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Dear Gigi,

Thank you humbly & kindly. VS said, "I don't know,", when asked if he believes in God. Thank you, genuinely. May God always bless you.

Hi Alex, so I see where you are coming from, but, Bionically speaking you appear to be painting half the picture. I am already aware of the wheat and the tares. The purpose of this parable is not to prove OSAS. As a matter of fact, this is a final judgement parable and the fact that children of God and children of satan are going to be together, among one another, until Christ's 2nd coming. However, when I look at this parable in conjunction to all the other parables of scripture, and the teachings of the epistles, I think the Bible differs from what you are saying.

Biblical salvation is not a 1x event & we have to look at the warning passages & understand that the promise of eternal life is conditional. For example, Paul writes in 1 Cor. 15: 1-2 "Moreover, brethren (fellow believers), I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received , and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." Notice that salvation is conditional on our continued faith in Christ.

Col. 1: 22-23 "to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: IF ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard". Again, notice the condition for salvation.

We also see the promise of eternal life is conditional on continued faith, which doesn't make it a "work" or "keeping myself saved". Christ is still doing the saving, even though we must remain steadfast in the faith.

1 Peter 1:5 is clear that we are kept by God through faith. God is doing the keeping, it is still His gift. However, it is OUR faith (continued present tense in the Greek).

The point of the wheat & tares is that there are going to be Christians and non-believe together until Christ's coming. Only those who remain steadfast, grounded & endure to the end will inherit the gift of eternal life (ref. 1 Jn. 2:24-25 & Rom. 6: 22)

Lord God in heaven I continue to pray that you guide Gabby and me and reunite us in love. Lord God Gabby has chosen to continue to be bitter and stubborn but Lord God I know you can change the heart of even the most stubbornness person. Lord God in heaven Gabby is also terrified to death of her mother Stacy who is a practicing Wiccan and is hateful and uses her daughter as a pawn in a very unhealthy mother daughter relationship. Lord God I command in the name of the Holy Spirit to break this awful satanic strong hold Stacy has over Gabby. Lord God in heaven Gabby knows the truth Lord God I pray that the Holy Spirit moves into the midst of this situation and continues to knock on the door and will not leave her alone. I Ask in Jesus Name. We believe therefore we shall receive it. Praise God And I ask you say this prayer aloud. All in agreement.

I was having a conversation with a sister and the subject of all things created for the consumption of man in moderation. But I cannot remember or find this in any verses currently. Would it be possible that it would be in the NKJ EASY READ?

Marke, you stated "It is also impossible for a Christian who is saved because he yielded to the witness of the Holy Ghost to come to Jesus for salvation to then refuse to do that after he has already done it. Christians get saved once, not over and over again." Can you please reference the Bible verse that says it's impossible for a Christian to refuse salvation once they have done so? And can you reference the Bible verse that says one doesn't get saved over and over again.

How about the parable of the prodigal son? He was at home with the father, but, of his free will went out on his own and ended up lost. He came back again and we forgiven. He was dead and was made "alive again". Some may say this is a reference to the initial "born again" experience ( John 3). However, this is different because the prodigal son was already with the father before becoming an "apostate".

How about Rom. 11: 23 "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again." This is in regard to the state of grace the gentiles were in and their need to remain in Christ or be cut off. Likewise, anyone who comes back to Christ can be graffed in AGAIN. This was a clear admonition to the Gentile converts to remain in the body of Christ or ultimately be lost.

There are so many warnings in the NT alone to think that it is impossible for one to walk away from Christ, renounce their faith, and still go to Heaven. And there is no proof in the Bible that everyone who renounces their faith was "never really saved". Some, yes. However, that doesn't negate the warnings to the true believer to remain in Christ or be cut off from eternal life. The Bible teaches salvation is a walk with Christ, not a 1 time event.

If one who renounce Christ is "never really saved", then how can anyone know if they are really saved, since we can't predict the future. We can have assurance of salvation and still take the warnings to remain on guard serious.

