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Your first paragraph, you said the evidence is the Word of God, but the Word of God says God's name is Jehovah and it sounds like you don't like that translation of that verse. The original Hebrew says it too. You said His name isn't there, but it is there. I noticed you used a different English translation- you wrote: "for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation." This is why I mentioned Strongs that identifies that specific original Hebrew word. Even anti-God, anti-Christian sites like wikipedia agree YHWH is the "the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible".
The second paragraph you wrote is quite a scary sounding belief and I would be very careful what words you use about God especially on a public forum that may affect others. Some might perceive this attacking God as a heresy or blasphemy of the holy spirit. That sure would be scary to call God a bad name and spread anti-God information and put your eternity at risk because of some false assumptions.
Thanks for the interaction, but it seems there's nothing more to discuss on this topic. That's an outrageous claim against God with no evidence to support it. Trying to discredit the KJV on a KJV site is bold and I wonder if there a reason you read the KJV if you don't believe it?
Pardon me for not remembering your beliefs, but do you consider yourself a Christ follower or affiliate yourself with a certain denomination?
Adam
I repeated the original evidence because there is not greater EVIDENCE than the everlasting Word of GOD, is there? The Word is GOD, the invisible, the Omnipotent, and Omniscient and Omnipresent GOD, for me it is He Who is "the Strong's identifier". The Word is self-executing / executable because the Word is GOD, understand? Psalm 33:9 - He -the Word- spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.
Yes,I stated that the added name Jehovah(a demonic name of Satan)is not in the original Scriptures as being GOD,Father of my Lord JESUS, but as Lucifer,the son of perdition,father of the Jews as said my Lord JESUS- John 8:44-,transfigured as God- Isaiah 14 combined with 2Thes.2:2-3 among other biblical references, and no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Corinthians 11:14. Be careful, for Satan is wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that can be hidden from him, understand? How can the believers fight against the devilish traps and strategies of the Devil if are not knowing so well the depths of Satan?
You said that If I think there's holes,how am I believe and trust the rest of it and where I draw the line,so I must say that the
limit of the line is in Genesis 2:16-17 and 3:1 combined with Matthew 16:23.Take a look.By the way,his throat is an open sepulchre
You said that I'm using a different translation, and asked so how I know its more accurate and not less accurate.Well,well, I used and am using the same source you used to quote Isaiah 12:1-2,right? Tell me:What Scripture is more accurate?The original Hebrew Scriptures,or the copies of the Hebrew Scriptures that were transcribed in a lot and different translations?
Furthermore, answer your question if I have any more evidence, so let me ask: Is there evidence more truer than the true Word of GOD? The evidence is the Word of GOD. The testimony of GOD is greater.
As you know,the Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting,the Word is GOD
Well, when it comes to God nothing is rare, nothing is incurable. We stand together and with great expectation according to God's word we claim healing. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ.
Sis, take care of yourself, keep me updated and I am praying for you. God bless you. Thank you for praying for me.
Thanks for the reply but it seems you just repeated your original claim without any evidence for it.
You said JEHOVAH isn't there, but you're just using a different translation, so how do you know its more accurate and not less accurate?
Do you have any more evidence?
Here are some corrections. in the first para:first line
please read as "God is a Spirit while Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God." the last two lines, "The ground was cursed by sin so all the evil of our earthly existence owes to it. Without God, they are under judgment."
Third para: "Moses would want to avoid taking up the onerous task of leading a nation of stiff-necked people and use the excuse of having impediment in speech."
"Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."
God is a Spirit while Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible body. This is made distinct by two worlds framed by the word of God by which DNA of a believer is determined by faith.(He.11:3) The first man is earthy and Adam is fashioned from dust of the ground. The Lord from heaven is the Son whose glorious body is manifested by the power of God the Father. Proof of it was that death could not hold him back. Adam represents the earthy more so by his sin of obedience provides a body under curse. The ground was cursed by sin so all the evil of our earthly existence owe to it. Without God stopping it it is under judgment.
