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Amen, God's Blessing's on us all..

Dear Mary.

Me, too!

Thanks for the uplifting post raising up praise to our Great God! Hallelujah

Thank you Jesse,

This was a helpful post. I had read the same thing. But it is good to hear someone else say the same thing I had read.

Dear S.Spencer

Thanks so much for your informative reply. It helps to know some of the history. As you said that he has become bolder. Well, then, we should be even bolder when we express sound doctrine that is biblically supported and has stood the test of time as well.

But it seems that there are some who are concerned about my boldness in replying to what was originally posted. I am not one to come here and initiate a post to express a doctrinal view of mine to invite discussion or push my viewpoint. That is just not my way.

I appreciate the support you extend to me in this matter. You and I have some differences between us, but mostly, we seem to be on the same wavelength. It is good to have people like you to exchange ideas with. I am blessed by you over and over again. Thanks!

The peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be multiplied for human beings.

I want praying on;

1. The Oil of God

2. Blessing in all direction

2.1. Spiritually

2.2. Economically

2.3. Wedding

2.4. Faith

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3. Wisdom

4. Understanding

5. Knowledge

6. Work

God bless you for praying for me.

I have been studying on the woman with the blood ensue Do you know some good Sermons i can get thanks and may God bless you

Thank you so much for such a detailed and learned response, it is much appreciated and a great help for my better understanding.

Best regards

Roy

Dear Donna

Thank you. I will pray for you and your sister.

When I was hospitalized a few weeks ago for a T.I.A. and had 2 CT scans an MRI and echocardiogram, the MRI incidentally showed a growth on my thyroid. So I had and ultrasound of my thyroid done last Thursday. I am waiting to find out what the next steps are. It is unlikely that this nodule would be cancerous and 95% of such nodules are non-cancerous. But they still may wish to do a biopsy or drain it if it is determined to be cystic. Well, it's always something, isn't it, Donna.

I am sorry that your sister's test came back as they did. I pray that God will step into her life and do some really big healing!

Have a blessed evening and restfulness in your sleep.

Hi Marke. I've stayed out of this thread as the brothers responding to you here know my understanding of the teaching of "The Law vs Grace". I do agree with you wholeheartedly in what you have declared for that is the very core of: Law-giving, to whom it was given, the need for the Cross, & the advent of the New Covenant.

But as you've already realized, that there appears a syncretistic view of both Law & Grace. Not wanting to diminish the Truth of the Law in any way, what then is one to do with it? Do we throw it out thereby declaring its worthlessness & non-applicability? Some cannot do this for the verses they've given & reasons cited, specifically that Jesus called on folk to obey the commandments. We can then ask, What commandments? Was it the Decalogue, or His Commandments? Is there even a difference?

As you know, there certainly is a difference; His Commandments (as He opened God's Law more fully), required much more from man, than man (the Jew) realized. I would have loved to have seen the disciples' faces when Jesus spoke to them of the 7th Commandment & said that it meant even "looking on a woman to lust". Surely, this is not what the 7th Commandment declared. So here we have a departure of the Old, with Jesus highlighting the spirit of the Law (or, reality/fullness of it), in readiness of what would occur after He departed them. Then who would teach & counsel them?

Had not the Holy Spirit come to baptize & indwell believers into Christ, we could well hang onto every word of Jesus & do the best we could with the Law. But the Law didn't come to the Gentile, but the Spirit was given (to Jew & Gentile) Who brought in much much more than what the Decalogue gave & what the few pages of the Word could declare to us. We now obey the Spirit - if the Spirit says to one to keep the Sabbath, then that is specific to that person without condemnation to any other, for 'every day is alike to another'. We have a New Law working in us & the Power to obey all of it.

Dear Alex

This is Geri (GiGi).

Alex, I always appreciate your replies. In reading this thread, it seems that there are some who are concerned about you or that I am picking on you. You can let me know if you feel this way, too. Please know that I would never want to victimize you or anyone. I took this as an exchange of ideas, not a personal vendetta of any sort, so please accept my well wishes for you.

With that said, I think it is best to move on to another topic as we have both expressed our viewpoint fairly thoroughly in this thread. I have noticed that you did post several times on different subjects this past week. It is refreshing to hear you speak to other topics. We are just beginning to get to know one another, and will probably have more bumps along the way to maneuver with the help of the Holy Spirit. But we can still keep the love and affection of Christ between us. I extend mine to you. I hope you have a blessed night and much peace.

