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Just looking forward to Isaiah Ch 65 :) Thy Kingdom Come .

Concluding remarks on necessity of Satan

Armageddon; and the ultimate end of Satan at the end of the Millennial reign of Christ is the ultimate conclusion of God's plan in using the enemy of our soul to purge the world of rebels and to end the power of death completely with a new heaven and earth (see 1 Cor. 15:26; Revelation 21 and 22).

Eternal punishment fits the crime so we can understand as wicked as things have been throughout human history it has stored up wrath for Satan as well as the unregenerate ( Romans 2:5 and subsequent verses in that chapter). The philosophy of "do as thou wilt" that is prominent among self proclaimed Satanists is contrasted with a sacrificial love that only Christ can offer. Everything seems backwards but the Lord has the master plan no matter how clever men and their devices are to destroy Christ (see Psalm 5:10; and read Psalm 2). Unregenerate man simply cannot understand how being a servant or slave of Christ brings men to freedom and how the opposite appeals to the flesh leave one in bondage in the end. They think we can somehow go back to Eden (as seen in the humanistic music of the 60's); but we see the result of this "free love" in the 70's and beyond with the rapid decay of traditional families in regard to sustainability of marriages and the removal of God's design for a family and harmonious home life. Whether Satan himself ever realized how wicked he would become is debateable; it would appear that Antichrist himself and or other rulers may not have realized this in verses such as Isaiah 10:7. The enemy always wants to sugarcoat the extreme jeopardy of man remaining in a sinful state by distracting him with grand delusions that lead nowhere but to destruction.

We see in Psalm 23:5 a verse on eating in the presence of enemies which indeed we will do during the Millennium when some inevitably will rebel at the end and insanely under Satan attempt one final time to destroy God and His people leading to failure.

Hello momsage,

What is vapor? I meant in the sense James asks,"Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away."(Jas.4:14) As for NKJB It is simply that I cut and pasted from a Bible Dictionary that I have been compiling. I have helped my self with verses, great many NIV NKJB and several others. I would rather go by the spirit of the sense than King's James version save me. Find you fault with it? I did not mean to offend anyone. God forbid!

Hi Jema: I think it was sweet of you to ask God to protect this beautiful birds. I don't think man should mess with God's creation as in stopping a natural predator from catching and eating it's prey, but dogs don't kill swan for food they do it for fun so I think God was glad to keep them safe. God bless :)

The necessity of Satan (part four)

Matthew 13:24-43 discusses the parable of the wheat and the tares; ending with a private discussion with the Disciples. This necessity of such a condition WITHIN the professing church also must exist along with the general contrast between believers and unbelievers. Therefore; in general we must not only have confession but POSSESSION of the Holy Spirit in order to have genuine salvation (see Ezekiel 36:26). This principle in scripture cannot be overemphasized; if Christ found His greatest resistance from the "religious" leaders among the Jews of that day; we can be certain much of our opposition will come from those calling themselves Christians. Surely judgment begins at the house of God ( 1 Peter 4:17).

If we are honest with history there are errors that can be found with fallible human beings even in the best denominations (sometimes despite truthful doctrines). I call Satan the "equal opportunity destroyer" because he doesn't discriminate as to what means of deception he uses and hence it fits his character hating everyone created in the image of God. He only hates the most those who are a threat to his kingdom; those who can see past the veil over all mankind ( 2 Cor. 4:3-6). His methods are myriad-mind control; fear; temptations; bondage; etc. People are used according to his purpose and we should be aware that his web is everywhere in this current world system. Things can and must get worse; worse than in all human history as Jesus promised for the end times to come for God's plans to come to fruition ( Matt. 24:21). Of course the world wants to hear that peace is coming "peace; peace when there is no peace." ( Jeremiah 6:14). There is no peace; however for the wicked as God states in Isaiah 48:22 and other places in that book and the rest of scripture as well.

