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OT passages have applications to Christians today. What significance do you think the crop and feathers have for Christians today?

Hi Gigi , I often read things on here that I don't fully understand , however I don't assume that just because I can't understand it , it doesn't mean it's wrong . Maybe I am just not able to understand it yet but I hope to in the future ?

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,

I pray that Rachel finds her faith, her zeal, her love, APJ, FTV, her E, her joy, that we can recommit, remarry DQP, be attracted, receive, that the Lord brings families together, marriages , churches!! I pray that she will return to church and serve, TLSD, SSESC, NDN, be baptized SE, pray in tongues and all of our loved ones!! May all men love and adore you, convert, we A/R/S/E/E, change LTELC!! Help us not to be under the yoke, never to smoke or lie, to be hard, to teach, to fast as much as possible, to loosen the bonds!! Submit to us!! Help us with the H, to DP! QLFNS, unite marriages/families, churches!! May our loved ones know and love you, seek your face, read and love your word (B, C, GBU, R, N, P, P, C, M, neighbors, neighborhoods, M, family, friends, SB, Ah , WU, EMCI, ADJ, H, DDEC, A, AD, J, A, M, B, L, B, L, LP, M, FH, U, R, G, LL, R, B, L, K , B, N, I, Tankoua, SL, J, others, T, Yolain's, T, D, P, authorities, C, E, ES, M, H, YG, R, U/R, E, J, M, M and M, ISFEC, R, R, B, N, V, B, R,IE, DA, E, A, high schools, P, I, M, P, G, P, MGV, LS, SJ, D, I, F, P, EP, A, CNED, ADJ, WU, Rachel, D, B, Mika, Housing, IB, A, IBG, EUA, LP, F, P, SJDC, JDP, B, P, CSC, IDLE, LS, SP, SC, L, France, S,E, CE, P24, P25, P22, ND, SR, LP, JS, CNED, A, G, L, LL, Ch, directions, university, employers, EP, L, C, B, W, W, U/R, R, M, unemployed, B, B, D, L, N, G, BK, Mcdo, Aecm, Caef, AB, Cnef, ADD, Baptists, GP, G/I/V, traders...). Help us with the C and D, J23, 24, smooth our paths, always give us your peace, your joy, your grace, your P, your L your D, your A, TB!! May all men bear with us and be slow to anger, SDLF, AAC!! Heal Backs, Shoulders, Depressions, Gout, Pains, Sufferings, MDT, Covid...Give us LDE, some BN and help us with Perjury!! Help us with the T, not at the MI/G, to change the diet, let everyone honor their p and m, SP!! Let everyone enter into their gifts, their vocation and their destiny, QLFSS!! Change TELPs, laws (telephone)

GiGi, you are in my prayers this morning. My sister has just been Dx'd with cancer and I just had ultrasound praying it's not cancer. So I'm dealing with some health issues. God is GREAT and greatly to be praised! The Lord Jesus is my ROCK and my SALVATION!

Thank you for your prayers. Lord heal all diagnosed with cancer.

when will the end come ?

Tee Gray on 1 Peter 2- Read Hebrews 13 chapter. You need a good man of God (pastor/elder) that is an example & leader, a doer of the word not just say it. There are many scriptures that relate to what you ask, follow Jesus.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Geri GBU but you are not thinking in the Spritual Realm...Have ya neva read that we are gonna be married to God...And you know what a Marriage is its when 2 ppl are made 1...We are gonna be made 1 with God... Matthew 22 : 2 ...Jesus said the Kingdom of God is like a great King that made a marriage for his Son...Thus we will be made 1 with God...See thats not hard to understand if we are gonna be married to God then we are gonna be made 1 with God...When Jesus said the Kingdom OF GOD is gona be with in you...there is no way we cannot be made GODS if the KINGDOM OF GOD IS GONA BEWITH IN US...Remember when Jesus spat on the ground and made clay of his spittal...He made his word ( his spittal ) one with the ground...The ground being humanity...As man is of the earth earthly...and anointed the eyes of the blindman with that clay His spittal ( his words ) ...He made a marriage of his Word and the earth... John 9 : 6 kjv...When Jesus said to whom the word came ( his seed ) it made them Gods and the scripture cannot be broken...He knew he was gonna be married to humanity...Thats y John the bap. said he that has the bride is the bridegroom....John knew that Jesus was gona be marrried to humanity...MAKING THEM ONE...And Jesus is God the son.

