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Thanks brother!!!

Interesting verse to describe how God had to anoint Jesus with the Holy Ghost and power. Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Dave,

John 10:29 is not talking about predestination and predestination has nothing to do with God choosing who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell. John 10:29 is showing the permanency of salvation to those who are presently saved.

Believers should not be unequally yoked to unbelievers. A new testament teaching. Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

I was once a kind and godly woman, filled with the Holy Spirit. I have not felt his presence in a long time. Please pray that God would place me in a church community where it will be possible for me to be restored to fellowship with Him, and be filled with the Spirit again.

Pat,

In Ezekiel, where you see son of man in lower case, it is referring to the prophet Ezekiel. The phrase son of man would be the same as just saying man. Jesus many times in the New Testament calls Himself the Son of man referring to His humanity. Something also interesting to note is that in the Greek text, it has a definite article "the" before Son of man when referring to Jesus. He is the Son of man. It does not have a definite article before son of man when referring to Ezekiel. It just says son of man.

So you have son of man and Son of man. Jesus is also called Jesus Son of the Father, but did you know that there is someone else in the Bible whose name is Jesus son of the father?

Does Numbers 5:27 support abotion?

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Please notice what's highlighted.

Ephesians 1:3-10. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places( IN CHRIST:)

According as he hath chosen us

( IN HIM ) before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted ( IN THE BELOVED.)

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times HE MIGHT GATHER TOGETHER( IN ONE ) ALL THINGS IN CHRIST, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even IN HIM:

So we have a way and a body ( The body of Christ ) that was fore ordained before the foundation of the world that we have been baptized into.

God stands on the out side of time and sees the beginning and the end of the life of man like a picture. He's is foreknowing and his omniscience is not confounded by the present, It's future.

Psalms 139:2 Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought AFAR OFF.

Example: Isaiah 46:10.

1 Peter 1:19-20 also tells us God knew Adam would sin. "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

No one is predetermined as you put it but God knows before hand who would come to him so by his foreknowledge he uses us as vessels as seen in Romans 9:21.

I hope this helps

God bless.

Dear Alex. We've been on this route before, hence my lack of responses to you. You believe that all mankind will be saved one day, even if it means some cleansing in judgement for preparation to salvation. You believe one is only born again at the last day in preparation for eternity. But you've never answered my questions put to you several times in the past, as to why should the Gospel be preached, if in the end God is bound to save all mankind? Why are we instructed to live holy lives now, dealing with sin, when eventually we will all be saved? You seem to propose some type of purgatory for full cleansing - maybe to attain rebirth.

I realize that I've shared my own understanding of what I glean from your posts, but writing about 'baby Christs, Father, Son & Grandson, God's Name is Abraham, Isaac & Jacob', & such like, I find in contradiction to God's Word. But then you would know this from our earlier discussions. I believe you're a fine upstanding man who loves the Lord immensely, but I find you provide near to nothing as a basis for any meaningful discussion. You're interpretations & spiritualizations are far to extreme & remote for me to even understand. So, if you're prepared to answer my questions at face value & not get into obscure interpretations, we might have something to discuss. So thank you for your time & God bless.

I love this so much!!

Hi Mark.

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I Agree with Brother Chris "God knowing beforehand the choices that we make & the way our lives will unfold" and the Gospel goes out to all, the invitation is for all, but not all will respond!!

1 John 2:2. And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Matthew 7:13-14. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, AND FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT.

Galatians 3:22. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given TO THEM THAT BELIEVE.

Ephesians 1:12-13. That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER THAT YE BELIEVED, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

So let's make it clear

Romans 10:8-15 is what's relevant.

But look at verse 16. "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Here's my thought on this that I'm sure can be improved on.

Romans 9:11. (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, THAT THE PURPOSE OF GOD ACCORDING TO ELECTION might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) Here we have God's way that He Elected..

Next we have "WHEN" God's way was Elected.

Ephesians 1:4. According as he hath chosen us ( IN ) him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION of THE WORLD...

You may find it easier to understand if we look at it as the church or the body of Christ instead of Individuals.

See part 2.

Dear Brenda, a lot can be said. You can take into account the following verse.

1 John 1:7

"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, WE HAVE FELLOWSHIP ONE WITH ANOTHER , and (then) the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

GBU

Dear Dave

Predestination in the sense that God knows who is going to accept Jesus' sacrifice and be saved and predestined them for eternal life, then yes this is right. But predestination in the sense that God planned beforehand whom He is going to save and act accordingly, then no this is wrong. If the latter was true then God wouldn't be righteous. Love, Truth and Righteousness is God's nature. God will not condemn people for what they would or wouldn't have done bur for what they do or don't. The verse you state from John means that nobody can take us from God, as long as we stay on the right path. Interpretation of verses must always be done in accordance to all other verses that are related to the same topic.

Predestination, like .secured salvation no matter what, in my opinion are wrong beliefs.

GBU

Please pray concerning mexican and chinese military forces in mexico and USA on private land's. Please pray for God's Will for all of this, myself and deliverances + USA Militiamen to be used by the Lord for interception, and round up

Yes Brother Jesse, Very interesting!!