Incredibly the world will fall for "the lie" ( 2 Thess. 2:9-12). Whatever utopia is offered (AI or otherwise) God will use to purge the dross

Hello Bennymkje: I have a question for you. Why did you quote the NKJB instead of the KJB? The NKJB uses the word vapor. the KJB uses vanity:

AMERICIAN HERTIGAGE DICTIONARY

VANITY:

Excessive pride in one's appearance or accomplishments; conceit. synonym: conceit.

Something about which one is vain or conceited.

Worthlessness, pointlessness, or futility.

VAPOR:

To engage in idle, boastful talk.

These words are not interchangeable other then diluting the meaning of vanity to just a simply way of speaking with pride. Obviously the true scripture is wise in using vanity for it's meaning.

I thought this was a KJB discussion group only? Why would you chose to use a false doctrine translation of God's Word even if a verse happens to quote the same way, which this one doesn't, it's still a worldly version written by men?

God Bless :)

The necessity of Satan (part 3)

I already touched on man and some logic as to why God allowed for his fall. His foreknowledge; of course already planned for this with the redemption and atonement the Son of God was to fulfill at the set time here on earth.

One concept that must be considered in depth is that we need to be crucified with Christ in order to live ( Galatians 2:20). Similar doctrines are mentioned with verses such as Matthew 16:25-26 where Christ states that we are to lose our lives to gain eternal life as losing our SOUL is far worse. Christ came to bring life in reverse order to where it was lost; restoring the spiritual aspect first then later at the Rapture and Resurrection of the just PHYSICAL restoration. Again that illustrates that our spiritual state is at primary importance as our spirit lives on forever in whatever STATE it is at death.

The enemy is a master player and manipulator; going from persecution to self "affirmation" in order to decieve the masses. The lie of course remains the same; he promises life and freedom while stealing; killing and destroying the soul of an individual.

Considering my initial posting on this subject as to the vast superiority in strength of Satan over us (apart from Christ) I will continue to expound on what it means to have such resistance. Rewards come from suffering; we in a sense bring fullness to the Son of God Himself who will eventually rule and reign with us as kings and priests ( Rev. 5:10). Again; concepts such as losing our life to gain it is foreign to the flesh. God uses the enemies of our soul to buffet us and test our faithfulness. Those who don't really care about their spiritual "experience" as to its source can and inevitably WILL fall. When we see such verses as Revelation 13:8 we know that ALL unregenerate ultimately WILL worship the Antichrist beast. We realize that the difference between holy angels and fallen ones is if the Spirit is directing it or Satan.

Re.13:1 "The beast"

""These six things doth theLordhate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:/A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,/An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,/A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." (Pr.6:16-19). Each characteristic is an abomination so when he becomes the champion of the Christian groups be it Evangelical or Baptist or any other, one begins to understand the depths of the apostate church covers. Never mind the Lord God is in control. The Beast has seven heads so whichever the wind turns he is up to do the bidding of Satan. His 10 horns indicate his ability to disregard the law of the land. But his ten crowns tell that he is already judged.

"And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."(v.2)

Wasn't sure if your health issue commentary was directed to me but I will keep you in prayer. Hope others will also lift you up in that regard. Glad you got your heat back. Thankfully we haven't lost power here lately more than a few minutes. A bit concerning we may get some ice this week as it warms up.

As always your analysis is thorough; detailed and pertinent. Much better than mine; no doubt as you have already drawn the conclusions that I am inferring. My approach I suppose tends to start with a general premise then focus in on the issue and such before coming to the resolution and conclusion. There is no doubt that many and most will not go to the meat of the word or spend much time in meditation on the Word; however. I am trying to balance doctrine with practical experience; emphasizing knowing Christ rather than a lot about Him.

