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BECAUSE IT SAYS: the Firstborn OF Pharaoh

Exodus 11:5 View whole chapter

And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.

Exodus 12:29 View whole chapter

And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

Exodus 13:15 View whole chapter

And it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go, that the LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast: therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all that openeth the matrix, being males; but all the firstborn of my children I redeem.

Numbers 3:13 View whole chapter

Because all the firstborn are mine; for on the day that I smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt I hallowed unto me all the firstborn in Israel, both man and beast: mine shall they be: I am the LORD.

Charmaine,

The bible does not give us a specific time of Satan's original fall. I believe that Revelation Chapter 12 is speaking of a future event that will take place. Satan has already fallen, but right now, he still has access to the throne of God. In Revelation 12:7, we see Michael the archangel battling Satan in the spirit realm. And in Revelation 12:8, Michael the archangel wins out, and Satan gets "the boot!"

Revelation 12:9 tells us that he was cast out. And we know from Genesis Chapter 3 who he is. He is called the Devil. And the word Devil means slanderer. And Satan, HASATAN in Hebrew, it means adversary. It's also used for the prosecutor in a courtroom.

That's why in Matthew Chapter 16, the Lord said to Peter "Get behind me Satan." He wasn't calling Peter Satan. He was calling him His adversary, the one who was opposing Him, HASATAN.

And so, the old serpent, called the Devil, he's the slanderer. And Satan, the adversary, which deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This is the final stage, where Satan loses his position before God. Right now, Satan stands before the throne of God accusing the brethren day and night. But then we see in Revelation Chapter 12 that Satan will no longer have access to heaven. He will be cast out onto the earth, and he will be in enraged. I guess by this, we can say, "All Hell is going to break loose on this earth!"

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Mishael

This is the short version. Ishmael was the child of Hagar the maid; and of Abraham.

God made a COVENANT with Abraham and Sarah, a year before she was even pregnant.

Ishmael was not the Perfect Will of God. He was born due to the Permissive Will of God. He allowed it. He even blessed Ishmael later with power, property, renown children. BUT HE WAS NOT part of the Land Covenant.

The land dimensions of Israel are fixed. No one has Gods permission to change it. He ratified it with Abraham and Sarah's seed. In their ancestors, Jacobs name was changed to ISRAEL.

Jesus's Geneology comes through Abraham and Sarah.

IT IS ALL RECORDED IN THE BIBLE and Hebrew records. It's a DEED, if you will.

If you stand back and look at a map of Israel's Land versus land that was given to Ishmael and his descendants: the comparison is almost ridiculous. Israel is not even 10 miles wide. A distance that can be walked every day; or jogged.

Israel's boundaries are chipped away constantly. God blessed Hagar and Ishmael, and all of their descendants. But it was never enough. So all of humanity is rushing towards the Last Great War: Armageddon. To be fought in the Valley of Megiddo.

Any peoples that launch a nuclear weapon at Jerusalem will be witness to the presence and power of Gods intervention. He sees it all. And He will intervene. GOD is not dead. He is the first party of the Abrahamic Covenant made way back in the Book of Genesis; which describes the "Cutting of the Covenant" completely. It is still IN FORCE, as far as God is concerned.

If Russia tries to challenge the Covenant; their nation will cease to exist. They are not the lineage of Ishmael. They're not Jewish. They have no part in the COVENANT.

Christ Followers are to pray for the Peace of Jerusalem. It wasn't a suggestion.

Book of Daniel, Matthew 24, Luke 21.

Ezekiel. Nelson Walters on YouTube

Mishael

Unfortunately that applies to the deceived as well .

They are very hard for even God to reach because they are sure they got it right . Or are too proud or what ever , the list is long on reasons for being deceived.

The spirit of anti christ is prevalent and few even know it exists.

The cannot understand that Jesus is the Son of God .

Oh no he got to be more or less than that . Because they just don't get it . Billy Graham was well deceived did you know that ? I doubt you did or have the understanding to see it .

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Paul,

I do not know of verse in Psalms that says that, but in 1 Corinthians 9:16-18, the apostle Paul touches on this. In Verse 17, he says, "For if I do this thing willingly, (that is, voluntarily), I have (Present Tense), a reward:

There are many pastors and ministers that would probably disagree with this, but if they voluntarily and willingly wanted to be in ministry, and they get a paycheck for it, that would be their reward!

In Verse 18, he says what is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, so that I abuse not my authority in the gospel.

There are many people in the ministry that need to be challenged, especially those on the television that continuously say we need more money. I am often tempted to call in and tell these ministers to go out and get a job. Most of these ministers are pulling in a minimum $150,000 dollars a year, some much more, and their ministry is running out of money?

Well, I say go get a job! If you do that, your ministry saves $150,000, and you just continue to preach the gospel. If you're running out of money, go and sell one of your multi-million dollar homes or your private jet and use that money where it needs to be used, not on yourself.

But you know, that doesn't go over too well with these ministers! I have to wonder what their response would be if you were to ask them to preach the gospel free of charge, as Paul did.

