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Happy to pray for your children. My three sons are away from the Lord and need to be "prayed back to the Father" in the sense of being prodigals and as believing parents we are called to persist in pray to God until He answers our sincere prayers for those we love to return to Him by the drawing of the Holy Spirit. It is hard at times since I think of all the valuable family time in believing fellowship that has been lost while they are out "prodigaling" but even more so that they are not in fellowship with God. But I trust that God hears all my prayers and He has tarried in this request for a reason. But I want to be faithful in prayer and hopeful concerning the promises we have in Christ concerning our prayers being answered according to the will of the Father.
As of the last week or so in particular I have noticed a plethora of deconstructionist type videos appearing on You Tube. I am not sure if something I looked at recently triggered this; or it is something which at this time is gaining traction (which I would assume in general it is).
I have seen a number of interesting topics on this site recently; but as with the first thing I mentioned I have concerns about endless intellectual arguments that lead us nowhere. That can be true to some extent even with scripture; although I am glad to see so much of it coming up of late with such topics as the Trinity in particular there also needs to be the realization that we never will understand everything about the scriptures and mysteries of God and second there has to be some sort of agreement and there should be unity on the basic concepts of scripture as believers. Without this concept then anyone can throw us off; because even with true faith more questions inevitably arise whenever one is answered. This seems like blind faith to some degree; but I would characterize it as a trusting faith in a God that gives us enough guidelines to remain on the straight and narrow to make it to the Promised Land. We can't always put our understanding as the standard of whether we accept or reject something. We trust that the scripture is sufficient for all doctrine; teaching; etc ( 2 Timothy 3:16 I believe).
Some things for the future are clear enough; certainly there is no end for instance to the Father; Son or Spirit even if we have some issue with eternity past; but in the same token if we start to doubt one thing likely the enemy will cause us to doubt other things. One could look at Predestination in light of this concept as well; whether we believe in free will or not in the end we should agree that God is fair and the number saved and lost will be set in stone in the future even if we don't believe it was in the past.
Just observing
Thank you again, from my heart, the truth is my search not to offend. It all goes back to one verse when I read it, it stood out in my heart, Corinthians 11:4. I know I am alone here on this, but saying Jesus is part of the Triune God, who eternally exists and expresses himself as three distinct persons with one essence all three co-equal. One God in three persons-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This to me denies the Son, 1 John 2:23
What I see in the Bible is the relationship between the Father and the Son, the Son is obedient to the Father. Jesus said His Father is greater than Him, John 14:28. Jesus has said the Father is His God, John 20:17 Revelation 3:12.
The Bible defines God's nature as eternal and unchanging; there is only one throne of God and through the Bible, only the Father is on the throne until the Father raised His Son from the dead and placed Him on His right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, there is nothing about the Holy Spirit.
As we see in Revelation Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple and the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof, Rev. 21:22-23 no Holy Spirit. The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit, not another person.
Jesus confirmed there is only one true God, Mark 12:28-34, in Jesus's prayer to His Father said in John 17:3. All the greetings in the New Testament are from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:3 Ephesians 6:23 1 Thessalonians 1:1 2 Timothy 1:2 Titus 1:4 2 John 1:3 and more but no Holy Spirit.
If the Trinity true and is so important, why is it not once taught in Scripture? God cannot change and God cannot die, so how do we understand John 3:16 if God the Father did not send his actual begotten Son to die for our sins? We see Jesus also had His own will, Luke 22:42.
God bless,
RLW
'In the beginning' is provided by the third office in Trinity. In organizing the narrative it is Spirit who makes it according to scriptures. The Ethiopian eunuch would not have had help in understanding the passage from Isaiah but the Spirit set up the encounter between Evangelist Philip and the Ethiopian official. Jesus settle in Capernaum and the passage reads,"That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,/ The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;/The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up./From that time Jesus began to preach."(Matt.4:14-17)
The Spirit works on a need-to-know basis. So Jesus leaves behind his anonymity to begin his earthly ministry as though on cue.
'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The Word is both sound and a sign. Jesus was in humanity a sign. "And there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:/For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."(Matt.12:39-40)
When God commanded "Let there be light" there was light. We have God a Spirit explained in terms of the Word. The Word was God the Father. The Word became flesh, the Son. The Third office of the Spirit is in the department of Unity of the Spirit and sets tags on the basis of the earthly ministry giving us how to interpret the realities of heaven of the earth.
Heavenly Father, we come to you again today in Jesus' name and ask that You will bring to Tamar safety in her comings and goings as well as in her dwelling, provide for Tamar a job that is the best fit for her, protect her in all situations in her life, and cause her body to be healthy and strong against illness and anything that may bring harm to her body. We know that You hear our prayers because of our Lord Jesus, Your Son is our mediator. we thank you for the wondrous way You have saved us and the riches beyond measure You bring to those who are Yours and are called by name to be Your children. May You bless Tamar ever so much today and moving forward, bless her comings and her goings, her resting and her working, the interactions she has with others, and mostly in her relationship with You and Your Son, Jesus. fFill her up with your Holy Spirit to receive comfort, guidance, peace, and wisdom. Amen.
