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Some believe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His spirit was in hell.Scripture doesn't support that position when it is taken in context and we look at the meaning of the word "hell." In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all SOULS of the dead went to await resurrection.

In the KJV, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated "HELL" here is not the Greek word "HADES" but is the Greek word "TARTARUS" meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the "gulf" that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).

Wherefore He saith, When JESUS ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things" ( Ephesians 4:8-10). Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory

Revelation 14:20

And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Revelation 19:19

And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him (JESUS) that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Revelation 19:21

And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his MOUTH: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

[This passage uses the symbolism of grapes in a winepress to describe the eventual defeat of the wicked in the end times. As grapes are crushed and broken to release wine, the bodies of God's enemies will be smashed in a bloody defeat. Taken in absolutely literal terms, this verse describes a cascade of blood some five or six feet (2 meters) high and 180 miles (290 kilometers) long. Most interpreters see this as primarily symbolic. Some suggest that what's described is a 1600-stadia zone of carnage during battle, so violent that blood is splattered as high as the head of a horse.

Whether entirely or partly poetic, one thing is certain: this judgment creates a gory scene. Revelation 19:13 pictures Jesus as having blood on His robe as He rides into warfare against the wicked. Although some believe this is the blood Jesus shed on the cross, others see this as the blood of His enemies. The interpretation that it is the blood of His enemies is supported by the prophetic picture given in Isaiah 63:2-4. Jesus' defeat of His enemies at the end of the tribulation will be absolute and terrible.]

Revelation 14:20

Serita,

I am sorry to hear of your MS. Being diagnosed with MS may not have anything to do with something you're doing wrong. It definitely doesn't have anything to do with a lack of faith. There is no such thing as a person who has been born of the Spirit of God having a lack of faith because spiritual faith is not something we can produce. If you have received Christ, you have already healed. You have been healed spiritually. Sin is a spiritual disease and Jesus Christ is the remedy for that. That's what He heals us from, sin. Although He can and does heal people physically, there is no promise that He will always do so. But please know that whatever we suffer in the flesh, it has nothing to do with our lack of faith. You are doing nothing wrong!

This verse is often cited when referring to the collapse of godly authority. The Hebrew phrasing here can be taken in more than one way. This is most often translated as asking "if-or when-this happens, what can good people then do?" Another possibility is to render this as asking "what have good people accomplished?" In either case, this verse warns of catastrophic results when fundamental principles are destroyed. In David's immediate case, this refers to his role as Israel's king and the consequences of abandoning that role. In a more general sense, it speaks to the ruin a society will face when the most basic aspects of godliness are removed.

David knew what would happen if the enemy triumphed. Because he was Israel's king, if the enemy succeeded, the nation's very foundations would be destroyed. Law and order grounded in righteousness and justice, under the headship of the godly king, would crumble. Evil and chaos would ensue. What could the righteous do in such a situation? Of course, David believed he would prevail. He was sure that law and order would continue. His trust was in the Lord ( Psalm 11:4), therefore he was confident the enemy would not triumph.

Years later, God allowed Babylon to carry Israel into captivity because of her idolatry and neglect of the Sabbath. In both a symbolic and literal sense, the foundations were destroyed-including the demolition of the temple from its cornerstones. But in his perfect timing, God raised up Ezra to return to Jerusalem and lay the foundation ( Ezra 3). If doctrinal error destroys a church's foundation of truth, believers must restore the foundation before any healing can happen. Congregations must heed the Lord's admonitions to be and do what He desires ( Revelation 2:3)

The foundation of law and must be repaired and supported by the God loving community.

Meditation = reflect on, study, practice: Psalms 1:1-3, Joshua 1:8, 2Timothy 2:15,

Psalms 119:15,23,48,78,97,99,148 Psalms 19:14, 1Timothy 4:15-16, Psalms 143:5, Psalms 63:6,

Hopefully this is helpful

Revelation 14:20,

1st, because this scripture has put an emotion in you. I assume GOD is working on something within you, possibly to show you truth or study deeper.

2nd, pray for wisdom also James 1:5, in what GOD wants to reveal to you, deeper than I may show you.

3rd, to me I understand this Psalms 11, & Psalms 11:3, appears to be written by David, it seems to point to when he was being pursued by Saul into the mountains. Please read 1Samuel 19:10, 1Samuel 18:29, 1Samuel 23:26, could David be referring to the foundation being destroyed referring to himself? 1Kings 9:5, Jeremiah 33:17, Psalms 132:11, being the promise of GOD to establish HIS throne through David?