Marke, I see where you are coming from on point 4 and I've studied this topic in depth. However, when reading this with the parable of the 10 virgins it make a lot more sense. In that parable from Matthew 25: 1-13, there were 10 virgins with oil in their lamps. The oil represents the Holy Spirit, in which they are the "light" of the world. The virgins represent the church (ref. 2 Cor. 11:2). Now, 5 were foolish and let their oil be quenched (ref. 1 Thes. 5:19). Now, when the 10 got to door and were greeted by the groom (representing Christ on the day of judgement) he told the 5 foolish virgins he "never knew them". That seems odd that he would not know them just because they let the oil burn out. They didn't guard their oil and tend to it, and they ended up in the darkness of night (hell).

We know from Eph. 1: 13 that we are sealed w/ the Holy Spirit when we believed on Christ, but, even seals can be broken. We also see in Eph. 1:14 that the Holy Spirit is our earnest, but, that is not a guarantee. If we could never have our names blotted out of the Book of Life and forfeit the Holy Spirit by not remaining faithful to Christ then why would Christ even tell his followers of the parable of the 10 virgins?

You also said that nowhere in the Bible does Christ say that he once knew someone and then didn't. For that, I go to Rev. 3:16, in which Christ spits out the lukewarm Christian. This is not a depiction of someone who was "never in Christ to begin with" but someone who was in Christ and is spit out.

Also Rev. 3: 21 "To him that OVERCOMETH will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." To overcome means to endure to the end ( Matthew 24:13)

Paul speaks under inspiration of the Holy Spirit tell Christians in Rom. 6: 16 that only those who obey Christ will inherit eternal life. This is not a unconditional.

Also ref. 2 Peter 1: 10-11 regarding eternal life. It's conditional, not unconditional.

It's been put on my heart, to share my ebarringly painfull I need to share in person.

My mama always says to die is to be present with the Lord and I say the dead in Christ shall rise first and they which are alive and remain will be caught up together with Him in the air.

But if she sees Him before I do either here or there, please ask her to kiss his precious feet for me and tell Him I love Him! I want to see Him face to face so I can fall down and worship him with thanksgiving. I would say with tears but there would be no tears in Heaven.

Marke, regarding 1 Cor. 9: 24-27 you said "Paul likens the Christian life after salvation to that of running a race. He is talking about receiving rewards and commendations at the judgment seat of Christ. He is not talking about running to finally obtain long-sought-after salvation offered in Christ but never vouched by Christ until the race is audited by Christ, in the end, to see if the race was run well enough" However, I disagree with your interpretation of this and will explain.

In v. 25, Paul states "And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible." You think this has to do with rewards (plural). However, this is singular. We compare this to James 1:12 "Blessed is the man that ENDURETH temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life (eternal life), which the Lord hath promised to them that love him (conditional promise!)." and Rev. 2:10 "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou FAITHFUL unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life (eternal life)."

In both James and Revelation there's enduring and overcoming. There are conditions to God's promise of eternal life.

As for "cast away", I fail to see the connection between being a cast away and receiving/losing heavenly rewards. Cast away means being cast our from Christ and His Kingdom. Continuing to 1 Cor. 10: 11-12 "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for OUR admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he FALL." Fall from what? Salvation! Also, in 1. Cor. 10:4 Paul says they drank of the spiritual rock, which was Christ. Yet, they were cut off and destroyed for not doing God's will. And we know idolators and fornicators won't inherit eternal life.

GiGi, I'm so sorry! If she really wants to go and she's saved then I certainly cannot stop her, nor would I want to. I have been deathly septic twice. God brought me back from the very brink of death. I didn't even have the strength to pray. I couldn't have told you my name. But He brought me back. If it's a matter of healing I know He's able. Gods will be donein Jesus name! Much love and prayer to you and yours in this difficult time. If she does go home, please ask her to kiss the feet of Jesus for me and tell him I love him.

Dianne, I will pray for Susan,

Dear Heavenly Father, please bring healing to Susan's intestines, healing the diverticulitis. Bring health to her bowels. Help her as she overcomes the symptoms as you bring this healing.

We ask this of You, Father, in the name of Your Son, Jesus, Amen.

