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Thank You S, Spencer. Appreciated.

ELB

Ha ha, that's funny. I will try, but i do not know how much pain meds I'll need to take and I wouldn't to make a biggie of a typo-if you know what I mean. Thank You, Earl.

Thank u Alex N, this was something i think too! Its a lot of examples. And ppl are good to mix it up. This is a evidence that we are ailiens on earth. And this is not our home. We will look up to heaven, amen! There is my home evan here at my eartly home i stay with my body and my spirit is with God alreaddy! But my home is in heaven here, We know wrong or not. We are with Jesus in body soul and spirit friends. Love u all be happy God have not done this wrong at all. He Will Have The Glory. Thank You Jesus Christ. Thank You for this perfect thing You have done. No one will ever take us from You. You did all, glory too You!

What can you tell me about salvation?

Dear Richard.

I absolutely agree with you. Separation is not permited unless one goes with another woman/man. Matthew 5:31-32. But even if so remarriage is not permitted. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11.

Now the verse in 1 Corintians 7:15 . The original Greek text says word by word " if the unbeliever separates let him/her separate. The brother or sister is not enslaved INTO THESE". What this "into these" stand for. Why enslaved? Marriage is not slavory, it was blessed by God. The explanation given in my church is that it refers to sexual acts. So lets take it from the beggining." If the unbeliever wants to separate let him do that, there is no problem you not having sex, you are not enslaved to it" It is not the usual explanation but it fits with Matthew that forbids divorse no matter if man or woman are unbelievers or not, only for adultery is permitted. It also agrees to 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 that forbids remarriage.

GBU

Oh yes common sense is still around !

Dear Rick Colombe, this your angle sounds interesting. Old maps from Calvary shows us that the crosses stood on a hill,

Don,

What's most interesting here is Obadiah:10

When did Esau ever place a mortal wound on Jacob? The last time theses twins met up was in Genesis 33, and even though Jacob feared Esau would kill him, for theft of the birthright, they exchanged gifts, and parted ways.

Obadiah speaks of a future battle between these two boys, now grown up. The day of the Lord battle is the event they've been groomed for.

God will use Esau (Russia) to destroy Jacob (US, NATO, ISRAEL: The Babylonian system).

Proverbs 14:34 comes to mind in this chapter. Here we see the beginning of a process which God Himself had "set up" to accomplish His purposes. Mordecai supervised Esther; and told her NOT to reveal that she was a Jew. This affiliation with her people was to have enormous implications that can hardly be overstated; and she later had to be prodded to risk her own life and reveal these things once the plot of Haman was concocted and the King's edict rendered.

Titus 2:3-5 also is relevant here; as is 1 Peter 3:6 among other verses which show God's plan for women to be exalted.

The record of Mordecai of the attempted assault of the two chamberlains showed how the Jews were to be commended for helping with the security of the King; and this record would help the "humble to be exalted" as it were at a later date to vindicate Mordecai. (see ( Matthew 23:12). This attitude of service was repeated with Daniel in exile in Persia under Nebuchadnezzar; and Joseph in Egypt under the Pharaoh. We see a similar pattern as well with a crisis for the whole Jewish nation when the golden idol was set up; and the three men along with Daniel refused to worship it. Daniel himself ignored an edict about praying toward Jerusalem which put him in the lion's den. To be willing to die rather than serve men; Christ (the 4th man in the fire) was exalted and edicts went out that anyone who did NOT honor the God of Israel was to have their houses made into a "dunghill" ( Daniel 3:29). The edict of King Ahasuerus was also a game changer; to bring about God's preservation of His people.

Your reply makes so much sense to me. I will be checking this out in scripture. Thank you

This is a very interesting section; and I have never heard anything preached on the subject of an edict mandating the respect of wives for husbands that is given here by the King after he is "dissed" so to speak from his wife Queen Vashti. Jut discovered it myself. It is questionable; of course thenecessity of showing her "beauty" to all (v. 11); not to mention the whole show of opulence and feasts showing off the king's glory . The decree in verse 20 basically commanding honor of wives to husbands would be broadcast throughout the entire empire (from Ethiopia to India). It is noteworthy that this is the single largest territorial expanse mentioned in all scripture.