4th, because the temple wasn't made yet, 1Chronicles 28:3-21, Psalms 127:1,

5th, however David's Psalms were also prophetic like Psalms 22,

6th, Jesus being in the lineage of David: Matthew 22:42, Acts 13:22, Matthew 1:1,

7th, other scripture: Isaiah 28:16, 1Corinthians 3:11-17,

Hopefully this is helpful

Spencer Isaiah 11 is using Jesse David and Solomon as symbolic language for a kingdom coming in the last days...When God was gonna set his hand a 2 nd time to recover the remnant of his ppl... Isaiah 11 : 7...But just think a minute Isaiah lived approx. 300 yrs AFTER Jesse David and Solomon but Isaiah is still using these 3 men as symbolic language for a kingdom coming in the last days...Which speaks volumes of the trinity being Father son and GRANSON...Solomon was the Granson that God wanted to build the great temply not David the Son...Ya see that ?....It was in the heart of David to build the temple...But God wd not let David the son build the temple...Why am i saying this...simply b/c Jesus is not gonna build the temple in our hearts...Its gonna be the H.G. that heavenly Solomon..That special son that came out of Davids loins is just prophetic of a special son that is gonna come out of Christ loins...When he breathe on them they received the H.G. The H.G. IS that child OF Promise that Greater then Solomon that is here Jesus mentions...As our bodies are the temple of the H.G.....OK I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT...I believe this JESSE DAVID SOLOMON RELATIONSHIP IS JUST PROPHETIC OF THE Father Son and the H.G....Which was liturally Father Son and Granson....As Solomon was the Granson....Remember Jesus said that it is expedient for you that I go away if i go not away the Comforter will not come....David had to die that Solomon wd be King....Jesus had to go away that the kingdom wd come...But Jesus said whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth ME..GOD...ok

Hello Donna,

I am so very sorry you have to go through this emotional experience. Let me pray for you and your friends: Dear Father, I pray for the Donna's friend, who felt so overwhelmed, she probably felt it would be even more overwhelming to burden her friends. Until we understand others and ourselves can be so overwhelmed and drawn into a vacuum, and in a mode of caring, protect burdening others with our struggles, the least we want is to cause our loved ones to feel it is their fault. For those of use who are in the midst of one who had decided to take their life, let us step away from blame, and grieve the moment of the event. We are not always aware of things bothering an individual, and might not be knowledgeable because of its hiddenness. This is a difficult time for Donna and I pray that in her grief, You profoundly speak to her heart to bring her peace, rest, and an understanding as You know she can understand. May she find focus on the memories shared and had brought joy in her friend's life, and know that Your love and compassion is always in the presence. Thank you for taking care of Donna's friend as you watch over her in her rest, until the day You call her upon Your trumpet call, for she is forever your child, and the light that shown upon this earth you keep constant gaze upon, knowing where each of your children are, and unceasingly delighting - in all things - that Yours remain the light in Your sight, and in Your love. You know our struggles in the sinful earth, and you grieve that we struggle upon it, and so Your compassion to our overwhelmness is with grace and mercy. It is Your heaven, and it is Your call to bring us home. Thank you, Father.

I was studying Law in Michigan when they voted & allowed the horrific crime of "Partial Birth Abortion" it was described in detail. Where the woman would go full term, into natural birth then,._(the act I do not want to even speak about how) they do the horrific crime, Killing the newly born child.

In the Constitution of the United States it establishes the Right to Life. The Rights to GOD given Rights. Those are the Laws I would start with. I ask you to pray how you can honor GOD ALMIGHTY & protect innocent life.

2Kings 24:4, Proverbs 6:16-17, Deuteronomy 27:25, Joel 3:19, Psalms 10:8, Isaiah 59:7,

* Jeremiah 22:3,

James 1:5-7,

Thank you for your prayers!

Thank you for your prayers!!

Thank you for your prayers!

Firstly, I do not, in any way question my faith or have questions of understanding it. I am very territorial of my relationship with Christ: it is common my every day speech projects my faith in deep understanding with study, devotion, prayer, and life choices.

A new family moved next door to my daughter and I. It is a young couple that when they moved in, something immediately stirred in me. I would have thought it was just me, but other surrounding neighbors (even some regular homeless) have an uncomfortably unapproving feeling toward the couple. There are the many little things they do. I have filed - twice for restraining order because the young man seems to find it a game to follow me in his car. I then drop the charges because I don't want to subject my time in court on the nature of the neighbors. So I ignore them at the most. They seem to "taunt" for attention regardless - perhaps bullying or harassing?