Regarding Heb. 4:3, this paints half the picture. Looking at Heb. 3: 12-19 through Heb. 4: 11 you'll see that while all who believed do enter into Christ's rest, it's a journey. I've seen a lot of posts in this thread saying that Christians "will endure to the end" or if they live in disobedience they are still eternally secure. If that is the case, Why does Heb. 5:9 say Christ is the author of eternal life for those who obey him? Why are Christian told to continue in well doing for eternal life? Why are there so many if/then warnings. If/then warning constitute conditions.

Regarding Mt. 13:35, I'm not sure what this has to do with unconditional eternal security. Christ's perfect sacrifice was known Him since the foundation of the world. Yet, each individual believer must repent, turn to Christ, & remain grounded/steadfast if they are going to receive the end of their faith, eternal life ( Rom. 6:22).

Regarding Jn 15:16, Christ is omniscient. From the foundation of the world he knew who his 12 apostles would be and who would betray him. Yet, each individual believer must come to Christ and abide in him for the hope of eternal life. 1 Jn 2:24-25 makes this clear.

You also said "Man is a vessel, he has no say IN THE WORKS OF GOD." If this is the case, why doesn't God just save everyone? After all, it's the will of the Father that all be saved. I agree salvation is of God. It's HIS grace & gift to give. Yet, we must receive this gift (that's something we do) & must endure in saving faith for eternal life. And Faith is faith. Remaining faithful doesn't somehow make it "work". Calling it a work is somewhat of a straw man argument.

Regarding Phi. 2:13, this is a primary function of the Holy Spirit, but, we can resist, grieve and quench it. Notice v. 16 "Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain." Paul would labour in vain if his converts didn't endure to the end for eternal life.

E. I continue to pray for K. and A.

Lord God, HELP!

I tried to respond and lost the verses. Anyway; look at Ephesians 6:17; Romans 13:4; and the earlier warnings to Pergamum for a similar response of God if repentance doesn't occur. There are other verses such as in Isaiah which prophetically speak of the sword of the Lord as it were. Basically; there is the effect on us; as the Spirit of God should pierce our hearts as Luke 2:35 states; and it is also our offensive weapon against the fiery darts of the enemy ( 1 Peter 4:12). These should be a sobering reminder; as the scripture states if we are scarcely saved; what about the ungodly (also in 1 Peter 4). There are some; as in the Corinthian church who have "fallen asleep" and who are "given over to Satan for the destruction of the body so that the soul can be saved." ( 1 Cor. 5:5).

The Lord chastises all He loves; and they will ultimately produce fruit if they are truly saved. He is patient; but will do whatever is necessary for His plans and work in our lives to be accomplished. Truly; we are Christ's great reward for His sufferings (see Isaiah 53:11). He is given ALL authority over heaven and earth; which would be expected being a member of the Godhead. But God chose to bring Him here and to become a man suffering in all ways as we do without sin. This was God's plan and surely we all must die to ourself as the Spirit enables. Psalm 2 indicates how the world will try to break the bonds as it were of the rulership of Christ; but God has the last laugh. Surely the world will have the stone fall on them rather than falling on it.

May we allow the pruning necessary to produce fruit. Praise God that although we were enemies of God He has reconciled us. ( Colossians 1:21). Remember that those who have taken the mark have been predestined to be reprobate as they were not written in the book of the Lamb ( Rev. 13:8).

Agape.

Dear Teresa, I will pray for Tabitha tonight.

Dear heavenly Father, Tabitha is in need of Your healing power and touch. Keep this epilepsy from flaring up and harming her body. Keep Tabitha well and thriving. We ask this of You, Father, in the name of Your Son, Jesus, Amen.

Dear Lord, Jesus, You are a faithful Savior and God. We ask that You will bring help to David and Kristie in this time of need. We ask that You will provide all that is needed to overcome their concerns in this situation. We ask that Your mercy will ease all of their worries. We ask that Your power will bring healing to whatever ails them. We ask these things of You, Jesus, because You are able to answer them wholly and righteously. Amen.