Jukes commentary on the Whole Burnt Offering is an entire chapter in his book and is much more in depth than what I have summarized, so I am sure I have missed several particulars and subtleties in what he wrote, but I think this summary gives a good indication of how he applied topology to this class of offering and its varieties by noting key similarities and distinctions between each class and each variety.

Hello again Suze,

Thanks for sharing your view with me. I think it is good practice to test all things said against Scripture whether someone is quoting Scripture or not. Many people do rely on philosophy (I have not ever studied it, myself) when addressing spiritual matters.

Others try to "prove" their viewpoints by listing or quoting Scripture verses. Others use our God-given reason to explain spiritual ideas. Others take what they know of Scriptural teaching and express it in their own way in their own way of speaking. But, with every and any of these expressions, I believe it is always wise to test everything one hears or reads with Scripture.

I would hope that others would do that with what I post. I am not one to expect others to take my word for anything, but to see for themselves if what I say or write aligns with Scripture. This is what I do regularly in regards to what people have said in today's arena or for what has been said by those across the centuries.

I am so glad we have the Scriptures to read for ourselves these past 500-600 years. What an amazing blessing that believers before then did not have!

Suze, I am always glad to hear from you. I understand your point.

Dear Lord, please hear my prayers for my family! We want to move out of the city to a place that we pray for Your guidance as we follow You wherever You will lead us to! For You go first and we follow You. I try to do my best but there's a stumbling block in my heart for things I don't do right in Your sight.Bring me into that right place with You! I pray to You, please hear my prayers , oh Lord! Show me my wrongs and show me how to correct this troubles, for I need You always!! May I and my family be worthy of Your love and mercy!!! In Jesus Christ, I pray, Amen!!!!!

Good evening Chris. Thanks for your suggestions. I appreciate that. Just so you know, I do not get fired up about what I read that seems like error to me. That is not my personality. So, please do not think that I have posted anything out of anger, hostility, or to overpower anyone else. I just happen to have a straightforward way of speaking, as others do on here, and I honestly think we should believe what Jude says about contending for the faith. The word contending does not mean to only say nice things to people or to not say anything if one cannot say anything nice to another person. It means to be assertive in ones position, which I know that I am.

I understand what you have said about speaking about what the Bible says. I don't think that one must identify specific Scripture verses every time one speaks about Biblical matters. Yet, I admit that it is often helpful to do this. So, thanks again for your input.

Your question is a valid one, so I looked up what Andrew Jukes says in The Law of the Offerings, which focuses on typology. First, the class of offerings this passage belongs to is the Whole Burnt Offering and the Fowl is the third variety of that offering, which also includes varieties from the Herd and from the Flock.

Characteristics of the Whole Burnt Offering that distinguish it from the other offerings are is it was (1.) A sweet savour offering, and, (2.) Offered for acceptance, both of which differ from the Sin Offering. (3.) It was the offering of a life, unlike the Meat-offering. (4.) It was wholly burn, unlike any other offering.

(1.) and (2.) pertain to the pleasing nature and acceptance of Christ's obedience offered on our behalf to God, rather than his atonement for our sin. (3.) The life yielded is man's duty to God, and man here is seen perfectly giving it. (4.) It fulfills the first commandment of love for God with all thy heart, all thy soul and all they mind.

The 3 varieties or grades of the offering pertain to the worshippers apprehension of Christ and differ in (1.) The animal offered as it relates to man's duties of labor (bullock), submission (lamb), and innocence (turtle-dove). (2.) The division of the animal into parts (bullock and lamb) shows appreciation for numerous qualities of Christ's obedience vs killed by ringing/tearing but not divided (turtle-dove) show a generalized view of Christ's obedience. (3.) Hands are laid on the animal (bullock) showing identification with Christ's sacrifice vs no hands laid on (lamb and turtle-dove) objectively observing Christ's sacrifice. (4.) The worshipper kills the animal (bullock and lamb) sets Christ before us in His person vs the Priest kills it (turtle-dove) represents Him in His official character as appointed Mediator between man and God.

I add (5.) Everything burnt as clean after washing w/ water/word (bullock and lamb) vs discard a portion as unfit for burning shows a weak conscience.

Thanks for such a well thought out reply. I appreciate your concern. I realize that people may not care for my responses to Alex. But please note that they are all responses to what he posted. I did not initiate the topic of this narrative that is posted over and over again. By doing so, I understood this as that Alex posted this again and again because he wished to have a discussion concerning it. I may have misunderstood that about him.