.....Geri there are over 20 scriptures in the bible telling us of a marriage of God with humanity....As God so loved the world that he gave us his only Son...A new covenant saying I will know them ALL...From the least to the greatest...Thats everybody...And this know them All is an intimacy...he has to know us...That is gonna result in a birth of Christ in us...The Son of Man...( Mankinds fruit unto God ) As Paul said in Romans 7 : 4 We must be Married to God and bring forth unto God...We cannot tear that outta of the bible...Thus we will truly be married to God, We are gonna be made 1 with God...Thats y the prophets were so amazed saying what manner of love has the Father bestowed up us...ThaT we should be called the sons of God..GBU

Hello Steise. Your first paragraph interested me & would seek clarification as to where you received that information. In my Hebrew Lexicon, 'Elohim' is a Masculine Noun; 'Shekinah' is a word not found in the Bible, neither associated with the Holy Spirit; and the 'Spirit' is a Feminine Noun, depicted as 'wind, breath, spirit', but 'Holy' is a Neuter Noun. In Greek, 'Spirit', is a Neuter Noun.

'Shekinah' was first used by Jewish Rabbis in the inter-testamental period, to show to the people various aspects of God. E.g God's Presence amongst His people ( Exodus 19:16-18); the Glory of God in the Temple ( 2 Chronicles 7:1); & how God dwells in the mountain ( Psalm 68:16-18) but was never found or used from their Scriptures.

But, you're correct, that 'wisdom' is a Feminine Noun, as nouns in Hebrew (& many other languages) were given a specific gender. Is my understanding incorrect with these words, in light of what you have stated & then further developed from them? If so, what reference are you using in sharing from the original languages?

And yes, the Bible is full of mysteries that we may never fully understand this side of Heaven, but we should enjoy what we do know & subsequently learn to appreciate the Gems given to us. When our foundational Truths are clear, we can then confidently build upon them.

God bless u Alex , please keep up the good work . After my last post to Gigi I'm not sure that I will either b allowed on here again or even that I want to b , so , in case u don't hear from me again I send u much love in Christ and I'm looking forward to meeting u in Our Father's Kingdom . Be not soon shaken , u r precious and n His sight .

I have not read the Scripture instructing Christians to observe Saturdays as the new Sabbath for Christians. You quote NT verses from the gospels and Acts in reference to the Sabbath, but when God turned from the Jews to the Gentiles we find only one verse in the rest of the Bible referring to the Sabbath, and you quoted it. Here it is in context:

Colossians 2

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

The message to Christians is clear. You have been saved by the blood of Christ, who blotted out OT ordinances that were contrary to us, nailing them to the tree. Therefore, Christians should no longer imagine they are under some sort of obligation to fulfill OT laws such as washings, eating meats, observing holy days and sabbaths, or the like.

The 144,000 mentioned in Rev. 7 were sealed while on earth before the fiery judgments began, indicating they were to be protected in some ways from the death and destruction that was coming.

Oh if only ! Smiley face .

God chose 12 apostles for His purposes but He did not pick the purest of the pure when He did. You might could say He scraped the bottom of the barrel to select some of them.

Likewise, when the Church age comes to an end around the time of the tribulation, or time of Jacob's trouble spoken of in Jeremiah, God will select 12,000 believing Jews from each of the 12 tribes to live through the tribulation.

What an interesting post , thanks , you have given me much food for thought . I appreciate that .

The OT is a record of God's dealing with and through the Jews. The NT Gospels are a record of Jesus coming unto His own and His own receiving Him not, also Jews, but not just Jews. The book of Acts records the birth of the Church and God's transitioning from dealings with Jews to dealings with Christians.

The Epistles are written to Christians and there is not a single admonition in the Epistles directing Christians to continue the OT ordinances of keeping Sabbaths.

please pray for Kristie and me today, we desperately need your prayers, please pray for my family, remember my daughter Deanna and her husband Wes. they are traveling back home today, please pray for Delmar and his wife

If the lord is speaking here, why are the words not highlighted in red?

