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Hello Jerry, I was researching your questions last night. Esau and his descendants settled among the Horite people at in the mountains of Seir, southeast of the Dead Seir. They eventually intermingled with the Horite people and Ishmaelites, and perhaps the Midianites. They lived along the trade routes both East to West and North to South. They came in contact with many peoples from many lands. So, they most likely intermixed among many different ethnicities. Some sites say Esau's descendants are among the Jordanians, Syrians, and Kurds. But others say the descendants are among the Turks, Iranians, and Iraqis. I don't think that Esau's descendants, like Ishmael's remained intact as an ethnic group.

Exactly S. Spencer, what difference does it make to us what color her skin was. Being Egyptian was mentioned for us to know she was not an Israelites. God thought that was all that was necessary for us to know.

Dear Larry, If you are having enough pain every day that is relieved well with these medication, then maybe that is what you should do. I recommend talking to your doctor about your feeling of being addicted. Maybe he can give you another type of pain medication and slowly wean you off of the med that you are addicted to.

If your pain can be relieved by aceteminephin/ibuprofen, or other non-narcotic med. Than you may not need the narcotic. So talk with your doctor about helping you overcome this addiction.

So well stated, Mishael.

How are you feeling this week?

Hello, Kay. I am doing so much better. I can actually get a regular shoe on now (though it is a few sizes larger than normal-gives more room in the toe area. My hand is getting stronger, but gripping is still iffy.

My Mom went into the hospital Friday night. She is still there and will be there for some time. She is 88 and was found conscious but unresponsive at her home Friday night. Diagnosis is sepsis, which is very serious and often deadly for people her age. She is responding to antibiotics, fever has come down to normal from 105 and steadily improving. But this infection affects all organs and systems of the body since the blood to these is infected throughout her body. It is a terrible trauma to the body. I was able to be one of the two visitors yesterday and spent the day at the hospital with her and my oldest sister. ( there are 10 kids in all). I asked her if I could pray for her. She id not say anything, but didn't say no, so I laid my hand on her chest and prayed out loud for her. I was really hoping I'd get a chance to do that.

Please pray for her. Her name is Joan.

Thank you Daniel, we all need to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves, checking all that we read, hear, or think against the Scriptures.

Some believers thrive in a church congregations, others do not. it is good to find out which one one is. Any believer who participates in a church congregation should not assume that this church or denomination has everything right. All churches, sects, denominations have erroneous teachings or emphasis. Every believer has erroneous beliefs and emphasis, too.

Therefore, everyone should be humble, and submit to the Scriptures in all things.

Adam,

Great way to put it!!! I think you should publish that in perspective, very needed in the World today, within the Church Body & outside 'without' too.

Hi James.

You said you believe that if a person reads any portion of the Bible with a pre-conceived idea ( such as a pre-tribulation rapture) that person cannot rightly understand how the prophesies of the Bible work together. .

Isn't you giving them a pre-conceived idea by which they should interpret prophecy?

Just a friendly question, I hope you're not offended.

God bless.

James, I think you interpreted this correctly.

Giannis,

I understand your thinking here, but the promise was to all of Israel to be gathered from all nations, not just the Jews. More Jews and almost all Israelites live outside of Israel now. So, I believe that there is still a huge regathering of the whole 12 tribes of Israel back to the land promised, as the promise was to all of Israel, not just to Judah's descendants (The Jews).

I would say "Yes" because he did so to tempt Eve and he did so to Jesus to tempt Jesus in the wilderness.

Please pray for my Mom. She is hospitalized with severe sepsis since last Friday night. She is responding well to treatment but is still in a very medically unstable state. She could easily be overwhelmed by the body's inflammatory reaction to fighting this infection. She is 88. her name is Joan.

Thanks to those who have prayed for her.

Dear E. I will pray for this mom and daughter.

Dear Heavenly Father, intervene in this abuse of this daughter of A. Stop A.'s had from hitting her daughter and mouth from yelling and hurting her daughter with words and actions. Lord, act quickly. If this daughter needs to be removed from this mother, bring her to a loving home. Help A. to stop being the abuser. Father we are trusting You to rescue and redeem this situation and bring this daughter to a place of safety and peace. We ask this of You, Father, in the name of Your Son, Jesus. So be it.