Another great example of what the original language can uncover! But even in the English text when taking the whole body of scripture you have to work extra hard and ignore a ton of scripture to deny the deity of Christ.

Thanks and God bless.

Leviticus 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

If God doesn't want us MIXING cattle with a diverse kind, or a sow a field with MIXED SEED, it seems to me he wouldn't want Jews and Gentiles mixing or people of different races mixing. (mixed-race-marriages, mixed-race-offspring)

John 10:30 (Jesus speaking) "I and my Father are one."

If God said "Thou shalt not", Jesus wouldn't contradict Him. No where did Jesus say mixed-race (fooling around) was okay.

1 Kings Chapter 11:

1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;

2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

.....and as a result, Solomon's wives brought their idols into his house.

Amen! May this time of sorrow and concern pass.

Dear Mishael, I will keep Troy and you in my prayers as you are both battling with similar health concerns. God is so great and wonderful. He meets us in our deepest needs and darkest hours. He will be with you every step of the way, every breath you take, (Pracitice breathing in and saying "Yah" and breathing out and saying "Weh"-as a prayer), and with every beat of your heart.

Dear Heavenly Father, we truly believe that You are LORD of all and that you have numbered the days for each of us. We will live every one you have ordered for us. We lift up Mishael and Troy and ask that You will heal them of any cancer cells in their bones or anywhere else in their bodies. Father, bring to Troy and Mishael the best type of treatment. In faith, we come to You, knowing that You can do miracles as well as work through the medical advancements You have allowed us to develop to fight cancer.

Father, strengthen Mishael and Troy daily as they walk with You. Do lot let them be overcome with anxiety, pain, nor despair, but instead, build them up in Your Holy Word and help them to use this time for Your glory. Cover them with comfort and peace. Give them keenness of spirit and words of knowledge for themselves and others so that they will know that You are with them with faithfulness and love.

We ask these of You, Father, in the name of Your Son, Jesus, Amen.

Mishael, thank you for sharing. We care so much for you and our thoughts and prayers are with you.

God loves you!!!

Mishael , u break my heart bro , I know your faith is strong , don't b scared , you know where u r going , sooner or later but hopefully later . My heart is with u .

Today's Tuesday they're pretty good day see I ride the bus so that means I deal with a different class of people I'm not saying nothing bad I'm just saying I went into a lady she was giving out tracks that was an interesting thing I don't know why God brought her my life but you know she no told me that I need to hang out with other people so maybe your message is in that her message for something I don't know planning to a guy at the bus station if he's in his I don't know we just got out of prison 19 years for drug dealing with everything now he's probably going to go back in and for the same thing again I told him and he knows about God so I told him he seems looks like he's got a good head on the show he just I don't understand he was really cool about it so he gave me some information that that could help me too and where I'm living at my town I think God was working in my life today okay I better go I'm venting a little bit and it's a good today

Does Jesus ever tell lie ? No , he definately does not ever lie . John Ch 10 V 36 . John Ch 10 V 30 , John Ch 14 V 20 . John Ch 14 V 6-10 . Honestly , it seems very clear to me .

Thank you Sir ! Having prayers lifted up on my behalf is such a blessing. I will read the scriptures you suggested. Thanks again.

You make me upset for you I just come on here but been reading for ages and you are my favourite please get well and trust in God .

You are probably aware of the verse about us being as the "angels of heaven" ( Mark 12:25). This of course refers to the Resurrection body. There is the question of those who may be pregnant at the time of the rapture. We are all "changed" so there is no real way of knowing whether a pregnancy would continue within the womb or somehow outside of it; in either case it seems scriptural that at least children of believers would go with them to heaven although it can't be proven. That also would have the infant changed into an immortal body if he or she ends up in heaven. It does seem certain from David's comment on the child he lost after sinning with Bathsheeba along with other scriptures that the souls of all unborn will end up in heaven and someday be Resurrected. People want to say all kids will be raptured; I can't see that proven scripturally; just that the souls of all unborn kids will make it to heaven if they die before a certain age.

Anyway; of course there will be the few that survive through the Tribulation who have kids; many of whom will live until the end of the Millennium; hence being those who ARE in the Book of Life at the Great White Throne Judgment IF they are not killed due to some sort of sin beforehand ( Isaiah 65:20). After the Millenium; it would appear that all mortals also enter immortality; once the new heaven and new earth are created.

These issues shouldn't of course be a distraction to plans now; having children and getting married. It is good; however to put our mind on things above ( Colossians 3:1-10). God can give us contentedness now; and surely we will rejoice in heaven and not miss our earthly existence. There is always a tendency to concern ourselves with all the things of this world; rather than casting our cares on Him; especially today. Of course it is always best to have a healthy church community which seems to be found more often in the Reformed churches. May He give you wisdom in these trying times.

Thanks. I am going to study John; then be out of town at the end of next week for4 or 5 days. I have had time to put a lot of material on this site; which will be somewhat reduced this fall Lord willing when I am scheduled to go back to my part time job.

