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Mark,

I agree. The key is that these are "religious individuals," not saved believers because like you say, a saved believer is someone who Jesus knows. Jesus knows all those who belong to Him (Saved individuals). And you are correct in that He will never say to us "Depart from me, I never knew you."

People today still take those verses in Hebrews, mainly Hebrews 6:4-6, and Hebrews 10:26 to show that salvation can be lost. But that cannot be because Jesus cannot say He knows us now and then later on say depart, I never knew you. Those verses in Hebrews are talking about religious Jews who were turning back to Judaism because of what it would cost them to surrender their life to Christ as their Messiah, not saved people losing their salvation.

You make a great point. Thanks for sharing!

I'm saved but my wife of 40 years is not, she loves to make me feel like a 2 yr. old, her favorite saying, loves too belittle me and it gets under my nerves, I need Jesus to help me hold my tongue when she hits me on all cylinders!

Donald,

Paul was born Saul of Tarsus. But his name was also Paul. There was no name change. He was born a Jew and his Jewish name was Saul. He was an apostle to the Gentiles, so he chose to use his Roman name Paul, or Paulos in Greek. Saul was his Hebrew name and Paul, or Paulos was his Greek name. He kept both names.

Hello Inez,

Abraham was 75 when He left for Canaan from his birth place in Mesopotamia. Ishmael was born after the time in Egypt during the famine. So, depending how long they were in Egypt, Abraham was most likely between 76 and 86 when Ishmael was born. See Genesis 16. We are told that Ishmael was still a youth when he and his mother, Hagar, were sent away when Isaac was weaned (Abraham, aged 103 or so).

Dear Grae,

Thank you for your reply. I agree that we should not 'pick on" anyone on this forum. But there is a difference between attacking someone personally and refuting someone's viewpoint posted here. I have done the latter concerning Alex. As believers, for the sake of others, we should do this when a viewpoint is dangerously contrary to what the Bible tells us about God, His nature, Jesus, His nature, and humans and their natures. I think that the viewpoint presented by Alex is seriously out of the bounds of Scripture. And so, I speak up. I think we should do this, as Paul, John, and Jude spoke up against heresy within the church.

Not everyone cares to do that, or likes it when it occurs. It is fine if you can ignore posts you disagree with and not read posts from people you do not feel an affinity with. We have this freedom.

As to not researching religious subjects, many on this forum do not wish to do that. I am one who will research because there are many sites that give biblical insights that are helpful. If one wishes to only seek understanding in the Bible from only themselves, then that is fine, but such a person has to really speak truthfully when they say this, that is not seeking input from ANYONE else but self alone. If one who says that they only learn straight from the Bible and then in reality discusses Biblical topics and interpretations with other believers in person, from books, on the T.V., You Tube, or internet, in a bible study group, from a pastor, or any other source is being untruthful.

Grae, I don't know personally what you do concerning this. So, I am not implicating you in this. And I certainly wish you and Alex no harm nor ill-will.

As for me, and many others, I believe that it was intended by the apostles (and Christ) that it is intended that Christian growth is to happen within the community of believers and not to the exclusion of input from other believers. That is why I research, do learn from others in the ways I listed

Marke,

You misinterpret scripture from Paul's epistles, ignore the entire gospel of Jesus Christ, and his apostles, including tons of scripture in the OT and NT to arrive at your misguided concept that a Christian can disregard God's Commandments.

I guess you don't believe this scripture either. This is Jesus telling us that we will have right to the tree of life, and may enter into the gates of the city (Heaven) if we follow His Commandments.

Revelation 22:14

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

My friend, if we are truly "Born Again", we will be led by the Spirit to follow God's Commandment's. Why? Because His Commandments are Good and Just!

Read and Believe!

Alex,

I still am not even closely in agreement with your narrative. It is very faulty and so in many ways. To say we become gods is not biblical and it is actually blasphemous to say that our great ineffable God creates other gods when throughout Scripture He says He alone is God and there is not other god or gods besides Himself. He is eternal, having no beginning. We began. He is all-powerful, all-knowing, everywhere present. We are not and never cannot acquire these essential characteristics of deity because these cannot be transmitted, replicated, multiplied or communicated to anyone else. These are part of what is called God's ontological essence (that which is what a being is). Any being without this essence can never acquire it to become a god.