The Jews sometimes violated the instructions given them when warring against the enemies of God but they did not violate the ten commandments by obeying God's instructions in fighting His enemies on earth.

A Christian does not get saved by keeping the law and after a Christian is saved he should strive to do God's will by relying on the Holy Spirit of God to give wisdom and direction, not on some set of supposed NT rules some might think still hold Christians in bondage to fulfill.

Galatians 3

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

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10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

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19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

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24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Thank you for your reply to me . I only have one or two more things to say about this and then I would b very happy to drop the whole thing . Firstly , I know from reading this site for at least two years now , that I don't believe the same things as everyone on here and they don't believe the same things as I do . If I were to list my beliefs on here I'm sure that u and some others would find my beliefs heretical in your opinion . This doesn't bother me one bit . Secondly , it's worth pondering that whatever we say to others reveals a lot about ourselves . I will b honest with u and say that whenever u give your rebuttals to Alex , your actual message to him is lost on me and all that comes into my mind is sadness for Alex , as I feel as if u r victimising him again , and sadness for u because of the way u speak to him and what it reveals to me about u . I'm ashamed of myself for not coming on here and saying these things to u a long time ago . There r many regulars on here who have chosen to sit back and say nothing to u while they must have known that your attitude toward Alex was distressing him . I'm ashamed of them also . I'm guessing this comment of mine will b removed pretty quickly . No one likes to hear the truth .

The Bible is truly a controversial piece of literature! It is one of the oldest manuscripts known to man. And what makes it so controversial ---is the fact that it claims to be the word of God. And the fact, that it was dictated to holy prophets, by the spirit of God. Also, a lot of the Bible is written from eyewitness accounts. A long with being a spiritually influenced piece of literature.

And it takes spiritually influenced people to comprehend what it is saying. And people who have not received Jesus as their Lord and savior, and filled with the Holy Spirit, cannot comprehend the Bible, because it is spiritually discerned, so it is foolishness to them.

The Bible says in first Corinthians chapter 2 verse 14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of God for they are foolishness onto him neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"

I have heard people say "I've read the Bible" --- wonderful, but there is a big difference between reading and studying!

Dear Scott Shafer, Keep close to God via prayer and Bible reading and devotions, confessing sins, heeding the Holy Spirit's guiding, take this matter to God in prayer and trust him to tame your tongue. Proverbs 15:1 - A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.

What must a man do to please God and be saved? Here is what Jesus said.

Matthew 19

16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"

17 "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments."

18 "Which ones?" he inquired.

Jesus replied, "'You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,'[c] and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]"

20 "All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?"

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

We should note a few things about this narrative.



1. Jesus mentioned commandments but said nothing about keeping the Sabbath.

2. Keeping the commandments did not make anyone perfect in God's eyes.

3. Selling your possessions, giving everything away to the poor, and following Jesus full time in poverty was superior to keeping the ten commandments in bringing a sinner closer to God.

However, assuming keeping the Sabbath or selling into poverty are the keys to entering into God's approval is bad Bible exegesis.

What is the penalty for not following the law as Christians? Death? Which laws should be faithfully observed and which laws are no longer to be observed by Christians? Where in the epistles are we told to remember to keep the Sabbath holy? What about laws demanding infidels be stoned?

I do not believe Jesus was encouraging Christians to adhere to the letter of the law like a bunch of modern Jewish legalists. Keeping Jesus' commandments are fulfilling His will for us each day and we must get His leading and filling of His Spirit to know what that will is.

Welcome back GiGi. And thank you for a pertinent well-balanced response that should settle in our minds your heart towards all here & that you do not hold any evil intent by what you write. As much as it's difficult to be restrained when error is being published, I think the secret is to make it known once & leave it be, if for nothing else but to keep the comments on this Site focussed on the Word of God & not tending towards any personality.