What is difficult is explaining the spiritual realm as my discernment has shown me in light of scripture. I see many testimonies which are pertinent as to what is behind the scenes when a person comes out of the occult; but often are lacking in basic concepts of sin and repentance which are needed to be saved and the understanding that it is our sin that allows Satan to have legal permission to torment us much of the time. The other extreme is those who seem to have no concept of any spiritual struggle in their lives but are steeped in doctrine (usually correct as I wouldn't waste time in a congregation where false doctrines are espoused). An imbalance also often exists as to certain giftings; often emphasizing teaching gifts (which elders should have) at the expense of concepts such as spiritual warfare in conservative churches; with the opposite being true of charismatic ones (where doctrine too often is either weak or caves in to whatever emotional response is desired; or spiritual manifestations without DISCERNMENT as to what spirit (God or Satan) is behind the manifestations.

Thanks for prayer.

Part two: The necessity of Satan in God's Master Plan

We often think of how messed up things are since the time of the fall of man; but don't consider the beginning when "all the sons of God sang for joy" and the reason Lucifer himself was created and ultimately fell. One thing common to Adam and Eve as well as Lucifer is that although they were created perfectly in right standing with God and without sin they had the POTENTIAL to fail.

That is interesting to consider since we were created eternal beings; in regard to the Tree of Life for instance which would have placed us in a situation where we would never die physically but also could disregard anything better. In His Providence the Lord allowed Lucifer to fall and didn't have a remedy for him as he did for man as we see the laments in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. This didn't mean there wasn't some sadness as the dirge in these verses indicates when it describes how far he fell and his final end.

Again looking at Adam and Eve if they could live forever physically then in some sense death would never take them out or perhaps lead them to hell; at the very least they would live on earth until the judgment and could very easily decide it is worth living in sin with such a delay in final judgment (or the first death as opposed to the second death currently for the wicked who must die physically). It also seems that the tree of life bringing healing to the nations is designed for an eternal glorified body so not suitable for fallen man (that ostensively could get a free pass from eternal punishment as well). In any case Christ offers something better; death came upon all so that eternal life could be so much better spiritually as well as with a glorified body suitable for heaven. In the battles of life we can be united with the victor and winner of the war (Christ); or continue to be associated with the usurper (Satan) who has temporary leadership on earth. Without struggle there would be no reward.

Re.13:1 "The beast" (1 of 2)

"And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."

In this context we need keep in mind where the Lord God has his throne set up. He is seated over the floods. So the beast the epitome of blasphemy does not represent all nations. It is a wicked and tumultuous sea nevertheless. (Is.55:20) What are the wicked all worked up. In Ps.59 we have some clues. They are ungodly to be called heathen because they hold truth in unrighteousness. They are workers of iniquity. the workers of iniquity, and save me from bloody men.The Psalmist prays, "And save me from bloody men./For, lo, they lie in wait for my soul: the mighty are gathered against me; not for my transgression, nor for my sin, O Lord."(Ps.59:2-3) Obviously culture wars are not personal but demonizing man created in 'our image" because of color or their creed. They make a noise like a dog while they take out torchligh parade. "Behold, they belch out with their mouth: swords are in their lips: for who, say they, doth hear?/But thou, O Lord, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision."(59:5-8) The Bible is not talking about past or future but what is in the divine Will of the Father, which is in the now. "He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision./ Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure." The Lord knows what is their worth, so low that God has them is utter contempt. Satan has found the son of perdition to further his agenda. It is thus the beast makes his entry into the world stage.

He has seven heads signifying seven abominations rule the roost where each is inimical to the holiness of God. ""These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him" (Pr.6:16-19)

His ten crowns tell that he is already judged.

lord God thank you for a new Year ,dear God i need your help,im at the deportation comp in Germany,please i need your help in the name of JESUS.......amen

Im at the deportation comp now, lord god i need your help.........amen

Dear David,hi brother ,i made sure to pray for you specifically.And your daughter Jessica.Lord bless you my Brother

Good Morning Richard,

I agree that we are to be careful of what we say to Satan or any evil spirit. We are to exalt Jesus before them and resist these evil beings with faith in Jesus and confidence in our salvation. We are to know Scripture and quoting it out loud is our weapon to oppose evil beings just as Jesus did. We are to pray to the Father in times of trouble, focusing on communicating with Him and not so much with the evil one. We should also accept that some sufferings are for a purpose that God wishes to accomplish in us, so we can ask Him to help us be humble and willing to accept His will for us even when it is painful or wrought with difficulties.