Once again; a transgression that surely would have incurred a death penalty with the likes of characters such as Henry VIII did NOT result in a divorce. Keep in mind; this is a secular King. It seems fairly certain that divorce; if it did occur was quite rare and certainly didn't become widespread until some time at least in the Intertestamental era. It would seem that in a secular society such as Rome; it was vastly promulgated as apparently it wasn't all that unusual from historical accounts. It only was addressed (other than Deut. 24); once we got to the N.T.

There are questions that have been raised as to Esther's morality or lack thereof in the later chapters in the "beauty contest". Nevertheless; she became his wife. As to women with multiple husbands; it doesn't seem to be in the Bible either. It is likely that if the Queen was allowed to live; there were no longer relations; and she would be shut up in her residence as a sort of prisoner. I am not judging the validity of what went down here as to what he did to his wife but the verse in 1 Samuel 15:23 comes to mind. It is truly sad to see today how a desire for superiority has robbed much of a generation or two of women of true inner beauty; and godliness. In turn; men are more wimpy; and children rebellious.

If the saints are "raptured" out of here, who is left to fight against the anti-christ? It seems that God teaches throughout biblical scripture that we are to work for Him and against satan. Why would He remove those most prepared to work for Him at this most critical time?

Please say a prayer for me and my family for we need to get out of NYC!! There is so much violence and evil things going on here!! The angel that the Lord sent to Lot, Flee the city, go to the mountains, for God is going to destroy them with fire and brimstone!!! And The Lord did it!!! Sick and tired of their disgusting perversions, sound familiar to a world gone crazy!! People don't have or search for the Lord Jesus Christ anymore!!! Nobody seems to care about Him!!! Pray for all things pure and righteous for the Lord alone are those things today, tomorrow and forever! In Jesus Christ's name we pray, Amen!!!

Thank you Fred , I'm always impressed by Isaacs obedience to and trust in his Father . Isaac wasn't a baby , he was on his way to adulthood , he seems to have allowed his father to bind him without questioning what was going on though it's hard to believe that he had no idea of what was about to happen to him .

Thank you for all that info Richard . I believe that a child was only considered to be part of Israel if it's mother was Jewish , I think that's still the case even today .

The feeling is mutual Gigi , I'm sure you will be back with us soon . May God bless you .

Why is Cain not listed under Adam's lineage?

Hello ELB, I had read your response to my post, and I am still confused with your answer. It appears to me that you have "all" the answers as for God's holy word. I have heard your "insight?" before from people who appear to consider themselves more "spiritual" than others in my past. I'm thinking we have to part ways such that our Biblical views do not align. With that said, I say good bye, and I pray our Father gives you and myself eyes that see and ears that heat "all" He wants us to see and hear. Thanks for your reply.

Who fathered Cain?

Very nicely stated Richard.

God bless.

Fred, Chris & Tom,

While reading your comments, I'm reminded of Saul. 1Samuel 10:1-12, 1Samuel 10:26, 1Samuel 11:6, even 1Samuel 19:19-24,

1Samuel 18:12

I guess that's where "we work out our own Salvation with fear & trembling" comes in. Philippians 2:2, Paul writing these also while in bonds Philippians 1, Philippians 4:23,

Even, Solomon 1Kings 11:9,

Awesome perspective & questions "Gigi"

The HOLY Spirit just encouraged me tremendously & in multiple ways, reading your response!!!

Thank You LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!!

Hi Gigi.

I will pray the Lord watch over you and the doctors and for a speedy recovery,

God bless you and get better.

Roman.

My reply was to show Kay when she said "The modern rapture doctrine was never taught by the early church. Study John Nelson Darby and a Scotish girl named 'MacDonald' from whom this theory emerged" End quote.

You said, " Spencer What you've listed is not rapture, but resurrection by the books. Revelation 11:11-12.

End quote.

However these are rapture quotes by them. again, Here's fragments of the post.

Oregin

"since not even those who are alive can be taken up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air before the dead in Christ first rise."

Rufinus of Aquileia.

"to be caught up to meet God, suspended in the clouds and borne in the air."

I have been involved in several debated topics here on this site, mostly something to do with directly or indirectly to salvation.

I've read your views.

Our views are far off!!

As I said to Thomas I share with you.

1 John 5:11-13. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

When the Lord returns we all will have to give an account.

2 Corinthians 5:10.

I would love to receive one and hear this. Matthew 25:21.

I don't think I'll hear that spending all my time chasing down anymore that believes in the rapture.