St Paul speaks of those who are under no condemnation because the Law of the Spirit has set them free. On one hand we have MTP, malformed babies, LGBTQ which are all part of the collateral damage of the fall of man.
Moses would want to take up the onerous task of leading a nation of stiff-necked peopl and use the excuse of having impediment in speech. Oh no He who made mouth of a man was there to prove it had nothing to do with His holiness. Holy is His name. His Son saw to that the glorious body of Moses overcame all physical challenges.
In short in the world of the Spirit we are surrounded by the glorious spiritual body of the Son,"according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."Evangelicalst who cause division for pro-Life and anti-Abortion laws say they have faith in Jesus Christ but deny the power thereof. They serve Satan in causing divisions.. "Beware of dogs" St Paul calls them. They traduce the disenfranchised people of color and other ethnicities as slackers and free loaders. It is thus we have children of light and children of wrath. ( 1 John 3:8)
Dear Heavenly Father, take Mike in Your arms and help him be positive as to this situation following the seizure. Bring healing to his body, especially his brain that caused the seizure to occur. Give Mike confidence, peace, and the faith to go forward after this event. May You surround him with Your powerful healing and restoration in HIs body and soul that He may praise You and lay His life before You with trust and hope in You always. We ask this of You Father, in the name of Jesus, Amen.
Adam
As you know, the Bible is about two Covenants- The OT and NT.
What we are commenting is about the OT, not about the NT, for there is not that NAME or nickname in the NT. Remember: You quoted Isaiah 12:1-2.
Isaiah 16:-1-2 in the OT -Nevin'im(Prophets) Yeshayahu(Isaiah) is written as follow:
1 And you shall say on that day, I will thank You, O Lord, for You were wroth with me, may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2 Here is the God of my salvation, I shall trust and not fear; for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation.
In fact that name was added in the translations inadvertently, but the name you have mentioned it is not the only fictitious name or nickname added in the OT (not added in the Bible as a whole-OT&NT), there are several others: I have listed YHWH, Yahweh, Yehovah,Elohim, Adonai, HaShem, Yahusha, YEHshia, Jehovah, YEHvah, these names are not NAMES of GOD, quite the opposite, all these names listed are strictly the names of the father of the Jews- John 8:44 combined with Revelation 12:3-4.
JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said: John 17:6 - I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: ... -->What's NAME?)
Go and sit at His feet and ask Him to show you. I pray right now in the name of Jesus that the Lord would ignite some hope within you. That you would sit at His feet and let His love wash over you. Let the blood of Jesus wash away all YOUR sin, and renew your mind!
Wait, I say, upon the Lord. Sit at His feet and ask to drink from the cup in His hand. His will for you. He will show you. You might have to press in to Him. It might take some doing on your part. When you seek Him with all your heart you will find Him. Go into the Word and get a passage that encourages you and ride it like a surf board into the presence of the Lord God Almighty. Let the Word renew your mind.
You're not the only one who has felt like they were drowning in the deep waters of despair. So I lift you up in prayer this morning asking the Lord to touch you. In Jesus name!
With love, your sister in Christ.
You CAN make it and you CAN overcome.
"Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?"
Baptism for the dead, there is nothing to be afraid of and dying daily is not a sacrament but comes under the department of works. What is baptism but an act of faith? Faith without works is dead. So what shall we make of the doctrine of man which Evangelical refers to their activism? On one hand they repudiate 'works' the labor of love done in Christ but with both hand embrace Christian nationalism, Pro-life movement and 'prosperity'? "For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name," (He.6:10-15) so works done toward his name must be done with "the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end." This inheritance of promises is unlocked by his name than 'active' faith preached by imposter religion to loosen the tight fist of God. It is thus Satan has deceived them and their prosperity theology is a classic example.