Good question. We are face to a deep and terrible puzzle/enigma. The most important is the Truth. GOD is Truth. The Word is GOD. The Word is from everlasting to everlasting. The GOD's people needs to investigate and seek Truth.
Replying to your question, I must say that NAME does not exist in the original Hebrew Scripture, it was simply added.
Remember, JESUS said: Re.22:18 -> I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, GOD shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
What matters and prevails is the pure Word of GOD. Isaiah 12:3KJV says: Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation. (Jo.7:38-> He that believes on me, as the Scripture has said,out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Compare with John 5:37-47)
4 And in that Day (in this current Day, the seventh and last Day) shall ye say, Praise the Lord, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.(This will LITERALLY be fulfilled: Revelation 7:1-8. 144K)
5 Sing unto the Lord; for he hath done excellent things: this is known in all the earth. -> ( Revelation 11:15-18, among other biblical references.Take a look)
6 Cry out and shout, you inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee. -> (Re.1:7-8-> 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, sais the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. ->7 Behold,He comes with clouds;and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
GOD BLESS
The principles of Wisdom and Power have a bearing on the Son, "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power,"(He.1:3) The word of his power is assigned to the same one who is the judge. God does not judge since it left for the Son as he is his fulfilling aspect. The Order of his kingdom is not maintained solely by power but by wisdom in equal measures. So when we speak of Law it is consistent. The eternal Word is the Law. God breathed into the nostrils of Adam and made him a living soul. It is the seed which is in itself. This seed and the one who plants it are same. Adam is the son of God because of this seed. This explains the classic conundrum: which came first: the chicken or egg? God had seen both as one. It was thus when God says,"Let us make man in our image" the word was in the power as well. Glory of God is in its expression. Jesus Christ as the visible image of the invisible God is 'the brightness of his glory'
It is to which we read "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light./And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."(Ge.1:3-4) God is the Father of lights and Jesus Christ as the true Light referring to the brightness. This light has nothing to do with celestial objects but it refers to the Law and those who have the seed of the word in themselves so they obey the word of God. Children of light and children of disobedience are determined by the Word.
Abiding in Christ means one's works are done as though Christ in his did. On the other hand Adam's sin was in disregarding 'the seed in itself'.
Satan is the Father of confusion. Organized churches took root from Pagan Rome, that tells.
God is one. This Order relates to two principles of Wisdom and Power, which are the basis for all action including creation. Wisdom is feminine principle. So when God says, Let us make man in our image' it was implied. Male and female created he them. this image/likeness was in two senses:Eve was represented in Adam. This explains Ro.5 where Adam and Jesus are representative of two groups. Ro.5:12,17
2) Christ and the Bride. Adams' knowledge of 'Flesh of my flesh bone of my bones' owe to the breath of God. bone refers to the word, doctrine spiritual flesh 'formed of dust' earthy.
God is a Spirit and Jesus Christ is the visible image of God. Adam is the son of God.( Luke 3:78) In Adam consequently Jesus is represented. To which we have the terms first Adam and 'last Adam' (1 Co.15:45)
Now the divine Will which owing to his Holiness, requires no correction and it is in the NOW. So symbol of the Lamb slain (Re.13:8) is simultaneous as the Lamb of God ( John 1:29). The same can be said of the Throne of God and of the Lamb.(Re.22:1) Jesus Christ as the visible image is same, yesterday, today and forever..He 13:8. For this reason God rested on the seventh 'day' which is not day as we know the term. God's Will as established as the Wisdom of Jesus who of God shall fulfill them.
Your quote, "but I note that Jesus was more than a thought & a plan, but a part of God's Being (as God's Spirit is) which God sent out to accomplish that Plan." Amen
I've selected these following extracts, to help understand, if you will, the sequence of events emanating from Heaven. You wrote: "My understanding is the pre-existence of Jesus was in God's plan before anything was created"; "In Jesus and through Jesus being the first in God's plan came everything"; and "He is the beginning and the end, and it started with Jesus His Son before any creation and in and through Jesus came all and in the fulness of time He was brought forth into the world".
Given what you've declared, can I assume the following: Jesus was already in God's Mind & Plan (i.e. no physical Jesus yet) before anything was created; but through Jesus, Who was still in God's Mind/Plan, everything was created; even though Jesus (Who could only be in God's Mind at the time) preceded creation, through Jesus all was created & then Jesus was brought forth into the world. I've written this as I've understood your wording; let me know if I've misunderstood you.