I also forgot to mention the obvious fact that Jesus SAYS that it is Judas who is a devil in John 6:71,

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

You must have your name recorded in the Lambs Book of Life. Period. Revelation 22.

Nobody likes half-way commitments. Do you?

What scripture verses use the wisdom topics?

That's right brother Jesse

The Greek text says " born from above", that is from God's Spirit .

What version of the K J V based on, is it the 1769 version or earlier ?

Monica,

These two witnesses will be testifying in the streets of Jerusalem for the first 3-1/2 years. There will be two witnesses, 144,000 Jews, and an angel flying around in mid-heaven for 3-1/2 years warning people of what is to come in the last 3-1/2, known as the Great Tribulation. So once the church is removed from the earth, God is going to use these two witnesses, the 144,000 Jews, and an angel flying non-stop for 3-1/2 years to reach the entire world (those who are left behind), warning them not to receive the mark, and preaching the message of salvation to those who are left on this earth.

I've never heard a comment quite like that one, Linda. Interesting...but I must differ.

It's very true that Jesus spoke to Peter in that very straight way, for at that one particular moment, Peter became a 'satan', an adversary, attempting to block Jesus from His necessary sufferings on our behalf.

However, we must look at ALL Scripture. Jesus restored Peter ( John 21); Peter had a very productive ministry, which we to this day are benefiting from. Praise the Lord. NO devil, no, not satan himself, is restored! He is forever cut off and lost.

By the FRUITS we know people. The Pharisees were told by Christ that they were of their father, the devil, because they were doing his works, his lusts!!

Peter, though he failed miserably out of human infirmity, he was never a devil. He sealed his testimony with his own blood.

Judas, on the other hand, had satan enter him, John 13:27, and fully possessed him; Judas betrayed Christ to death...thus, in both his lying and murdering, these wicked fruits - showed that he was a devil, and perished like one, in self-murder.

There is a vast distinction between Peter's character and Judas's, and both show from where they were 'born' from; Peter was truly born from above; Judas was of his father the devil.

That already happened. If it had not...then why was Satan in the garden already when Adam and Eve were created? If Lucifer (who became Satan) had not been cast out, there likely would have been no curse of sin on Earth. But Lucifer was cast out and his angels. There are a few verses in the O.T. but these ones in Isaiah 14 paint a fairly clear picture:

Isaiah 14:12-15

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."

I haven't studied this in depth, and in fact, have found no comments on it up till now. However, there are two things we can consider.

1. The secret things belong to the Lord. Only the things revealed belong to us and our children, Deut. 29:29. While there is much excellence in studying the Scripture, and we should do so diligently, there are some things that God has kept for Himself. He is a Sovereign Agent, needs no 'permission or approval' by us for what He does, and does not have to give answer to us for His dispensations. It is for us to humbly accept what He does by faith, acknowledging His absolute wisdom and righteousness in all of His proceedings, and thus, there must be a good reason for the course He takes in all situations. It is one thing to honestly search the Scriptures; it is quite another thing to have ungodly curiosity, as Uzziah did, and 'invade', or attempt to invade - what God keeps from us. It is far wiser to admit ' we don't know everything and can't explain everything', rather than to formulate some answer because we're too proud to admit that we cannot know everything about the Almighty. :)

2. The other possibility is that the firstborn of Pharaoh's siblings may have died or been killed, and Pharoah was next in line. We hear, for example, how Prince William is 'second in line' to Prince Charles. There is that principle of 'succession'. Another possibility would be that the firstborn was assassinated. It's a sad fact of history that there is much 'intrigue' in the governments of this world.

In any case, the Lord is righteous, and we will praise Him for His goodness and wisdom in all He does in heaven and in the earth, and in all the universe! Amen! Glory to God!

I'm not sure this is 100% the answer you're looking for so I'll open the floor to others to chime in. My understanding was Pharaoh was of a different generation than the first born slain during passover. However, Pharaoh's first-born was indeed slain. Here's the defining meaning from Websters 1828 Dictionary (the true Christian's dictionary):

FIRST'-BORN, adjective

1. First brought forth; first in the order of nativity; eldest; as the first-born son.

2. Most excellent; most distinguished or exalted. Christ is called the first-born of every creature. Colossians 1:1.

David Earl Taylor,

The answer to that would be no. Belief alone does not save a person. A person must act upon that belief and surrender their life to Christ. There has to be a Spiritual birth that takes place.

In John 3:3, Jesus tells Nicodemus that, "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Nicodemus was a Pharisee and they were the strictest of the religious sect of the Jews. They kept the law to the letter. However, that will not get them into heaven.

So Jesus tells Nicodemus, "Except a man, (a person), be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

The word "again" in the Greek text is literally the word above. It is not PALIN, which is the word for again. It is the word ANOTHEN, which means "from above." So He is saying that if a person is not born from above, he is not able to see the Kingdom of God. What a thing to say to the Jewish leader who just gave you a complement in Verse 2!

You see, the Lord sees right past that and gets right to the heart of the issue. And basically He's telling Nicodemus, you are a leader of the Jews and you are recognizing who I am, but let me tell you something. You are a leader of the Jews and you are lost. You are not going to heaven the way you are right now. Every person must experience a spiritual birth from heaven, that is, the source of it is from heaven, not from man, and not from man's belief. It's a spiritual birth!