If you died to the world of sin and the world you are as St Paul says,"I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily." (1 Co.15:30-31). The Nicene creed says, "I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins." For those children of disobedience who fight for faith but in works do the devil's business, stoke cultural wars and help as one famous preacher in the late 60s helped the US President's Southern agenda by publicly stating that all rapists should be castrated merely shows the malaise of the mainstream Christianity feeding upon the Pagan Rome for its growth. Where death worked for saints in the time of St Paul we have now a pastor, here is the quote, "We know that Scripture does not teach that baptism regenerates a person. We are saved by grace alone through faith alone ( Eph. 2:8-9). Nor does Scripture indicate that water baptism is required for a person to be saved." Faith+works
"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."(Matt.3:9)This reference though indirect tells us of the spirit of foreknowledge that laces human speech, a manifestation of the grace of God. John the Baptist knew it well what holiness of God entailed. Moses pleaded because of his slowness in speech but what did God tell him? Aaron was his older sibling yet "And thou shalt be to him instead of God." God made him as he was and in his Son he shall be to Aaron an angel, in place of God. It is thus God gave the revelation of Jesus Christ which was revealed to John by his angel. (Re.1:1;Ex.4:18) This cloud of witnesses are names, and spirits of believers called in his Son. How we live in our earthly tabernacles as St Paul exhorts us has direct bearing."Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord."(2 Co.5:6) Holiness of God is in terms of the body so spitting of Christian pilgrims on the streets by ultra-Orthodox Jews is part of Apartheid that goes on even now.Children of Belial shall never understand then as now. Jeering at baldness of Elisha broughtpunishment on the 42 and now what happens to the lawless Jews is a token of God's wrath. How shall man play with moral imperatives keeping of which is one manner of giving glory to God. St Paul here refers of his spiritual body which is present before the Lord.
1 Co.15 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." Here we see the resurrection rendered representational in Christ. When we are dead to sin should we not live in heavenly places than seeking praise of man? Our lives are as many branches to the true Vine.
Whether in body or in spirit Jesus showed obedience as the key verse tells us "that God may be all in all."
"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
In De.6:4-6 we have Moses addressing the nation of Israel in particular. Failure of Israel was that their hearts were not right before God. "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:/And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might./And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart"
When God fed them with the angel's food they lusted after meat. When God presented the bread from heaven they would not receive him. It was thus their heart remained like reprobate silver only fit for slag heap.
St Paul in the key verse speaks of the unity of the Spirit, ""That God may be all in all." God is a Spirit and Will of God sets His holiness in its several modes so in his Son the same Fullness circulates to draw analogy from water cycle how water is exchanged (cycled) through Earth's land, ocean, and atmosphere but water always exists in all three phases., and this unity of God shall be maintained. When Jesus Christ was manifested it was for this purpose. "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."( 1John 3:8)
In His Son we we were blessed and by the same token when God prepared a body for his Son we all were foreseen in this spiritual body, a building of God eternal in heavens. So St Paul kept this and walked in faith. (2 Co.5:1). This is called the cloud of witnesses. John the Baptist alluded to it . "And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."(Matt.3:9). This reference though indirect tells us of the spirit of foreknowledge that laces human speech,
So, in one sense, it becomes a personal matter until the Spirit sheds His Light to bring us understanding. And as I mentioned earlier, we may, even with our differences on this subject, might still be closer in agreement than we realize. After all, you do believe, I trust, that it was God Who placed His Holy Seed in Mary, so immediately we know that this was no ordinary human birth. The matter then surrounds whether this Seed was first in another Form within God's Person Who was also involved in creation & very likely in other Works of God, or not. As you wrote, we will know all these things "at the end of the road". Blessings to you & yours, in Christ Jesus and thanks again for a good lively discussion.
I thank you for even discussing this and whether you consider me a brother I consider you one. All I have replied to you is the truth from my understanding of Scripture. In your reply, I feel I have offended you and that was not my goal. Like I said from the beginning is to convey my understanding of the Scripture. Your understanding is for your conscience. If you choose one road and I choose another we will find the answer at the end of the road. But if we are not willing to empty our minds as we know nothing, in prayer study, we choose tradition over truth.
