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Please pray for me, I'm starting a new job, and I need prayer for healing for my knee, and for all the energy and focus and strength I need to do this job. I need prayer for favor in my workplace too. Thank you.

Thank you, Richard. Your postings here remind us to be vigilant so as not to be led astray by false teachers and doctrines that are so prevalent in the church today. I was just thinking on this a night or so ago as I was trying to get to sleep (which is when I often turn things over in my mind because of lack of distractions). I was thinking about how in my own lifetime so many false ideas have entered the body of Christ and taken root, grown, and become common belief in many branches of the body of Christ.

I can reflect back on how many of these false ideas are of more recent "revelation" and there are so many people so eager to latch on to something "new" not realizing that the Scriptures are completed and no new revelations will be given to the world. The past few hundred years have incubated and birthed many heresies and false teachers from within the church family. And some of the heresies are age old ones repackaged. These are doctrines that the church has consistently refuted as erroneous, but keep cropping up to lead people astray.

It makes me sad to see this happen. I have decades-old believing friends who seem to jump on the bandwagon of every new trend in the churches. I try to warn them and pray for them often. Whenever I hear or read something that is patently false from someone who claims to be a believer I give them the benefit of the doubt that they are just deceived but not necessarily deceivers and I pray for them. If I get the opportunity I try to speak out what I know to be true. But we all should be watchful of what we accept as truth and speak because any of us can fall into error so easily even if we are true believers. We need to be humble when people try to challenge our thinking and go to the word to test what we say and what others say. Paul exhorted leaders like Timothy as well as to the members of the churches he planted to be diligent and watchful and careful about their doctrine. This is good advice for us to follow today, too.

PT 2

Jesse

Before that verse 13 (ie in verse 12) it says, "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

Why fear and trembling? Because if one doesn't follow the narrow road but walks the wide highway then no matter if that person is born again or not the end will always be distruction. And because God does not want us to get there, He uses all sort of ways to affect our behavior to make us follow His commandments.

Jesse I know what you believe about this topic, salvation, we have talked about that many times in the past. My purpose is to explain myself and not to offend you. Have a blessed week. Your brother in Christ.

PT 1

Hello Jesse.

Well I would say that "if it is Gods will for me to do something, and He puts it in my heart, then in my free will, I either choose to do it or not to do it. If I choose not to do it God will not force me to do it. He will work it in my heart but will not force me. He will not "magically" make me do what He desires. We are not robots who are programmed to do specific things, we have to want to do something.

But let me explain myself. God can not violate people's free will, not because He can not do it but because He wants us to choose freely what we want to do. This is free will. It would be easy for God to appear to all mankind and everybody then would believe in Him and accept Him and Kneel in front of Him. But in such a case people would be compelled to do so. But God wants us to choose Him freely without being complelled to do so. So it will be obvious who loves the truth and who loves the darkness.

In the case of a believer God acts as an earthy father. When we want our Kids to do something i.e. clean their rooms then we talk to them, we explain to them why this is good, etc, etc, hoping that after sometime our Kids will change they way they behave and do the proper thing. Even sometimes we use punishments or rewards to achieve what we want. But that has not always the result we like, because some kids (like sometimes mine) do not obey even if I use the hard way. So I keep working the proper thing in his mind and hope a time will come that my efforts will finally have a result.

Similarly God works in our heart to make us follow His commandments using all sort of methods. And His commadments is the narrow road we have to follow to arrive to a victorious end, the salvation of our souls.

Jonah 3:1-10

Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,

Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.

And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.

And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:

But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.

Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Matthew 12:41

The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

End of point 2 on Scripture plus poison series...

Other than the use of pagan writings that Paul used; for instance to further expound on a concept (usally to reach those of a particular culture) such readings tend to lead us toward the slippery slope of poisonous leaven which seeks to diminish the Bible or make us somehow think it isn't adequate for use as 2 Timothy 3:16 states. When we start to find novel interpretations ultimately it is used to justify our sin; and unbelief of course is a very serious issue; and seems to be the worst sin as to it's destructive power. The other extreme is those who exaggerate the charismatic aspects to "spiritual gifts"; either at the expense of proper balance within the church in relation to ministry to others (order in worship for example). What often comes out of that if no discernment is used is a demonic spirit that mimics the Holy Spirit (such as Kundalini). Once false religions are allowed to come in then we have a "reimagined" Jesus; heaven and every other Biblical narrative is explained in such a way.