But I would urge anyone to get their household ready and be watchful.

We have to be careful on how and when to engage because some find and treat the bible as 'Just" fascinating, or "Just" Interesting and treat the books as a great conversation piece.

There's no virtue in this.

I add, I have no Interest in turning this site into a battle ground over less important issues.

Are you Interested in discussing soteriology?

In tne Book of Daniel, what does the "hand writing on the wall" signify for this present generation? (If anything)

I believe with all of my heart that Abraham Issac and Jacob were a metaphor for the KiNGDOM of God ...As the nation of Israel came out of the Abrahamic Trinity...And they were Father Son and GRANSON....that became as the sands of the seas...That cannot be numbered for multitude..Which is an allegory for an Israel of God...That was the great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the Stars of Heaven..impling an ISRAEL of God...The great Promise was only made to Abraham Isaac and Jacob...implng that an Israel of God wd come out of God Almighty and his Son Christ JESUS...And IMMANUEL THE H.G. God with US...Remember that God Almighty offered up his only son Christ Jesus just like Abraham offered up his only Son Isaac...It was Jacob the Granson whos name was changed to Israel...Thus that 3 rd person the H.G. is the Israel of God...The grandchildren....That are gonna be as the stars of Heaven in multitude when the book is opened releasing the seeds of the sower and to whom the word came it made them Gods, spirits as the Israel of God are spirits that are gonna be born in us which is the H.G. Thats y he is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit thats the fulfilment of Isaiah 49 a heavenly Israel is coming

....God cd not tell Moses that his name was Abraham Isaac and Jacob if Abraham Isaac and Jacob were not an earthly expression of the Heavenly Kingdom...Don'cha see that Abraham had to be multiplied as the sands of the seas...That tells us that God Almighty is gonna be multiplied as the Stars of Heaven...God swore by his very self when he made that great Promise of multiplication...On the day of Pentecost Jesus said behold i send the Promise of MY FATHER UP ON YOU..Which was baptism of the H.G. the multiplcation of Jesus in Humanity ...The beginning of an Israel of God which was the children of Promise...Thats y the Sower has to go forth and sow his precious seed in US...Without this Abrahamic Trinity there cd neva have been a nation of Israel...r the Kingdom

GiGi, our prayers are with you, as well as God's grace.

Don't let one hand typing stop you, I only use one finger.

God bless you as you recover.

The subject of "strange wives." 1 Cor. 7:15-16 addresses a similar admonition; in a way as Ezra 10:44. Ezra 10:3 concerns those who are born to them; and since a child isn't supposed to be judged for the sins of the Fathers ( Ezekiel 18:20); this could be an added concession by the people themselves to what God and Ezra commanded. The descendants of certain nations at that time were not allowed in the Temple for corporate worship as well; but there are certainly instances (such as with Ruth the Moabitess; and with Uriah the Hittite which demonstrate there are certainly those who CHOOSE to serve the God of Israel who are accepted into the beloved.

We need to examine carefully what is being said here. In Corinthians; clearly the N.T. states that an unbelieving wife should STAY in the marriage if she is so disposed; which of course would apply to the believing husband; or vice versa depending on who is of faith. The concept here is of a seductress; so to speak-whatever was drawing them to marry these foreign women was ultimately whatever entity was causing them to be attracted to someone following doctrines of demons; and making them irresistible. There appears to be no protest here of women who wish to follow the God of Israel; rather the emphasis is on those drawn away; which those influences ultimately will do if we allow them in our lives.

It needs to be noted that SEPARATION; not divorce is mentioned. Even if divorce is implied; there is NO scripture that gives permission to remarry; and also perhaps most noteworthy is that there is NO RECORD of ANY Bible character in the O.T. divorcing. This truly parallels Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:9 where those who are remarried are said to commit adultery right after the "exception clause". God is not the author of confusion; apparently contradictory texts have unified meanings; at least in the same circumstances.

Thank you, Suze. I am glad to have this forum. I have met so many wonderful people, like you!

Dear Alexandra, I will pray for your requests today.

LORD God, You are our heavenly Father and know our every need. We ask that You provide Alexandra success in her job and with the book she has written. We ask that You help her mother in all of her needs. We ask that You draw Alexandra's family members to Yourself, bringing them to salvation. We pray these things in the name of Your Son, Jesus. Amen.