Love you brother.
God bless,
RLW
Then to your question, "If Jesus was a co-equal God in the three-person God, how could He be given anything He would already have it?" If we don't believe that Jesus came out from God's Person, then your question is valid. But if He did, then to become Man, taking on 'sinful flesh', He would have had to lay aside God's Glory & other Divine Attributes ( Philippians 2:5-8), so that He could be fully Man, to identify completely with those He would save & be their sin-bearer - for God in His Being cannot suffer & die as appointed unto men.
Thus when we read 1 John 4:2,3; we know that John is not speaking of an historical Jesus, for all knew of (or heard of) this One named Jesus of Nazareth Who lived & walked on Earth doing great things. But those who denied that this Christ from God had been brought down to Earth to be made flesh, were deemed by the apostle as not speaking by God's Spirit (& this is that Docetic heresy that was pervading the Church: that Divinity & Flesh cannot unite, so the incarnation is incredible). So dear brother, I can see your interpretation of such verses & was exercised by them to understand them the way you do, but for me to read them in that manner would cause me to violate my comprehension abilities & sensibilities.
Therefore, I think it best we leave off here, as much as I would like to continue, for I see no useful progress to be made when we read the Word so differently. Thank you again for your time & persisting in this - I do appreciate this very much. Every blessing.
Again, thank you for your comments Ronald, & I can see that this discussion will need to end. But before that & to respond to some of your comments here, Colossians 1:15-17 shows that Jesus (in His pre-Incarnate Form) was involved in creation, & not simply a Thought or Word in God's Mind. 'For by Him were all things createdall things created by Him & for Him He is before all things & by Him all things consist'. For Paul to make a declaration as this & then we should force a meaning that Jesus was not the Creator & Sustainer within the Godhead, would exceed the limits of my comprehension. I'm sorry. As well, the use of 'Him, He' (Gk. auto), tells us that we are reading of a Person (albeit within the Person of God), Who is creating & not simply a Thought in God's Mind.
And I selected John 17:5 as a very apt verse to show how clearly Jesus Himself considered the Glory He once had with God, Who is now His Father through the incarnation; that Glory He laid aside for the sake of becoming human & thus for the "suffering of death" (for God indeed cannot die). I planned to also bring in the other Scriptures that I had given a few days earlier, for your interpretation & understanding, but used this one as a 'case-in-point' to learn of your thoughts. To Page 2.
"I must say that NAME does not exist in the original Hebrew Scripture, it was simply added."
That's quite a claim. Do you realize you're basically accusing not just the KJV but the Bible in general for being wrong, is that what you're saying? Are these 4 verses with Jehovah the only scriptures you feel this way about or other parts of the Bible too? If you think there's holes, how do you believe and trust the rest of it and where do you draw the line?
What is your evidence that a name "does not exist in the original Hebrew" and was "simply added"?
Do you believe the Strong's identifier for this word?
What part of it do you think is wrong and what do you think it should be and what is the evidence for your opinion being right and dozens of expert translators being wrong?
This Psalm is such a good example of how David was a man after God's own heart, yet found sin in his heart that he knew was truly against God and sought Him for forgiveness and cleansing. I would hope to be as David and as Him often to examine me and show me any sinful way in me. David hated that he had done or said or thought things that have offended the God he loved so much. I would hope to also hate my sins and confess them to God seeking forgiveness as soon as I realize I have done so.
I hope to be sensitive to the "pricking" of the Holy Spirit" when He shows me a Scripture that speaks to my failure to do what is righteous before God and man. This is what God wants us to do-come to Him with all our sin and failures to honor Him as God and judge, whenever we fail to praise and thank Him as we ought-and confess to Him our sins. He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us as 1 John 1 says.
Thanks for the reminder.