If my understanding is correct, my question is, 'can Jesus, being in God's Mind only, be the One Whom God uses to create all things?' So what I see here, is that the origin & need of Jesus was a Plan in God's Mind, but I note that Jesus was more than a thought & a plan, but a part of God's Being (as God's Spirit is) which God sent out to accomplish that Plan. We have no conflict about the Spirit, should we be in dispute about the Word being sent out in flesh? Even Jesus claimed to share in God's Glory before creation ( John 17:5).
And one more point on this: why do you think that God would use a thought (of Jesus) in His Mind to begin the work of creation? I can see where this would be a salvation matter, but of creating (?) - wouldn't God still be able to create without Jesus being a thought in His Mind? We may be closer than we think: is Jesus a result of a Thought or a Word? It is possible that at this point is where our hurdle lies. GBU.
Trust in the word, " Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ."(Ph.1:6)
I don't believe anyone see the Trinity in 1 John 1:1 by itself but I do believe it's seen in 1 John 1:1-7 and John 1:10 without having to add or take away from Scripture.
And, 1 John 1:1 "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life" was dealt with between you and others.
However the first part of that verse "That which was from the beginning". Is easily seen that this portion of scripture takes a person (Jesus) and associates him with a beginning as mentioned in John 1:1-2 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD.
Jn 1:10. He was in the world, AND THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM, and the world knew him not.
it's clear Jesus existed before his earthly ministry.
Are you going into your studies without a predetermined position?
Ronald with all due respect your passion and study in this seems to be to exterminate the view rather search to see if it is any truth to it.
I believe in what John 1:1 says that line up with scriptures from Genesis 1:1 on through Revelation.
Thanks Brother and I pray that God bless you in your journey as you continue in your studies.
I respect your posts and think I have agreed with most I've noticed in the past, but your two paragraphs starting with "By the way" has me puzzled.
Can you please share how you arrived at that belief and how you interpret verses mentioning that name in verses like Isaiah 12:2?
I also will ask God that if you have a situation of isolation that you and your wife can find a good network of believers to hang out with. She will either find a good or bad group of people to interact with if it is anything like what I went through.
I also will ask the Lord to guard both of your hearts against temptation from those who would tempt us toward having an affair.
It is highly likely that these tests will come if they haven't already.
I know there are other things such as finances; children; etc. that can be stressors. If there is anything else specific brother give me a response and I will also pray on that as well.
Agape; Rich P (and thanks for listening to my response; I am hoping to see other marriages saved before they get to where mine ended up).
In my case; I was married in an elopement type scenario but was also baptized as I had never received that before then and also was under solid leadership in a Reformed church. Unfortunately I stopped attending church for quite a while as my wife was far less committed to Christ and I didn't do well as a leader in the home. I have no doubt the Lord brought us together even though as of now she married another man who she was messing with at the time of my separation and eventual divorce. I state these things to say that we shouldn't always try to figure out what we did wrong to get into a situation that develops years later.
I can only surmise that you may have a similiar difficulty as I did getting your spouse to pray with you. Getting a regular time yourself should be a priority and she should understand that. Reading the Word I would also guess may be a struggle.
In general women that are bossy don't want to listen to you no matter how right you may be. The Spirit has to work on your wife; and in some capacity you have to wait upon the Lord to do that.
A simple point may do here. That point is; that God Himself created time along with gravity and all the other forces of nature in the universe that we still have today. He created light and all sources of light as well as the sun; moon and stars so that the measure of time could begin at its speed (186000 miles/second) along with mass and energy to verify Einstein's theory of E=MC2.
The movement of the heavenly bodies then designated times and seasons (in years and divisions of such into days; weeks and months). The fact that death entered into the world before sin shows that before that and of course after it is finally removed from the world man and all of nature will live eternally; which of course is in tandem with an eternal God.
Before my original post got wiped out; I was going to say that the Godhead is much like Adam before Eve was taken out of him; complete in unity. It's not a perfect example; as Eve didn't exist as a separate entity before she was taken out of Adam's rib; but does demonstrate through Christ and God's relationship something akin to the human marriage relationship with the wife being submissive to the husband. John 14:23 shows how the Father and Son make their abode within a believer; who also of course has the indwelling Holy Spirit as many other verses indicate sealing us until the day of Redemption ( Eph. 4:30).
In this posting I will also end for now my exploration of the "emotions" of God once again reminding everyone that everything God has in perfect righteousness in terms of His reactions is reflected in some degree with man created in His image. Perhaps the next series should be discussing the actions of God. In light of the earlier mention of the situation between Moses and God where a dialogue seemed to stop God's intention of destroying everyone we can learn ourselves to never let emotions dictate action without careful counsel with the Lord on the right action.