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Please pray and agree with me in prayer that I can continue tapering off of the Klonopin medication and that the trauma induced oppressive dreams (which I have been battling for years) will cease and that I can be free from this bondage.

Also pray and agree with me that my health and sleep will be restored unto me.

Thank you,

Gary

"It is true, that Jesus' love for sinners was His prime motivation to give up His Life in redemption; but if it was also God's Love for all people that caused Him to provide a sacrifice, can we measure or understand that Love, by Him just creating a suitable sacrifice or by giving up His Own Life for us? An earthly perspective: is real love & salvation seen by someone calling out to another to help a child caught in a rip, or should not that the man himself go out & risk his life to save? It's easy to get someone else, but true love is by doing the job yourself. And God did that in the Incarnation."

Very good point here Brother Christ.

Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Matthew 20:28.

This love was displayed to us while we were yet sinners.

God bless

Adam,

Thanks, I understand the passion this subject brings. What you said, you may have thought I had a goal to demean Christians believing what the Bible says is when I felt it was going the wrong way. I hope you understand. Maybe we can have other discussions?

God bless,

RLW

RLW, that's your choice, but its unfortunate that after all the effort to narrow down differences and beliefs that those still remain unknown. I don't know what emotions you are assuming. Most people don't even know what their own spouse is feeling so to imagine and assume what someone you've never met is feeling by a few words typed on the internet would seem like quite a superpower. God bless.

Goodbye and may God bless you all , especially Mishael , Skip , Fred , Bennymkje , Richard , Alex and Earl . Looking forward to seeing you in Our Father's Kingdom . In my heart always .

Goodbye Ronald , you have said so many things perfectly :) , I hope you continue to do so . Much love to you in Christ .

Goodbye Momsage , I hope you find someone else to ' discuss ' with :) .

May God continue to keep you busy :) .

In the 80s I woke up in the wee hours with a voice and a verse. Immediately I woke up and referred the passage, " And of Benjamin he said, The beloved of the Lord shall dwell in safety by him; and the Lord shall cover him all the day long, and he shall dwell between his shoulders."(De.33:12) I am the youngest son so named Benjamin. "And he shall dwell between his shoulders"I took it as "I am in his will." I have three other younger sisters. How did my father think that I' m the yougest son. But looking back I can see that I was foreknown. So let us say, each child of God shall find there was no coincidence or luck but His grace.

On Dec.28 2021 while I dressed up for the day I heard a small voice prompting me to begin a dictionary, comparing the spiritual with spiritual. Straightaway I began the day with entries. OnMay 8,2022 I finished the entire work which since then went through editing and I took it up lately knowing that my work was not in void but blessed by the Lord. He that has begun a good work shall see to it whether I am still around or not. I have not put my name as the author since God is the author and finisher of it.

Hi Jena,

Thank you, sometimes we need to step back but I must say there is love on this site. You stay strong in your faith, we know He is with us.

God bless,

RLW

It's hard work shaking off those old chains :) . Our parents can load us with baggage but Christ takes it off us and shows us a better way , I'm glad he found you , I can't imagine what would have become of me if he hadn't dragged me out of the fire . He's worked wonders for you , keep up the good work .

You are important to God . Stick with Him , He won't ever let you down .

"I have another comment about the KJV . I think the reason that MANY ascribe an almost mythical status"

A true believer does not believe the bible is mythical, which means made up, they love it in all it's truth and glory. It could have been penned by anyone under God's anointing, but He decided to use king James for the very reasons you give.

"It seems quite a reasonable arguement to me , but it's one that I'm staying out of as of now :)."

You speak your opinion and give what you believe is a reasonable argument but then tell people you won't discuss what they have to say with them. That's your right, of course, but it seems a little unfair to others here because, after all, this is a discussion forum.



DISCUSSION

Consideration of a subject by a group; an earnest conversation.

A formal discourse on a topic; an exposition.

"I learned a long time ago that the chances of me ever being able to change anyone's opinion about anything are almost nil , so I don't often try . MATTHEW 28: 16-20

I hope and pray all goes well with you and God blesses you mightily and I will honor your wishes. God Bless :)

Adam,

I do not have a goal, and I have never tried to demean anyone on this site. I feel this conversation is causing emotions that should not be and I am sorry, I never wanted that and to reply to you would be wrong. Out of love and respect, I will end this discussion.

God bless,

RLW

Powerful.

Great point. That must have been utterly shocking, terrifying, and maybe humiliating for Saul / Paul to hear Jesus like that.

I'm sure you know this went off topic of my original question, but am happy to discuss as long as this is genuine and respectful.

I did some searching online and couldn't yet find any church that believes what you said. A website for Orthodox Christians also said you don't have to believe in trinity to be saved, so I question the validity of this belief.

Is the goal of this is to demean Christians who believe what the Bible says about God in John 1:1, 1 John 5:7? Believing what the Bible says is not a doctrine, but denying it or twisting it can be considered a manmade doctrine.