The evil one is a predator who is vastly stronger than us. But we can remember that Jesus has overcome the world and the devil. We can believe what Jesus said that He who is in us is greater that He that is in the world. Not only does this tell us that God is in us fighting for us, but also that since we have God in us, the evil one has NO PLACE within us. We are cleansed and filled with the Holy Spirit. He leaves no place for the evil one. Thankfully!

Good morning,

It was very cold here last week 9in the 20's and teens) and there was snow in many places. We just had about an inch so driving was ok in our city. On the coldest day and night we lost power for a few hours and when it came back on our furnace was not working. It was last Sunday and being holiday weekend, no one could come to fix it. We had one cold night! But the repairman came the next day. It was a simple fix. I am thankful for that.

40 years ago I worked in a restaurant that was a "soup and sandwich shop", I made the soups for each day. So, I learned a good skill in that way. Soup making has become so sophisticated since then. It used to be that people made soups out of what was leftover and needed to be eaten up. Now many soups have specialty items in them and such which increases the cost. I try to keep it simple so I don't have to buy something I will only use once.

Going to have a massage this morning. This should help with the pain I feel in my shoulders from lack of cartilage. I cannot get another steroid shot in them until March and the one I had in November is on the decline. Please pray for this aspects for me.

Tomorrow I will have an ultrasound done on a lump on my thyroid that was discovered a few years ago. Time for a recheck. Please pray that this lump is benign.

And my blood labs came back and my white blood count is in well into the high range but I am not ill. 3 of the 5 types of white blood cells are high. So, maybe some inflammation somewhere in my body. Will go to the rheumatologist in about a week on that issue. So please pray for this that is not a blood disorder or bone marrow disorder, which is a possibility. But it may just be due to arthritis and inflammation I have from Behcet's syndrome I have.

I appreciate conversing with you. I love the discussions on the Bible. And I also like conversations like these that help us get to know each other better. Blessings to you.

Satan and God's master plan

Much can be said about today's music and entertainment industry as to how they mock God. In all of this we can tend to ignore the passage in Jude 1:9 where slander against Satan himself by Michael the Archangel was not proclaimed; there was an appeal to the Lord to rebuke him. If that is the case for an Archangel surely it should be the case for us. Yet many wish to mock Satan as well to their own detriment.

This statement is by no means; of course to suggest that we should worship the Devil. We simply cannot fight against an enemy who is vastly superior to us any other way; and the verse Luke 14:31 demonstrates this principle fighting against an army of superior manpower. This is why deliverance ministers that implore a demon to "go to hell" are clearly unscriptural (or else if true by now there wouldn't be any left to possess and oppress men). Satan is not ruling in hell; or in hell currently as that is the place where he will suffer eternally himself. God has; however given him a sort of usurper role at present where he is given an army of principalities and powers to rule over regions of the earth as many verses in Daniel indicate. Demons are also under his rule; likely disembodied spirits from the offspring of Nephilim it would seem. Jesus and the prophets never went after these principalities ruling over nations; but cast out devils living inside individuals. Again Daniel shows how in Daniel 10:13 Micheal fought against a principality for 21 days before his prayers could be answered. We don't often think of that being an issue with prayers being answered but should consider such things.

From the outset let me say that no amount of dissertation can help answer all of the questions we as mere mortals can ask regarding the state of suffering we must endure in a fallen world or fully comprehend the reasons God allowed it in His sovereignty and Master plan. The sufferings of Christ are the prime example.