In all regard, I have NEVER felt the aversion I feel when they are visible to me, and I am really having a hard time with it. Through the past Lent and Passover, of which I focus on multiple exercises of faith I uphold - fasting, breaking bread (at home), special praying time, etc., it was as if the neighbors kicked up their heels and in the darkest way pursued pokes - it wasn't my imagination. The young lady exited her backyard egress and walked around to the front where I was sweeping. She appeared in front of me with her phone recording me. I asked her - at first - to walk away, and she persisted to provoke me. I don't know where it came from, but I yelled at her to go away, and it became a justification for her to record further. I've witnessed other random people threaten to call police on them for similar harassment.

I need prayer to address my very deep feelings of aversion, and a spiritual shield of protection against the neighbors. I have forgiven, and assumed grace toward them. I've given them over to God, but still am consumed w/aversion.

Hello Sister,

Prayers for you and your friends ! Hard to say anything :(

You mean that donna that wrote always here and asked for prayers ?

I am not sure.. and your name is donna too ?

Kim,

In John Chapter 19, it tells us that at the moment before Jesus died on the cross, He dismissed His Spirit. His body was taken down from the cross and was laid in the grave for three days, but it tells us in Ephesians Chapter 4 that He (His Spirit) descended into the lower parts of the earth. So, His body laid in the grave for three days, but not His Spirit.

I want to know when a person has done wrong in this life and a lot of it was very wrong and they have a mental illness that clearly doesn't help their decision making process are they bound to hell because they can't completely devote themselves as their thoughts can not focus normally?

According to Psalms 11vs3, what kind of foundation is the bible taking about and is there anything that can be done?

Where does it state that blood will be up to horses bridles?

Where was Jesus during the three days before His resurrection?

When they told Jacob that Joseph his son was alive and 2 nd only to Pharoah....Jacob packed up everything and went to Egypt., Gen 48 : 1..Stood before Joseph and said lo i had not thought to see your face ever again ..But lo God has not only showed me your face but also your SEED MANASSEH AND EPHIAIM.... Gen 48 : 11 Which is a picture of US The Church.

.....Lots of us didn't ever think we wd see Jesus ever...But not only will we see Jesus again we are gonna also see his SEED the H.G. the Children of Promise...By the new birth...ok...i just had to mention that....I love to read about Joseph, brings tears to my eyes....Isaiah said he wd see his seed and be satisfied.

Amen Gigi.

As you said this is nothing new, It's been going on for years.

These messages should be Christ centered.

When I first encountered this on a year and a half ago. Myself and others reasoned with this person to no avail.

He left the site for a few months then returned quietly looking for an opportunity or opening, I was curious to see if anything has changed. Once I saw there was no change and no message for salvation I no longer respond or read any of their comments, replies, or posts.

I've heard all their views, I'm sure nothing has changed.

There's no virtue from those who constantly reject scripture and besides they're not trying to win us over but they're trying to use us as a springboard to spread their message.

A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Titus 3:10.

God bless.

Hi Dav47, thanks for sharing that, but those verses don't say anything about gender either, and not anything about being genderless in heaven. You said there's lots of them, but so far nothing you've shared say that. So, without the Bible actually saying that, I don't believe your assumption that there's no gender in heaven. God bless.

I rely & believe in the Bible. I am reaching out as I am in a state of shock along with friends as my friend committed suicide .She was a person one would never think would be capable of wanting to or be able to do this. No warning signs. Yes she was a Christian .She was 64 years old. She shot herself in the chest. I have been trying to figure out did I miss something as are my other friends . Please say a prayer for her family & friends. I have been following this site for a long time ,including it with my daily Bible study. I don't post often. Her name is Donna.

Question for everyone. When I read meditation I immediately consider that is everything other then a Christian base. In the back of my head I don't feel or truly think that.

Jesus Christ is the Godhead:

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

My heart is heavy for my son Darin who is currently going through a very tough spiritual battle. I ask for prayers from my Christian brethren to pray for him in Jesus name and Jesus precious blood. Amen!

Thank you so much Joleen! My Love in Christ Jesus to you!

Mishael, there are at least 20 states pushing for Roe vs Wade to be overturned on the when it is they will implement laws at the state level that each state will abide by. States like Texas, Indiana and Kentucky are waiting and hoping that the supreme court decides that abortion matters should be handled by each state. Mishael, I'm from Michigan and Michigan is a pro-choice state. If the supreme overthrows Roe vs Wade, our governor will try to use her executive privileges to make it legal for a woman to get an abortion. I'ts legal now, except in the case of rape or incest, but, and I might be wrong, a woman cannot have government intervention in deciding if she wants to get a abortion. I think the Michigan constitution makes it illegal for the government to intervene when deciding whether or not to have an abortion. I'm still not certain of the details of the Michigan constitution so pray for me. And continue to pray for me because I'm running for governor here in Michigan. Stay in touch. Respectfully submitted Joyce P. Gipson.