God the Son in Jesus never had a beginning. His divinity was not made by the Father and begin to exist when He took on flesh. The human aspect of Jesus had a beginning at conception. But the divine aspect of Jesus eternally existed. He is unique in that He is the only Person to be both God and man in these two natures unified in one Person. No other being is like Him.

If you say that Jesus or the Holy Spirit is born in us by God's seed, then again, your statement denies the eternality of all three Person's of the Trinity. If you say that this seed from God makes us gods, then you are professing that there are gods that are created and therefore there are gods besides the Triune God. This is false because God is not a created Being and any created being cannot be God. This is true because God's eternal, uncreated, self-existence is the hallmark of deity, and only One God has this hallmark, the Triune God. Us and angelic beings all had a beginning and thus do not possess this defining essence that exists only and always in the Triune God.

Alex, Your theology is very off base, full of errors, and diverse from what Scripture teaches. It contradicts what God Himself has said over and over again.

Hello,

In fairness the 4 verses I shared were from the New Testament relating to the Sabbath. But I'm not aware of any verse in the New Testament saying to stop remembering the Sabbath, nor any saying its ok to kill or dishonor your father or mother or to commit adultery which are also from the ten commandments. It seems inconstent to only apply the under-the-law verses to some commandments but not for others. James 2 clarifies some of this topic as does this from Matthew 5:19

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Verse 17 Jesus reiterates that He's not destroying the law. Some then assume he's destroyed and ended the law. If anything, Jesus makes it more restrictive, because He goes into a format of "you have heard this, but I say..." and He makes it more restrictive. Example: don't even look at a woman,

Matthew 21:18-30

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

When is the law ended: Until heaven and earth pass? It appears that hasn't happened yet.

And following the law was so important Jesus Himself said do absolutely everything you can to avoid it at all costs even plucking out your own eye! Because in verse 29: "for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."

God bless.

I well be follow the name of Jesus i like the verses

I need to a bible plz give me thank you in the name of jesus

please read the question again

when was saul name change to paul

Christians can make good policemen because they understand that justice must sometimes be upheld with deadly force but they do not take pleasure in using deadly force. I speak generally because I know not all Christians understand this.

There is no mention of keeping the Sabbath in the NT epistles. On the other hand, there are several passages reminding Christians that God does not intend them to focus on the law in their walk with Him but to focus on Him, and there is a difference.

Galatians 5:18

But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Romans 6:14

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Colossians 2:14

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Christians are not under the law. None of the NT epistles suggest Christians should be observing the Sabbath on Saturday or on any other day. NT references to the Sabbath were all confined to the period before God turned away from the Jews, setting them aside until the time the Church age ends and God turns again to the Jews.

Referring to both books of Samuel and to the reports of a whole series of massacres inflicted upon various and many other tribes by Israel who were progressively invading the "Promised Land" with the assistance of GOD - indeed could not possibly have achieved their objective, also GODs objective in keeping his covenant with Israel.

How does this fit with the Ten Commandment that GOD gave to Moses?

Psalm 139

19 Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.

20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.

21 Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

Christians are not to love the world neither the things in the world and are to have disgust for those who openly defy and blaspheme God with venom.

Hello, have you tried praying? You might set a goal and outline all of what you've tried and what all you haven't tried yet in order to avoid this temptation.

Consider this verse:

Matthew 5:27-30

Pretty powerful- to me that means to absolutely everything imagineable to avoid sin even if it means cutting off a body part. In verse 30 it says that the stakes are high. I tend to believe the Bible in verse 30 over what some people claim that they're saved and can do whatever sin they want with no consequence. I trust God's word over man's ideas.

So, this means do absolutely anything and everything possible to avoid it. I would think that would mean ending toxic friendships, moving, changing jobs, and put your max effort into avoiding such sin and temptation. I think this point can't be emphasized enough and the warning that Jesus gave us is: Matthew 7:21. We actually have freewill to choose whether to sin or not and God always provides a way out: 1 Corinthians 10:13, so there is no valid excuse. God bless.