So, to answer your question, "Can they still go to heaven on believing that Jesus died and rose again, even though they trusting what they can do also?" I would say that the finished work of Christ is sufficient, apart from trusting in what we can do also. We cannot add anything to what Jesus Christ did for us. A person must surrender their life to Christ. They must be born from above. Apart from that, no one will enter into heaven.

Galatians 2:16 -

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith

We cannot be saved BY the keeping of the law. Our obeying God's Word is the fruit of the indwelling of the Spirit BECAUSE we are saved. We must rest our whole foot of faith on Jesus, Who is the only One Who kept the entire law for our sake, that His righteousness might be imputed to us. Amen! Praise the Lord!

Blessings!

I believe this depends whether or not they truly receive the Grace of Jesus by Faith (Salvation). The moment Jesus Christ died on the Cross, He fulfilled the law and Grace by His Blood became the only means of Salvation. When I was catholic growing up I believed that Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the grave...but I wasn't saved. The catholic church set aside a myriad of works and I didn't even know the basic means of Salvation. If you know someone like this, share with them the GOOD news...we know longer have to live under the works of the law for Salvation:

Ephesians 2:8-10

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

"By Grace are ye saved through Faith and that not of yourselves" (works of the law or works by any other means of religion) and concluding "not of works, lest any man should boast."

Amen!

Could it be you're thinking of Matthew 10:8? "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give."

I checked in my Bible to see if there were any cross reference to a psalm, and there wasn't.

Hoping this helps!

Blessings!

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image"

("us" is plural. God is plural.)

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

"there are three"

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

"Word was God."

There is no denying this says and means the Word was God. Who is the Word? The rest of John 1 reveals who.

John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

Philippians 2:5-8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

"Christ Jesus...being in the form of God"

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

John 20:28

"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

1 John 2:22-24

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."

Sorry i offended you, it was not my aim to do so. Because you think in a certain way that doesn't mean that everybody else is reacting the same way. People are different with one another. Don't forget that satan uses any chance he can get to put his thoughts in one's mind and cause a damage.

Again sorry.

Yes that is right GiGi. The word catholic comes from the Greek word katholikos which means " the whole". That is universal. It has nothing to do with the RomanCatholic church (I have nothing against Catholics though I disagree with many of their teachings).

The Greek Orthodox Church uses the Nicene Creed which is a bit different from the one you mentioned in your post.

GBU

When will the 2 witness be there in the first half of the tribulation or in the last half of the tribulation. That must be n wonderfully experience for the Jewish people.

I am trying to find the Psalm verse to give the word for free and charge not.

In my experience, get him to read in the KJV about Trinity. He needs to believe the Bible, instead of his own beliefs.

Please God hear Sue and my request for son's spiritual health. Please I pray their hearts be open to recognize and receive the You Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior. Please Holy Spirit guide them to a place to receive the Gospel of Peace I pray in Jesus Christ name

Hey Jay,

The word creed comes from the Latin credo, "I believe." a set of beliefs of Christianity, and without believing these creeds salvation cannot be obtained. I have been told this in different denominations of churches I have gone to. "You cannot be a Christian unless you believe these creeds". Many Christian bible discussion web sites will not let you on unless you profess these creeds.

My understanding of scripture.

You must believe that God exists. Hebrews 11:6

You must believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.,18 6:40; 1 John 4:14-15, 5:5, 5:10

You must believe God gave His only Son for us to have eternal life John 3:16

You must believe Jesus came in the flesh 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7

You must believe that Jesus is the Christ 1 John 2:22

You must believe Jesus died for Your sins. 1 Corinthians 15:2-3

You must believe God raised Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9

You must believe we are saved by Jesus' life Romans 5:10

Being baptized in the name of Jesus. Acts 2:38 Acts 8:16

You must believe we are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus 1 Corinthians 6:11

You must believe we obtain salvation only in Christ Jesus. John 14:6 2 Acts 4:12 Timothy 2:10

Are there any scriptures saying you must believe in these creeds for salvation?

Are these creeds similar to what the sect of Pharisees tried to do in Acts 15? What did Peter say? Acts 15:7-11

God is not the author of confusion. 1 Corinthians 14:33

God bless,

RLW

I have wondered how believing in the "finished work" of Christ is a doctrine of the Bible. When Christ died and said "it is finished" he could have meant a lot of things (his life was ended, his suffering was over, the sacrifice for sin was done etc.), but the Bible doesn't teach us just to believe in the "finished work". Since we live in an entitlement society I fear that we use that phrase to apply to us that we no longer have to labor in his kindgom. I listed a few of the teachings and promises of the Bible that apply to our response to his death on cross. Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. We are justified by faith (a total belief in what God has said, commanded, done etc.). Hebrews 11 the faith chapter talks of faith having a response. James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Mat. 25 has several examples of people that were lost at the end of time because they didn't do God's work even though they had a certain knowledge of Him. Faith obviously has to precede anything we do, but if time allows us to labor God expects that of us. Let's all be "wise virgins".