Hi Jesse, I appreciate the follow up. Very interesting topic to discuss and I think the most important thing to recognize is that the true believer will test their faith and stay in the word of God. They will have a conviction if the are drawing back from God because that's the Holy Spirit working in them. Great explanation and thanks for clarifying. It's refreshing to have a conversation with a fellow believer who is not just trying to win a debate. I think as Christians we need to be united in our condition and faith in Christ if we are truly going to be the light of the world and lead the lost to Christ.

Since we are on the topic, I'd love if you can offer some insight on Romans 2: 6-8. That verse also appears to lead the reader to conclude eternal life can be lost. Your insight on this is greatly appreciated!

Dear Amy, I will pray for your fiance's ankle and for your job.

Dear Heavenly Father, bring healing to this ankle today. Heal all of the bones, ligaments, and tissues. We ask this of You in the name of Your Son, Jesus. So be it.

Dear Heavenly Father, we ask You to provide the job for Amy that will be best for her to have at this time. Direct her to the right job to apply for or else have her be hired back at her previous job. Bring this about soon, Father. We ask this of You in the name of Your Son, Jesus. So be it.

Dear Amy, I will pray for this uncle. Dear heavenly Father, we ask that you heal this uncle today in the name of Jesus, Your Son, So be it.

Amy I will for this cousin.

Dear heavenly Father, Please quickly help this cousin to recover from this cracked skull today.

Bring swift healing to him. Guide the doctors' minds and hands as they treat him, along with all of the staff that care for him in this trauma. We ask this of You, Father, in the name of Your Son, Jesus. So be it.

Yes, that is what I believe.

Please God, help Amy in her employment situation and your healing hand be on her fianc ankle. I pray both of them have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Please Holy Spirit enriched both of them with Your spiritual gifts and guidance I ask in Jesus Christ name!!

Please consider reflecting on Isaiah 41:10, Psalms 40, Proverbs 3:5-6, James 1:2-4.

Erich,

I'm happy to discuss Colossians 1:23. It says "if you continue," and it sounds like its conditional. You can be reconciled, have the promise of this position before God in His representation of you, but if you don't continue.

This is the construction in Greek that's called the first class condition assumed to be true. He's not saying if you continue on. He's saying since you are continuing in the faith, and listen to this: having been grounded and settled, and not being moved away.

There's a lot there, but basically having been grounded, every Christian that receives Christ has been grounded, and they continue on because of that. They are settled in Christ. They have received Christ. And then we have a Present Participle in the Greek text: "And are not continually being in the promise of being moved away."

So it's not just a one-time condition where somebody says "I moved away from Christ and I lost all my salvation." There are people who are in the process of continually being removed from Christ. They are not true believers. They do not continue.

In fact, Jesus in John 8:30-31 tells us that to those Jews who have believed in Him, He says my genuine disciples continue in my word.

That's one of the characteristics of a believer. Some people you have to nag to stay in the word. If a believer, somebody who is born of the Spirit of God, if he or she tried to get away from the word, they are miserable.

And so with a genuine believer, Jesus says that they will continue in my word. If you try to stop, the Lord will convict you and deal with you. That's a characteristics of a true believer.

We don't get this from our English text because English is such a general language. But the Greek text reads, "Since (you are) continuing in the faith, having already been grounded and settled, and (you are) not being moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

1 Corinthians 11 is the eleventh chapter of the First Epistle to the Corinthians in the New Testament of the Christian Bible.

It was authored by Paul the Apostle and Sosthenes in Ephesus. In this chapter, Paul writes on the conduct of Christians while worshiping together.

please pray for my fiances ankle to be healed in jesus name

please pray that God would help me find a job that is " The job" I just got laid off

please pray for my fiances uncle to be healed in Jesus' name

please pray for my fiances cousin Matt he fell back and cracked his skull this is all I know please pray for complete healing for him

Yes question, can devil speak in an audible voice?