Eventually; of course the Bible is rejected outright if we continue to deny it's truth and exclusivity and we will become reprobate from the faith; if we are unregenerate. Thankfully His elect will return after being astray for a season; and such testimonies are commonplace today especially among young adults.

My third point on Scriptures and poison is something which involves turning literal scriptures into symbolic in order to "pidgeonhole" the particular doctrine espoused when it doesn't seem to fit in with particular sections of the Bible. This technique is commonplace with many Post-Millennials and A Millennials in particular; when they insist for instance that we are in the 1000 years in the church age rather than an event post Tribulation. There is often the concept that God must be done with Israel (despite certain eternal covenants promised to them that are unconditional).

Hello Spencer.

In my post I only listed what I know, not what I believe. My belief is that that person who appears to John in Rev 1 was Jesus, but there are some things that make have some doubts.

1. It it true that in verse 1 Jesus says that He sent an angel to John to reveal him the future. So where do we get to see that angel in Rev?

2. The description of that person resembles very much to the appearance of an angel discribed by Daniel.

3. I know what that person among the 7 candlestichs says to John. He speaks as if though He is Jesus Himself. But this often occurs in OT when angels speak to people as if there were God themselves.

Examples: a. Who spoke to Moses on mount Horeb from within the flame in the bushes? Although it seems it is God in verse 5, it is actually the angel of the Lord (verse 2).

b. To whom Moses was talking to on mount Sinai when he got the 10 commandments and all the other instructions? From chapter 19 onwards it seems that it is God Himself but in Acts 7:38 Stephen says to Jews that it was an angel, "This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:"

c. In Judges 2:1-4, an angel appears to talk to Israeletes but he speaks as if he was God Himself. The same happens with Gideon (chapt. 6). So it seems in many cases in OT an angel sent by God talks as he is God Himself.

(Here I have to state that many believe that the angel of the Lord who often appears in OT is (a pre-incarnation) Jesus in the form of an angel)

So those things make me have some doubts about who is the person who speaks to John, Jesus or an angel?

GBU

Part two of scripture and poison series: Twisting scriptures

In my last posting I discussed how Satan read verbatum scriptures but twisted their meaning to suit his purposes. It wasn't the text being violated but being violently hurled to attempt to appeal to lesser passions; i.e. hunger after a 40 day fast; and an attempt to alleviate suffering. This would be used later through Peter when Christ had to say "get behind me Satan" ( Matt. 16:23) when the "easy way out" was being offered. Jesus would; of course have no part of it.

The next level to "demoting" scripture is taking a promise and utilizing it for a superficial or surface level approach; ultimately to appeal to baser desires. This is; of course a well known technique of the "prosperity Gospel" crowd. The blessings are things extrapolated from scriptures such as Deuteronomy 28 which are; of course both conditional on obedience and related to certain promises specific to the territorial possessions of the nation of Israel. The list of curses following in the same chapter warn us of how God will judge those under His covenant for following false Gods in particular. The absurdity of ascribing such promises for this life and our own selfish ambition should be quelled easily enough when we study the "man of sorrows" verse in Isaiah 53:3 and the following verses in this prophetic chapter. It also robs those who are of a proper mindset from both petitioning God for the promises He has given to provide (in fear of being misunderstood or having a wrong motive). It also robs those who are of a shallow mind of being "chastised as sons" ( Heb. 12:6). That is clearly God's will; and it is not a "politically correct" prayer. Only those SERIOUS about their walk would ask such things and they obviously expect the Lord to refine them through sanctification into the finished; glorified product of His workmanship.

Further manipulation involves "hidden meanings" or other literature to add to scripture.

In my last update; I mentioned "decisional regeneration". My final statement on that subject is that we all must truly make the "decision" to verbally and in the heart confess Christ; but we must continue believing and test ourselves to see if we are in the faith after such a commitment. ( 2 Cor. 13:5). John 3:16 as I have said before is in a tense that means a CONTINUING faith; not just a one time experience where we can dwell with those of heaven and continue to live as before; therefore still on the wide road leading to destruction. If we have decieved ourselves; of course there is some crossover with the other points I have made in regard to not taking specific sins seriously; or being a tare. In the three cases examined under point one so far the Bible is used at face value; so to speak; and the poison basically comes from within ourself. Satan is by no means excluded from this process but doesn't have to do as much as in the other two cases I am about to discuss.