There are things in my own life that need work; as we all do. As you stated; most people are aware of the 2 points of view. I can't see any other view than God's predetermined plan in John. Since John is the first gospel and often the main thing new believers re expected to read; I thought it was particularly relevant. Also; there is a focus on much of what Jesus Himself said; which certainly reflects later in the epistles of Paul; as well as even the book of Revelation.

The best we can do is trust God; read all things with integrity (i.e. in regard to verses mentioning the "whole world" and man's responsibility) and focus on what we do know. That requires us to test ourselves to see if we are in the faith. ( 2 Cor. 13:5-6).

It also involves our resolution and desire to heed His voice; at least in determining our spiritual maturity; and hence REWARDS we recieve or are withheld from because of the quality of our service. A primary issue is whether God can break trough beyond what all humans can perceive; that is the invisible creation and Godhead as Romans 1 indicates. There are muddy issues involved; for instance if God hears prayers of the wicked (Job would seem to deny it but we must keep in mind not all the advice given to him was appropriate). There are other prayers of the wicked at their death calling to God which scripture indicates at some point He will ignore. ( Jeremiah 11:14 for one).

Nonetheless; IF a person genuinely asks God to show them the truth; and they are willing to find out no matter how bad; I have to believe He will reveal sin righteousness and judgment to come ( John 16:8). God's Holiness must be revealed as beyond any so called virtue of human love to be saved as i see it.

In the old testament I see "Son" of man, and "son" of man. Particularly in the book of Ezekiel. Often together in the same verse. What does it mean, or to whom is God speaking?

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Is Jesus Christ God?

Matthew 1:23 is the fulfillment of Isaiah 7:14 which reads, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, (God with us). How can that be if Jesus is not God? Matthew is presenting to us the fact that the birth of Christ fulfilled prophecy, which is Isaiah 7:14.

A virgin was conceived by the Holy Spirit. That's what Joseph came to understand. And when Joseph made that last final procedure of adopting Jesus by giving Him His name Jesus, Jesus Christ became the legal heir to the throne of David. That's when it became official. So it didn't come from Joseph. Even some Jews were expecting Messiah to come from a virgin. Very interesting!

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Is Jesus Christ God?

In Verse 2, it says Abraham begat Isaac. The word 'begat' means to generate or to produce. Abraham begat Isaac, and Isaac begat Jacob, and that's the cadence that goes through a Jewish genealogy. It's always through the man, not through the woman. So the men don't give birth to other people, they produce. Abraham produced Isaac, Isaac produced Jacob, and so on.

But down in Verse 16, it says, "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called the Christ." Do you see the term "of whom", and "of whom was born?" The Greek text says "Out of whom," and the word whom is feminine, not masculine. So the Jewish person is probably going to say okay, we're going Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, okay we got that, and then you see "of whom" and you would think it was Joseph right?

No, because the Messiah is not from Joseph. The Messiah is from Mary. So that opens up a question for the Jews which requires an explanation, and we have the explanation in Verses 18 through 25 which is the ancestry of the Christ explained. Notice in Verse 18 it says, now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise, or more literally "in this way," because he is explaining that little presentation in Verse 16 "from whom" or "of whom" and it is feminine.

So the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way, and by the way, the word birth in Verse 18 is the same Greek word genesis which means origin. The origin of Jesus Christ was in this way. Matthew is still not calling it a birth. He is calling it an origin.

And then we have Matthew 1:21. This is something that the Jews expected the Messiah to do. They expected Him to be the Savior-Messiah. This is the same thing they expected God to be, the Savior-Messiah. And this is who Jesus was.

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Is Jesus Christ God?

After reading through a post discussing who Jesus is and seeing that some believe He is a created being by God, some believe He is God, and some just say He is God's Son so He cannot be God Himself, I would just like to share my understanding on who Jesus is. First of all, a lot of the discussion has been centered on John Chapter 1 which I agree shows not only the deity of Jesus, but also shows that He is God manifested in the flesh. But what I would like to use instead is Matthew Chapter 1.

Matthew Chapter 1 can be broken into two sections, Verses 1 through 17 prove that Jesus Christ literally and legally fulfills the Abrahamic and Davidic covenant for the Jews. And then the second section, Matthew 1:18-25 gives us the ancestry of the Christ. The entire ancestry table is found in Matthew 1:1-17. The second section gives us the ancestry of the Christ explained. In simpler terms, these two sections would be called "The birth of Christ," and "The birth of Christ explained."

Matthew 1:1 would be the caption or title. It is entitled the ancestry, not the genealogy. The word for genealogy is not used in Verse 1. And there is a reason for that. The word for genealogy in the Greek text is GENEALOGIA. But the word used in Verse 1 is GENESIS, pronounced Gen-ay-sees, with the "G" sound as in Girl. The word "generation" in Verse 1 is the Greek word GENESIS. It is not the word for birth.

Matthew is purposely avoiding the word for birth. What Matthew is saying here is that this is the scroll of the origin of the Christ. Why is this important? Well, what Matthew is presenting here fits perfectly to what John said in John 1:14 that "The word became flesh and dwelt among us." You see, Jesus was not born. He became flesh. He has always been in existence. This is why Matthew avoids using the word for birth. He is presenting to us the origin of the Christ.