientists with differing perspectives. But those with perspectives that don't fit within the popular and allowed narrative, regardless of their peer reviewed research, are censored and worse. If we cannot have discourse about religion because the "other" disagrees with our views, we cannot grow.

Ronnette I absolutely agree with your reading of scripture, Jesus Christ came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel as stated in the gospels and the church epistles. The apostle paul was specifically called out to the gentiles because the judeans were still

working in the law although they were operating GODS GIFT OF GRACE. The APOSTLE PAUL WAS SPECIFICALLY GIVEN THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE ONE BODY IN CHRIST Ephesians 3:1-9 also Colossians 1;25-29. Thats why Romans through thessalonians

is the complete knowledge of the operation of the church in the grace administration or age.

Hello wayne When it comes to Gods word as originally given is perfect therefore even numbers have meaning. The number five

biblically means or represents grace i.e. five gift ministires in the church, pentecost started the fifth administration in the scripture.

I encourage you to view E.W.Bullingers number in scripture, very inspiring.