Hebrews 12:29

For our God is a consuming fire.

Deuteronomy 4:24

For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Remember the movie 10 commandments? Moses saw the burning bush, which was not consumed?

Part 2.

Lets go to Judas now. (how I understand it...)

When Jesus called Judas he was one of the best 12 of His disciples chosen to be one of His closest disciples. He didn't choose him to become a betrayer, although He knew that, but He chose him to be one of the best. If we claim that Jesus chose him to become a betrayer, then He obviously set him a trap that Judas would never be able to escape from. How is that ever possible? Later on Judas walked another way, the way of iniquity. That, according to my opinion, is a lesson for us. If we are not careful and let satan work in us, we may follow another way, the way of eternal darkness, just like Judas did. Salvation can be lost, it is not secured untill we leave this life.

Remember Demas who abandoned Paul? 2 Timothy 4:10 "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica;" What happened to him? Paul was very strict in choosing his accompanions, once he sent away Mark for not following him and Barnabas in their journey to Cyprus. Demas was one of his best mates. But at the end he abandoned him because he loved the world. Was he saved? If he didn't repent and go return to his intial way, well he wasn't.

Anyway thanks for listening to my very long posts.

GBU

Part 1.

DearSpencer, lets talk about God's promises to Abraham.

Lets go to Genesis. The verses that describe God's promises to Abraham are the following:

1. Genesis 12:1-3,

2. Genesis 12:7,

3. Genesis 13:14-17,

4. Genesis 15:5-7

5. Genesis 15:13-15,

6. Genesis 15:18-21,

7. Genesis 17:4-10,

8. Genesis 21:17-18

Now in most of them God gives His promises to Abraham and his seed. Who is this seed. the obvious answer is that it is his biological descedants. Paul in his epistle to Galatians 3:16 disagrees, he says "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.". So we can agree that all the promises given to Abraham and his seed pass to Jesus and His children, Which are they? The 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and the 8th. Only one is left the first. You will argue that although Paul atributes those verses to Christ it is obvious that they are for Israel as well, the land covenant as you call it. You are right about that. But that promise that Cannan will be given to Israel by God wasn't fulfiled when Joshua and his descendants conquered that land? Yes it was. So what other promise/covenant given to Abraham is left to be fulfiled? I cannot see any other, correct me if I am wrong. GBU

Jesse, it appears that you are mistaken in your response. You are right in that we are saved based on what Christ has done on the cross for us, and all humanity. However, just as it is of our free choice to accept this gift of salvation by faith it is also our free will to remain in Christ. He will not force us to remain in Him, which is precisely why Jude says for us to keep ourselves in the love of Christ. In addition to that, the NT is filled with conditions for salvation and God is not breaking any promises to exclude anyone from Heaven who walks away from His Son. The Bible is filing with promises of hope, but, never guarantees salvation based on a one ti.e profession. That's why Peter says to give all diligence to make our calling and election sur.... Our calling, as in saved believers.

Torrie gbu but Jesus taught contrary to tithes...saying to count the cost its gonna cost ya everything...If aman forsake not all that he has he cannot be my disciple...Paul said i have suffered the loss of all things and count them but dung that i might win Christ and be found in him etc...This new covenant is gona cost ya everything...The early CHURCH had to sell everything they had and share it with everybody and anybody ...Jesus taught them to not worry about tomorrow but seek ye the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you...We even have to offer our bodies as a living sacrifice to his Glory his kingdom etc...Thats y Jesus told them to count the cost before you follow me...Its gonna cost ya everything ya got...no more tithes...but everything ya got including your life...Go and sell everything you have and give it to the poor then come and follow me...Its gonna cost ya everything...ya even have leave your wife and children...If any man love wife or children more them me he is not worthy of me and whosoever puts his hands to the plow and looks back is not worthy of me...YA STILL WANNA FOLLOW Christ Jesus....If he calls, you will not mind to lose everything for him...There is a kingdom to be had

...k

....But Jesus said if he feeds the birds of the air he will surely feed you