Also, people are always free to speak to me about their impressions of me. I understand that some will have a favorable impression and others will have an unfavorable one. I can handle that hearing what others think of me. So thank you for sharing.

I agree that we can move on from this exchange. I wish you well tonight.

Hi Phil. In my understanding, there is only one creation account in these first two chapters in Genesis. The first chapter details God's creative Work over the six days & in chapter 2, we read from verse 4 further details of some of that creation, especially of the creative act of Adam & then Eve. I realize that some folk see these accounts as two, but as the Apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:45, "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam (meaning, Jesus) was made a quickening spirit", referring back to Genesis 2:7. We should understand that Adam was indeed the first human being according to the Scriptures, & there is never any reference in the Bible to any other pre-Adamic creation of human-like creatures. If they did exist, then some information would be given as to their lives, any sin, or their eventual annihilation - but we read nowhere about this.

Yes James, I fully agree with what Suze has shared with you. It sounds that your fiancee has been wrestling with this matter for some time in her heart or maybe that prior to your wedding day, she might like to make that day more special by abstaining, for the remaining time, from the physical aspects of your relationship.

I would encourage you to abide with her wishes & look at the matter from her viewpoint: she will appreciate it & respect you more for it, & will also help you to develop your love for her & the need to give her the due respect & care that she deserves. Even though some of these thoughts might seem trivial for now, marriage is for life, & a firm foundation of deep love & trust, with the Lord God at the center to give you both direction, help & blessing, you'll know that vitality & unfading love for each other till life's journey ends. Not knowing your spiritual position, I would also encourage you both to pray together, praising God & committing your lives to Him & the needs or questions you have to deal with. God does hear & your own lives will be greatly strengthened as you declare your united submission to God's Will for your lives. May you have peace in your heart & mind over this matter.

Please agree with me in prayer in the name of Jesus for healing for my wonderful mother. She'll be having a CAT Scan to look further into blood flow to and in her kidneys. Please pray for healing, or that any issues can be treated without dialysis being necessary.

Which commandment? A man asked the Lord which commandment one time and the Lord listed just 5 commandments. The man claimed he had obeyed those five so the Lord gave him one more, which was not one of the ten commandments.

Luke 18

20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Jesus never mentioned keeping just 10 commandments. He did mention commandments, however, including commandments not included in the ten.

John 13:34

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Likely for the same reason there are four different Gospel accounts recording some of the same facts from different perspectives and in different ways.

Why are there two creation accounts in Genesis?

I apologize for not looking into the second part of the question as regarding the 10 Commandments. The judgment of pagan nations; was largely for worship of pagan gods; which often involved sacrifice of children; as well as statues of idols; and sexual deviancy of many kinds. When the customs and false gods were integrated through intermarriage (especially with Solomon); then the downfall of the nation eventually resulted. God was already planning BTW at the time Solomon made his prayer before the formal inception of sacrifices at the Temple to have it be a place of "prayer for all nations" and Solomon's prayer involved asking the Lord to reach the stranger with the truth. Isaiah indicates that the Gentiles are going to be reached; and there are cases such as Naaman the Syrian; and Nebuchadnezzar rulers in pagan nations recognizing the God of Israel. There were those who did convert such as the mixed multitude who came up from Egypt; and the stranger who wished to worship the true God. When we look at Jonah; we have an ENTIRE Gentile city whose leader immediately fasts and commands all including animals to abstain; and God relents from immediate judgment. It was delayed; and that being more remarkable when considering their great wickedness toward Israel according to historical account.

The commandment about not committing adultery also was holding marriage as a valid covenant among all; Jew or Gentile. This is clear from Abraham's mistake twice trying to pass his wife as his sister; as well as later on with John the Baptist's confrontation on the subject. So although the TERRITORIAL blessings of following the Commandments were unique to Israel; certain principles of course apply to all men in terms of wisdom. There are; of course further laws for sacrifices related to ceremonial purification; and other regulations in Leviticus to follow. Again; it is God's faithfulness rather than ours which characterizes the life of a true beliver.

Marke,

6000 commands, you know thats ridiculous, let's be real, and honest. You have been simply regurgitating the false talking points of the Grace+Faith+0 crowd that is out there misleading many today.

Jesus only asks us to try to keep 10 Commandments, just as He Himself did, and as his apostles also struggled to do all their lives!

Here is the Apostle John instructing us to follow Christ and the Commandments.