Case #2 Twisting scriptures

Ah; now we are getting into the enemy's camp. Most of us probably are familiar with Christ's dialogue with Satan when being tempted in the wilderness ( Matthew 4:1-11). Here there was no issue with the LITERAL interpretation of scripture but it's application. Satan wanted worship for Himself so he first used the temptation to satisfy hunger; then that of ending suffering through self destruction and finally worship for himself. In the first two cases he used scripture as his ammo. In the last case his true intentions came out; i.e. for him to be worshipped as God. Christ did the "knockout punch" there with the command to worship only God alone. Satan didn't have to use scripture to prove his point as later verses in the N.T. indicate that he has been given temporary power over the world system and Principalities in high places ( Eph. 6:12). He also knew that Jesus wouldn't be fooled by some other "religious" writings since He was the Son of God. ( James 2:19

I am putting dangers of scripture used with lethal additives. I subdivided 3 categories; with the first primarily focused on a correct reading of scripture but lack of belief in reality. The tares may or may not add heresy but as I stated previously it seems most are unaware of their desperate state but are content in themselves because they are "covered in the blood" somehow.

Those who are justifying sin may or may not be believers (such as "hyper-grace" people who somehow deny that sin still is sin after they are "saved"; or those who choose to ignore certain passages or hope God will forgive them somehow for continuing in sin.

The third part is what I called "confessional regeneration"; I meant "decisional regeneration". Again as in the first two examples of the first error the Bible is used in proclaiming the truth in question (in this case the way to salvation) correctly although it is not APPLIED properly. Perhaps if it truly IS confessional which involves the "believing in your heart" part of Romans 10:9; then a verbal affirmation has more hope of being genuine.

Sadly enough; in my own experience I know of someone who hands out a rather large sum of money for those who can correctly pass a Bile trivia question. I suppose that would save "rain man" from having to have a career loading decks of cards to make money at the casino who is quite a savant person to make a living. There are articles describing some of the sickening methods used at "altar calls" such as money for those who can invite the most people so as to obtain the most "conversions".

Sounds like a great way to promote the "Judas's" in the midst waiting to take over as the new kid in town if you get my drift..

Ignoring those gross offenses; there are some as myself who didn't understand the doctrines of election; or how God has to grant repentance and change someone for genuine conversion. I'm sure there are others who made a confession as I did and are truly saved. But many aren't

The three dangers of misusing scripture to allow sin to enter into the camp.

1. False converts, Justifying sin; "confessional regeneration".

a. False converts: There are those who deliberately enter in whether Satan worshippers or those attempting to fleece people for money that know how to recite scriptures and use it to their advantage to reel unsuspecting people in and attempt to manipulate them. I have seen these things in a former church; I won't get into details here. Many who are "tares" aren't aware themselves that they are and therefore we must "know them by their fruits." ( Matt. 7:16).

b. Justifying sin: In order to get others to approve of wrong actions as well as justifying certain behaviors; we see error today ( Romans 1:32). This is again another thing I have seen from previous experience in church where those living in obvious sin (including shacking up as well as in same sex relations) thought that they could somehow become church members. In my opinion when there is sin within the camp and a lack of fear of the Lord such individuals are given latitude to "slip in unawares" and wreak havoc. There was enough scripture taught that eventually these people stopped attending or it became more infrequent. Thankfully; one couple decided to marry after being convicted of living that way; or at least upped the ante some.

Again; it is easy to look at sexual sins and obvious failings and not look at pride and jealousy and gossip as being dangerous elements threatening to tear apart the unity in a church. ALL of these things; of course are covered in scripture and in this case you can't make a "literal vs figurative" argument. To look at how one path has led to a domino effect we only need to examine increasing divorces post WW2; followed; of course by increasing numbers of remarriages. Then we see the next generation more likely to be single parents; then the 1970's free love; and now today's LGBQ etal trends.

Dont quite understand fasting what do you do ? Go all day without eating or give up someing you like for a day or just a meal explain --Please if it mean go with out food all day and cant do that Im diabetic , so what do I do

The Gospel: Pure and uncompromised

Matthew 12:34 states that "out of the abundance of the heart; the mouth speaketh." Isaiah 8:20 speaking about those who are false Prophets says "to the word and the testimony". They are said if not to speak the truth to have "no light of the dawn". Contrast this with Revelation 12:11 where the word of their testimony of the Tribulation martyrs indicates that they "loved not their lives unto the death." With today's churches having doctrines as skewed as they are we aren't safe to assume that occultic demonic "doctrines of demons" haven't already infected many congregations as 1 Timothy 4:1 warns. But for the remainder of this discussion I will assume that at least a respectable version of the scriptures is being preached in the churches I am examining here.