The best way if error is noted, & I have been taken to task as well by some, is to simply offer comment or answer a question on what you believe is from God's Word. In that way, others reading the thread can then consider, from the Scriptures & Spirit's help, as to which comments, if any, are worthy. I do know where you're coming from, as I get fired up also, but with the medium we have here to convey our thoughts, the barriers are far greater than when in a face-to-face meeting. Anyway, keep up the good work - your posts are always informative & enriching.

Dear "Marke", in a way you are right too. Jews still keep the Sabbath, and Christians do not keep the Sabbath at all. The meaning of the Sabbath was to Honor God not man. Therefore, the Jews could not then do/work on that day of the Sabbath. This was then, as everyone knows, a great topic of conversation for the scribes. (You should see for yourself here on the web as well). So that we do not walk in unbelief where others are enlightened.

Luke 6:7

And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him.

They followed everything Jesus did to get something and accuse Him. No further explanation is needed, because we know that.

Jesus has now created a society that we can have with Him 24/7 that is, around the clock. The kingdom of the Holy Spirit understands everything we think/believe/confess and He does not beat us down if we do not get to go to Sunday meeting. For that is what we Christians do at meetings on Sunday.

But what was done if the Jews did not follow the laws of the Sabbath?

For to live up to what Jesus died for us, May we have fellowship in the Spirit as here in one example Fhilippians 2:1-4

The law that has now been replaced by stone tablets is now directed into our hearts. So really, we only need One to teach us.

He Is A Full Good Teacher. The Holy Spirit.

Romans 5:5

Ezekiel 36:26

This was done so that we would be justified, but then another study begins. Then I'm pretty sure the elders in here have something good to say. Be blessed in Jesus name, love u in Christ

I think if you trace out commentaries on Judas in the Gospels and Acts you get the answers to both of your questions.

The set of scriptures that speak about Judas before he committed himself to betray Jesus are: Mark 3:13-19, Luke 6:13-16, John 6:61-71

The event that triggered Judas to act on his decision to betray Jesus: Matthew 26:6-16, Mark 14:3-11, John 12:3-8

Judas identified as betrayer at the last supper: Matthew 26:20-25, Mark 14:17-21, Luke 22:21-22, John 13:18-31

Once his betrayal was set in motion: John 17:9-12

At the betrayal: Matthew 26:45-50, Mark 14:40-46, Luke 22:45-48, John 18:1-9

After completing his betrayal: Matthew 27:3-10, Acts 1:16 and Acts 1:20

We must acknowledge Jn 2:24-25 was true of Christ before He chose any of His disciples. He was never deceived by anyone that temporarily followed him but fell away, including Judas, John 6:64. No prophet had been in Israel for centuries, so Christ alone had this ability when He came until Pentacost. After Pentacost the hearts of certain individuals could be revealed by Christ's Spirit to born again believers that are specially given that gift, such as Peter ( Acts 5:1-13, Acts 8:1-25) Note, Jusas, Ananias and Saphira, and Simon all had their hearts exposed as false thru their follies with money.

Judas was a disciple and he was broken off the vine, but he never had the fruit of the Holy Spirit and was never pronounced pruned/cleaned by the Father or Jesus. We know this because Judas was broken off by the Father before Jesus told the disciples they were pruned/cleaned branches abiding in Him, the true vine, who would bear fruit in John 15. Judas was marked unclean, he was never born again of the Spirit at Pentacost or made an Apostle for the great commission. He died a disciple without the fruitful presence of the Holy Spirit. He is proof that false fruitless brethren can be among us who depart 1 Jn 2:18-20, but not proof some are broken off by God who actually bear fruit by abiding in Jesus.

Dear all of you. About 4-5 months ago i offered a prayer for my family and relatives.

I now see and thank God in Jesus Name that the answers are beginning to come. For that reason, i thank you all here on the web every day, i am eternally grateful. There are such things so I see no one but God could have done this. : D

He is with us every day to the end of the world! Never forget that. The words i was reminded of today are in

Philippians 3:8-11 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Amen

Stay Blessed in His Holy Name above all other names Fhilippians 2:9 Jesus Christ, Love u all in Christ.

Hello, Just before Stephen went to sleep as he was stoned to death he prayed that this sin would not be laid to the accounts of those who were at hand. Did not this prayer keep the way open for Saul to meet Jesus?