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:8 KJV

The Alpha and Omega is the Lord Jesus.

"And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."

Revelation 21:6-7

This says the Alpha and Omega "will be his God". Do you agree?

Does this not plainly say that the Lord Jesus is God?

If Jesus was not God, then why would the Bible say so many times that He IS God, like in John 1:1, 1 Timothy 3:16, Isaiah 9:6, and His own name Immanuel means "God with us". One would think if God wrote a Bible to convince us that Him dying for us was not Him but someone else and to tell us that salvation is from someone else and not through Him, then why would it say so many times Jesus is God. People called Him God, His name was God, He has the power of God, and the Bible says He is God. But I'm supposed to believe that He isn't though?

god equip me to take care of my mother with demintia and god soften the heart of my daughter n law towards me to include me and to have a respect and mutal love for me

Pray for my son for difficult time in his marriage. Give him strength thru the turbulence.

Been dealing with a lot lately spiritually and emotionally. I don't trust anyone anymore not even my own family. I really need prayer. God knows everything I've been going through and I just want to ask for prayers.

I googled it, it turns out we have a national forgiveness day and a global forgiveness day and probably some other forgiveness days. I did not know that.

Please forgive meI have broken every commandment. I am guilty of It all.

I repent. Please forgive me. Jesus help me not to sin anymore. I'm so broken over my sin. I'm sorry.

We all have a past while God saw future in us. Growing under the rod and thumb of a stern father I know what it is having to give account for my days. So I bristled whenever my woman would want to know. Luckily it never showed up. I thought to myself, "I am a fool to reply to love as I did to my father, in defensive mode". God made me see difference so the stern attitude I learned now to apply where it require, So I would rather please God. Both ways I am content with love of being a husband and a son who ought to give glory to our Father which art in heaven. It is all how we look at things outside of ourselves. "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

Hi Carleton,

Thank you, hope you and family are doing well. That is interesting, have not heard it put that way. I will look on this in study.

God bless,

RLW

Hey Adam,

Thank you; The statement of faith of many churches has the Trinity doctrine as a foundational belief of their faith, and you cannot join if you do not agree. I can only say what I have been told and how I was treated in some churches the denominations do not matter. The Orthodox view says if you do not believe the Trinity, you are not saved and are not a Christian. Some bible discussion sites before you go on them you must endorse the Nicene Creed. That is why I love this site and the people on it. Let's leave it at that.

God bless,

RLW

Good morning all!

"Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?" 2 Corinthians 11:29 KJV

Paul's meditations in the churches of God.

I do admire your self control and determination :) , I wish I had some of those traits . Thanks for your great effort and interesting posts , keep it up please :) .

:) , I do wonder what motivates people to ask a question that they already think they know the answer to , is it just to illicit different responses in order to ' debate ' or to berate ? Silence is golden in those circumstances I think ;) .

Hi RLW,

I see you didn't respond to the question, so I'll put it here again. It's important to know where you get this idea from.

In the last 50 years or more I've attended many different Christian church denominations and I've never once heard of anyone saying you must believe in a trinity to be saved.

Are you sure that is what someone said?

Ronald, can you give an example of what specific Christian church denomination and location you believe said this or if it was just one person who said this to you?

Broad divisions of Re.12

The Spirit has set the entire will of God and the fulfillment by Jesus Christ is in harmony of the narrative mode of the Spirit. He sets heaven, the earth and the lower parts in one which is illustrative ofthe last book serving as envoi or coda of the Core Will over this Salvation saga.

We are analyzing this chapter as determined in the Will so time is the constituted time set by the Spirit. Since the earthy ministry is obliquely stated the days mentioned in v.6 to reconcile his ministry in the flesh, in the spirit and as the Son set down on the right hand of the most High upholding all things by the word of his power. "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days." (v.6) The flight of the woman into the wilderness' is embedded in the history of Israel. We are to assume from this line, "and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered,"(v.2) include diverse events from the fiery furnace in Egypt (De.4:20) to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 which are not germane to the narrative.

Secondly the line "where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her "(v.6) include the diaspora of Israel, state established in 1948, which is not by her own will but refers to the mercy of God. From vv.13-16 we see another calamity striking Israel and the left out church. "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman." (v.13)

Notice the time is stated differently? No more in days but with a tag first mentioned in the Book ofDaniel. (Dan.12:7;7:25).The saints in another wave have been gathered during the great silence in heaven.(Re.8:1) So we have, "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."(v.16)

You are spot on, Jema. We speak because we belief in the Word of God and express in an open forum. Here too I have noticed that what was so obvious to me is for another, nonsense. It must be so. God has poured the same Spirit but how another one treats it at their own risk. I hope to express what the Spirit has revealed to me and not to please opinions of others."For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ."(Gal.1:10)