Dear Kressy, I will pray for Volyyo,



Dear Heavenly Father, we ask that You draw Volyyo to You and have him hear the gospel. Have Your Holy Spirit regenerate and give him faith to believe that Gospel of Jesus. Grant him repentance for his sins, and lead him to Your Word. We ask this of You Father, in the name of Your Son, Jesus. So be it.

Mishael, I was thinking of that very verse when I read this question. We should be encouraged to know that there are millions and millions who have gone before us in faith and attaining to the prize of taking hold of Jesus and receiving the crown of glory.

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The chapter ended with Moses being commanded by God to memorialize this battle in the book and to recount it in the hearing of Joshua that God would utterly blot out Amalek from under heaven. Moses built an altar and named it "The Lord is My Banner." or YHWH-Nissi. How wonderful to know that God is over us like a banner that fights the battles foy us! Our victory comes from God, not from ourselves!

The Israelites were not a trained army yet. They were a million or so people, men/women/children. They had fled Egypt and are now out of Egypt (Sinai peninsula was still Egypt) in Midian. They most likely had not been met with many people up until now.

They were a ragamuffin band of people, not an army ready for battle.

But God fought for them. God instructed Moses to make a memorial. Not that the Israelites won the battle, but that God had gained the victory for them. So, the altar was like a victory banner that tells of the hero in a battle. YHWH-Nissi. God is our banner, He is the victor, the hero, the deliverer, the stronger, the determiner of the outcome. I should remember this, too.

Whu was Cain's wife?

Finally, I am getting back to Exodus.

This chapter has two sections:

The Israelites arrive at Rephidim near Mt. Horeb. There is no water and the Israelites are very upset with Moses. God directs Moses to strike the rock so that water will flow out of it.

The Amalekites (descendants of Esau's grandson, Amalek) come from Edom to attack the Israelites. The israelites prevail in the battle when Moses' hands are raised and the Amalekites prevail when His arms tire and are lowered.

What impresses me is that God told Moses He would be with Moses at the rock. Was He next to Moses, in front of him, next to the rock , on top of the rock, behind or in front of the rock? How did God appear? Was it in the pillar of fire or some other way? The text does not specify, but it is clear that Moses could see God there.

The people were so upset at the lack of water that they wanted to stone Moses. Moses cries out to God for help. God instructs Moses to strike the rock with his rod. Moses obeys and water gushes out of the rock. The Israelites would not have been able to survive without his water. The water continued to flow so that they had ample water for their stay around Mt. Horeb (Sinai).

The Amalekites came down from Edom to attack the Israelites. It think archeological investigations show that Jabal El Lawz, the tallest mountain in Midian on the east side of the Red sea in the Gulf of Aqaba is most likely Mt. Horeb. This would make sense as the Amalekites would not have needed to travel far and may have felt that their borders were threatened by the Israelite nation.

The Amalekites attacked Israelites, not the other way around. Moses put Joshua in charge of the army while Moses, Aaron, and Aaron's son Hur, went up to a hill with the 'rod of God'. When Moses' arms became too heavy and tired, Aaron pulled up a rock to hold up Moses' to sit upon because and Aaron and Hur supported his hands since they became heavy and tired. They did this until sundown. Joshua won!

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Earl, I read John 17:22

Jesus is not speaking of His divine glory, but the glory God gave Him as the perfect human. We will receive this same glory when we are perfected in heaven, having perfect humanity like Jesus.

Isaiah 14 pertains to Lucifer too.

Ephesians 6: Satan and demons are invisible.

Unless a human gives their own body to be possessed. Very dangerous!

Our souls belong to Almighty God.

Matthew 18:10

Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones (child); for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 4:6

And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Hebrews 13:2

Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Luke Chapter 4

8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:

11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Only God the Father commands the angels.

Jesus gave us the Lord's Prayer as a model to pray to our Father who art in Heaven. We form our prayers around the one Jesus gave to us. Personalize your requests.

One of Judas's names in the Bible is son of Perdition

John 8:7 Ive read it is believed the woman spoken of here was Mary Magdalene? Any more info on this scripture. My daughter is sitting in judgement at this moment, encouraged her to read this whole chapter that involved Jesus lso being judged.

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