Hebrews 11:1 states: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." In my last post I discussed the concept of repentance and that it isn't something we merely learn by our own wisdom or intuition but that it is a gift from God as many scriptures state. 2 Timothy 2:25 as well as scriptures in Acts; 2 Peter and Romans show how repentance is granted or given by the Lord. As stated in my earlier comments no contrition on our part is able to save us. This is not to say; however that the admonition in Romans 6:1-2 isn't pertinent; we shouldn't seek to sin more for more grace. Our testimony should come from a genuine admission of realization of our state before salvation. We realize that we are no better than a murderer; adulterer or any other sinner that is repugnant to society at large. Of course our NATURE has to be understood; or else we are as Judas Iscariot did just sorry for our actions rather than realizing the cause is a rotten heart needing to die to itself and be rebirthed. Peter had a downfall and Thomas doubted but they recognized the Lord when He made Himself known to them.

My earlier statements should by no means detract from the importance of emulating external actions which are outflows of GOOD FRUIT in our lives. 1 Corinthians 11:1 (easy to memorize with this numbering) gives Paul's exhortation to imitate him as he imitates Christ. Demonstrations of such behaviors are much like a parent to a child in this case. How we need such examples in church leadership today! How many of these mega pastors live even close to Paul who would work for himself so as not to burden the churches and suffer as he did with deprivation and imprisonment for the cause of Christ?

We are not to idolize people but those of Godly character should motivate us; and also bring the fear of the Lord and His holiness to unbelievers as Paul did with the prison guard ( Acts 16:30-33). Our lifestyles must back up our words.

This life, which had been the tomb of his virtue and of his honour, is but a walking shadow; a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

(MacBeth; William Shakesphere 5th Act).

This quote is in the play regards the death of MacBeth's wife. There are shades of Ecclesiastes here of vanity and life passing as a vapor; but also the idea of the second part of this verse in 2 Corinthians 7:10...

"For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death." This verse shows the futility of those who; like Judas Iscariot regret the consequences of their sin; whether on themselves ultimately or how it affects others (in his case leading to suicide). We can see the same sort of mindset with Pilate who in John 19:11 was told that others had greater sin but nonetheless his attempts to release him were not out of reverence for His holiness but attempts to quell extremes of rebellion from both the Jews and the Romans in making a wrong decision. Ultimately; both these cases show cowardice which is one reason people will go to hell according to Revelation 21:8.

We shouldn't assume that emotion shouldn't accompany true repentence leading to salvation but that it is the Spirit which takes over and the emotions are part of a cleansing process. When given a new heart we are transformed from the inside out and can't help but cry out to God; as Isaiah did "woe is me" ( Isaiah 6:5). This shows the humble and contrite spirit David describes in Psalm 51 and elsewhere. Penitence from any other method assuming some goodness we have in ourselves apart from Christ is meaningless. This is what makes those from a Christian family background have to test themselves to see if they are in the faith ( 2 Cor. 13:5). We can't change our hearts from mere assent of doctrinal statements or scripture. More to come.

thank you and God bless you brother , prayers for you as well

please remember my daughter Jessica and her family in your prayers today please remember me

"Directions"

Directions, Cardinal

Omnipresent God has no use for cardinal directions, as we know the term. However the Spirit in order to present the will of the Father and how the Son shall fulfill them gives us certain clues. Firstly he informs us the authority of God having a seat. It is the throne of God. He is enthroned over many waters, "The Lord sitteth upon the flood" (Ps29:3,10).

God sends a river and it waters the Garden, which is set on the east of Eden. Here we have two kingdoms of the Father and of the Son, which represents a garden, which is set as a snapshot of the worlds he framed by the word of God. It is the world of the Spirit as God is a Spirit. It is in harmony with the reconstituted Time. This being the case what do we mean by 'the east'?

As the God document the Spirit is delineating a holy family representing the heirs of promise in his Son. (Ep.1:3-4). After the fall he is sent out from the garden. "Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken./ So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the Garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." (Ge.3:23-24)

Noah's descendants in their dispersion were set on the east side. (Ge.11:2-3).In all these there is only one direction for the fallen man, which is in terms of the throne of God, that is in the Son. The east is a remainder of salvation.