Job 32:6

And Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite answered and said, I am young, and ye are very old; wherefore I was afraid, and durst not shew you mine opinion.

Job 32:10

Therefore I said, Hearken to me; I also will shew mine opinion.

Job 32:17

I said, I will answer also my part, I also will shew mine opinion.

There are three times in the KJV that the English word "opinion" is used, all in Job 32. The book of Job is a book of arguments. The word "arguments" is found only one time in the Bible, also in Job.

Job 23:4

I would order my cause before him, and fill my mouth with arguments.

The English word "arguing" is also found only one time in the Bible, in Job.

Job 6:25

How forcible are right words! but what doth your arguing reprove?

Job and his three friends all expressed their opinions and argued in support of their opinions but God rebuked all four of them in the end for the errors in their thinking. Elihu was not rebuked and he was the only one of the lot who did not come across as one who is right and everyone else was wrong. He gave his opinions (which were right), called them his opinions, and offered for any of the others to prove him wrong after he spoke.

Elihu was right and should be a lesson to us about arguing our opinions in front of others. Give our views as our views and genuinely and politely allow others to express opposition with their arguments.

Dear William, I have prayed for you and your doctors.

I trust that the doctor has helped you consider different diets (acidic vs alkaline foods) as for some such as myself that is the source of the problem.

HOW DO WE CALCULATE Jesus time of his ministry ? and how could his brothers not have seen his life events , there is nothing written about Jesus from the time he was 12 years od , until he was baptized by John the Baptist . or have I missed something ?

Go to Hebrews Chapter Four

Marke,

The only thing I agree with you is; "Christians should honor God everyday"

In order to honor God everyday - we should be humble, and obedient, and trying our best to keep God's Commandments, and not try to reason ways to circumvent them, and try to convince others to do the same.

Matthew 5:19

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Jesus tells us "everything" in this powerful scripture: John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Read and Believe!

Pray over unemployment, the quashing student loans, wages to the over worked, children's future savings, and protect from drugs that they may get the gospel not wasting away if temptation hurts them.

Please pray for me I'm a 67 yr old man with extremely bad GERD LPR REFLUX DISORDER flareup now can barely eat anything at all have a big throat lump with pain thru to my right shoulderblade area pray God will improve these very bad symptoms had to go to the hospital last Friday night

To God Be All The Glory. I am grateful for each morning I have been awaken

by the Holy Spirit.

Hi,

Please pray for my health and for Jesus to save me and be close to me always.

Thank you, many hugs.

Job 32:6

And Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite answered and said, I am young, and ye are very old; wherefore I was afraid, and durst not shew you mine opinion.

Job 32:10

Therefore I said, Hearken to me; I also will shew mine opinion.

Job 32:17

I said, I will answer also my part, I also will shew mine opinion.

There are three times in the KJV that the English word "opinion" is used, all in Job 32. The book of Job is a book of arguments. The word "arguments" is found only one time in the Bible, also in Job.

Job 23:4

I would order my cause before him, and fill my mouth with arguments.

The English word "arguing" is also found only one time in the Bible, in Job.

Job 6:25

How forcible are right words! but what doth your arguing reprove?

Job and his three friends all expressed their opinions and argued in support of their opinions but God rebuked all four of them in the end for the errors in their thinking. Elihu was not rebuked and he was the only one of the lot who did not come across as one who is right and everyone else was wrong. He gave his opinions (which were right), called them his opinions, and offered for any of the others to prove him wrong after he spoke.

Elihu was right and should be a lesson to us about arguing our opinions in front of others. Give our views as our views and genuinely and politely allow others to express opposition with their arguments.

Thank you for that lovely post .

The fact that God repents proves He does not determine from the beginning every aspect of our lives but leaves room for us to make decisions according to our own will regardless of His will.

Thank you Alex , some of my most favourite verses in Revelation : Ch 2 V 17 , Ch 3 V 12 , Ch 11 V 15 and Ch 22 V 1-7 . These verses really help me to focus on the awesome future and take my mind off the awful present .