1 John 2:3-6

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

We are to walk as Christ walked, and Apostle John says that if we say that we know Christ, but do not follow his commandments, then we are a liar. That's very powerful, and very clear! Something to think about.

In summary, I will now exit this thread, because I can see that your argument, is really not with me, but directly with Jesus Christ.

Read and Believe!

Hi again Gigi , this post from you does sound to me as if you are trying to apply human concepts , in other words man made knowledge and understanding , to God . This can't be done . The only place we can learn about God and Jesus is from the Bible. Philosophy is a human invention and therefore of no consequence to God , we should also think twice before saying things regarding what God can or cannot do . He can do whatever He wants . 1st Corinthians Ch 2 V 18-31.

yes could you break this chapter down to me

Hi James , obviously I don't know you or your lady so I can only give my opinion based on what you have told us on here . You don't say wether you are a Christian or not and you don't say wether or not you have always been aware of your ladies religious beliefs and how strong they are . I think you need to talk to her about her beliefs . She may have been wrestling with her conscience over this matter for some time . You need to understand how she feels and I would definately not try to coax her into doing anything that she's not happy about . Communication is the key in all good relationships . If your love for her is strong and hers for you is also strong then my advice would be to get married as soon as you can and resume your lives together with God's blessing .

Luke 3:23 is the clearest reference to Christ's age when He began public ministry. That was the age; traditionally when according to 2 Samuel 5:4 David began to reign. We need to remember that Christ in all ways had to be as we were; but without sin. Obedience to parents meant that He grew in "wisdom and stature". He also "learned obedience" according to some other verses. How the incarnate Son of God became of "no reputation" in order to stand in and be our Redeemer may be beyond our comprehension; but it is so.

Christ would be of "no reputation" ( Philippians 2:7 etal). To be truly a Rabbi; He also was fulfilling an age requirement; as He was Prophet; King and Priest. When the Spirit came down on Him as a dove; and He went out thenceforth to be tempted of the Devil ( Matthew 4:1) then He began the inevitable course of ministry leading Him to the cross. This shows also the value of His family; as we can see when basically He told John to take care of His mother at the crucifixion. Nonetheless; at 12 years old He showed who He would become. It is certain that as John also indicated; that if everything were to be told of Him all the world's books couldn't contain it. It is also true that much spurious material of the sol called "missing years" were allowed by God so that only those who truly hear His voice would respond; and also foreknew the 66 books that would result in the accepted Canon. It doesn't deny that some truths exist that are pieces of the original text from Enoch's prophecy; for instance, nor make all of Satan's statements something we should follow; but ensures that they have been faithfully recorded.

We also have the Apostle Paul and what Christ said to him; as well as John at Patmos (not to mention Pentecost before He rose from the dead). There is also the "Cristophone" occuring with the Angel of God in the O.T. He is eternal; and now risen!

Amen.

I will make an attempt here. First of all; there is no purpose set forth of man that can thwart the plan of God. Ultimately; the One who is to rule and reign over Israel as king also had to fulfill the role of Prophet and Priest. Clearly, according to the N.T. no one can fulfill the law perfectly; so the perfect lamb of God had to be sacrificed. He is the "Ancient of Days" who would come as the "Son of David" from the earthly lineage described on the mother's side but also with references to the father's lineage.

There are clearly failures; as the whole Promised Land was never taken. The Philistines; for instance are where the modern day Palestinians reside; and many other ancient controversies will only be settled at the return of Christ to set up His Millennial Kingdom. We must look back to God's first promises to man; in the garden and Genesis 3:16 to see that the Messiah was always part of the plan. The next covenant of the rainbow was God's promise; not even based on what man did. EVERY prophet had failings; including Moses; the only one said to talk to God as though a friend; and was used to intercede much in the same way Christ did. But he failed when he struck the rock in anger; much as anger led him to the other sin of killing the Egyptian setting back the deliverance perhaps from when it could have begun. As far as I know; Samuel himself didn't have any recorded sin; although clearly all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Much of 1 and 2 Samuel have to do with Saul and God's dealings with David and the Philistines. As part of God's lineage; surely Satan used Saul with his 21 attempts to kill David to attempt to thwart God's plan. David's failings were costly; and there is a reference to him being a man of war keeping him from building the Temple Solomon did. Of course; Solomon in all his riches failed not heeding God's warnings. God remains faithful; as Deuteronomy states even in the last days and Tribulation.