Promotion comes neither from the east or the west. (Ps.75:6-7) Redemption of saints come from where the carcase is. "As the lightening comes out of the east, and shines even out to the west" indicate cardinal directions as we understand the term.

"Diadem"

It signifies a badge of honor and in keeping with the majesty of the King of kings, the Lord of lords Jesus Christ in the vision of John appears, His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.(Re.19:12)

On the other hand the devil has his diadem (* seven crown as consistent with celestial creature-Re.12:3) and the beast out of the sea, whose authority comes from him similarly has full array of his office: 'it had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name."(Re.13:1) Number 10 signifies judgement. He is marked for destruction.

*These crown and seven heads are abominations. "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:/ A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,/ An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,/ A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." (Pr.6:16-19)

Narcissistic personality disorder of Lucifer says "I will" and how often we find pride in persons who are called to set an example and run the governments. Pride never comes alone. His false narrative makes him a false witness. As with lying tongues his hands are quick to tear down all opposition; No wonder the beast is called the son of perdition.

Thank you for a non-discussion comment. I really enjoyed reading it. It's sounds like you are quite the soupmaker. I like to make homemade chicken noodle soup but now-a-days it takes a lot out of me so I don't do it very often. Yes, we had some really bad weather here, a lot of sever cold, snow and ice. We didn't loose any utilities but we can't get groceries until the end of next week because, I guess, trucks aren't getting through. My town is little, less then 7,000 and in the south so people here aren't use to this kind of weather at all. My son and I have a freezer and cupboards full of food so, praise the Lord, we can do fine without groceries. We may need to share with our neighbor upstairs. Walmart didn't text us until tonight about our order, so we'll check with her tomorrow to see if she's OK. She's a sweet lady. She has a little toy poodle named Monkey. LOL You didn't say, did you have any trouble with the weather? God Bless :)

Hi Jema,

Thanks for reaching out to Momsage. Perhaps you have read her reply to me about taking a break from here for awhile. We can pray for her to not be gone too long.

Bibleman72

Good to hear from you once again. I will certainly be praying for you and your Mom, Paula. We are here for you to pray for your needs and hers. May you be blessed each day that you have with her and may God give you wisdom in all you do for her and all your decisions concerning her. May you be strengthened and encouraged, filled with joy and compassion in this situation that is so very difficult.

Momsage, I will relay your request to Jema. she may have already read it though.

I understand that you are taking a break. Sometimes that is a good and I trust that the Holy Spirit will lead you in the best way.

Been in a soup making mode for the past few weeks. Made a curry soup today with sweet potatoes, parsnips, carrots, leeks, onions, fennel, coconut milk. It is tasty. Such a blessing to be able to make good food. I portion it out into single serve bowls and freeze it. I have 3 types in the freezer now. I bring them over to people who do not cook much for themselves. I will be bringing my 85 year old mother-in-law now that I have three kinds. She always love to get my soups. It is hard to make just a "little bit" of soup so I always end up with a pot.

It is a good diversion from the mess of the home due to the pipe leak a few weeks ago. We have all the new materials picked out and the contractor. So we will wait for the materials to arrive and the workers to be available to get stated on this big job. Thankful that the insurance co. will be covering most of it and that we have some extra funds from my mom's inheritance to choose upgrades that are long overdue.

I hope the weather is good where you are. It has been pretty bad in so many places. So cold and snowy and icy. Keep praying for people to drive safely and have the power stay on for folks.

Don't be disappointed , God may have other plans for you , trust in Him to put you were He wants you to be , remember that He knows better than you do , trust Him always .

May God bless you and provide you with everything that you need .

"LORD, thou hast heard the desire of the humble: thou wilt prepare their heart, thou wilt cause thine ear to hear:" Psalms 10:17 KJV

Answer:

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10 KJV

You will life!

The LORD shall and if you have faith you will hear according to scripture Psalms 10:17