The Lord stated how "a little leaven ruins the whole loaf". ( Galatians 5:9 and other verses). No one is going to offer arsenic with a little inert ingredient to temper the flavor as an appetizer; but if being devious will put a little poison in something that is tasty. Satan won't come along saying that he is a deceiver; liar and murdurer and by the way wouldn't you like to join my cause? Admittedly there are a few who are sadistic enough to play the fiddle with the Devil as it were with some fantasy that they are so vile that they can command the Devil what to do; and there are some who despite knowing his nature think that Satan won't grind them into powder as was requested by Satan to Christ in the case of Peter.

The greatest danger; therefore lies when sin enters within the tent; the congregation of meeting and scripture is mixed in to instill false confidence in one's spiritual standing; or twisted to justify what eventually becomes a festering cancer after initially being toyed with by a few in idle conversation. There is also the ever present danger of trying to justify a doctrine; either true or false by turning literal scriptures to figurative.

This "stone" that Christ says "those that fall on it will be broken and those it falls on will be ground to." ; what is it and why the difference in severity?

Pray for the United Kingdom's leaders they would be good men having compassion on others and be saved with eternal life thanks retired nurse

Praying.

Praying

Praying for you

Oh and. Whatever you do, do it as unto The Lord with all your might and the Lord will bless it Im sure. Pray also for His counsel.

Praying for you.

Praying for Juanita. Lord please heal her and may it be evident to all as a witness to Your great mercy Lord! In Jesus name.

Thank you, God bless

I'm praying for you Courtney. In Jesus name. God bless you.

In the book of Acts is where they were born again. Jesus said water & Spirit. They were baptized in the name Of Jesus Christ and received the holy Ghost. Therefore Acts 2:38.

That is the gospel to be obeyed.

Matthew 28:19 & John 3:3-5 is fulfilled in Acts 2:38.

The epistles from Romans- Jude was not written to the world, not written to the sinner. It is written to the brethren.

To those that disagree, you need to ask the Lord for a revelation.

Believing in Christ is just the beginning. Amen

Amen Anna! The Lord be magnified! I AM praising with you!

The Lord is great and greatly to be praised!

He has done so much for me. He brought me out of a deep dark pit and I will be forever grateful!

:-)

Psalms 63:3-4

Psalms 103:1

You and your fur babies are in my prayers this morning.

Praying for your friends home and family.

Praying for you

Amen. God bless thee, and thy family, pray for me.

Alex1939...Why did Jesus have to shed his blood on Calvary ?..There are 2 facets to the Cross...1st was the blood of the lamb..Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...But there is a 2 nd facet which is multiplication of his seed ..Smite the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand to the lil ones,..The babes and sucklings..A lil one is gonna become a 1000 and a small one a strong nation...An Israel of God...Spirits the H.G. PLURAL That was the great Promise i will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven...Thus the Messiah wd have to be a bridegroom always ready to sow his incorruptible seed in humanity as the field is the world,...John the Bap. said he that has the bride ( humanity ) is the bridegroom...God so loved the world...The Greeks wanted to see Jesus...And Jesus told them unless a seed falls in the ground it abides alone...But if it dies it will bring forth much fruit..Thus many Christ that was the promise I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven...Thus all men will see Jesus not just the Greeks...Not only will we see Jesus but we will see his seed the H.G. the Children of PROMISE...Thats what Jacob told Joseph...I had not thought to see thy face but lo God has showed me also your seed...Manasseh and Ephraim....Thats y Jesus said that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. the Children of Promise the Gift of God...The Elect is the H.G. that will show judgement to Jews and Gentiles alike...Flesh and blood are not the Children, its only the Children of Promise the H.G. that are the real Children of God...Which is our new hearts and new spirits...We are just a joint heir with the H.G...That Christ in you via his seed the words of the book...Read Romans 9:8 kjv...Not all israel is Israel thus there is gonna be an Israel of God via the seed of Jesus..That New Covenant in his blood.. Psalms 48:6 Great fear fell on them there as a woman in birth pains..And they shall be afraid pangs n sorrows.