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Rita Endeavoring to keep this simple, all of Gods creation has a purpose including stars planets and

the study of the stars or the heavens. Pleiades and Orion and are star constellations and Mazzaroth concerns

all the signs of the heavens. The problem is that over imes the truth of what God has created gets worshipped

then corrupted then changed to mean something it didn't mean originally Romans 1:21-23. The original

intent Genesis 1:14, Psalm 147:4, Psalm 8:3, then Psalm 19:1-6 nothing done by our Father is not perfect!

the population of the earth started with two single people Adam and Eve and the bible talks about their three sons Cain and Able and seth . then it goes on to imply that they had many more sons and daughters from this verses. The guy lived to be over 900 years old so he most likely had a crap load of kids.

[ Gen 5:4 KJV] 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

BUT

unfortenly all these people were wiped out by the judgement of God. God sent a global flood killing everyone expect one family a man called noah and his wife and his three sons which were married Shem, Ham, and Japheth

there is no more sabbath that was an old testament ordnance to an observer we are not under any obligation for such a rule.

[ Col 2:16 KJV] 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

no work was to be done on that sabbath to picture Christ, no work is to be done to get into heaven we just rest and trust in Christ Jesus

yea hes bible says god is Angry every day

Psa 7:11 KJV 11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

Jesus is God Alimighty

1 Timothy 3:16 KJV - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Matthew 1:23 KJV - Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

John 1:1-3 KJV - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Revelation 19:11-16 KJV - And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Colossians 2:8-9 KJV - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Hebrews 1:8 KJV - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:

pattern? That's not KJV. saying do be like the perverted nasty ungodly people that know not God

Jesus is creater god

1 Timothy 3:16 KJV - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jesus is the son of God

Rom 1:3-4 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Jesus I savior of the world

Luke 2:11

"For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

the bible is about Jesus what he has done, the world he created and what will he be doing in the future.

Jesus is the judge of the heart and he is going to kill and punish every single person with everlasting punishment who has not belive him and put their trust in him. no expectations

yes your pastor is teaching this right, Jesus is first begotten from the dead . meaning he once was dead. in order to die you have to go to hell. Also Jesus said he would have to go to hell and many verses confirm here are a few

Matthew 12:40 KJV - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jonah 2:1-2 KJV - Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Ephesians 4:9-10 KJV - (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Acts 2:24-27 KJV - Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

I desire to comment on verse four alone, when God swore, he made a promise, that the Lord Jesus Christ would be a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek. From this promise we understand that the whole Old Testament is of no longer any value to Christianity, why, due to the fact it remains under the priesthood of Levi, knowing Christ was not from that tribe, but from the tribe of Judah. Therefore he cannot go under the Old Testament law as a priest to help anyone, thus, the Apostle Paul concludes; Galatians 5:1-4 if you obey even one Old Testament law, Christ will profit you nothing, you are fallen from grace, being cursed to obey all the Old Testament law because you obeyed one, Old Testament law. Galatians 3:10 As Christians we should also know that the Muslim religion is false, based upon God never repenting of the Melchizedek priesthood given unto the Lord Jesus Christ, knowing that Islam is build upon Old Testament laws from the priesthood of Levy, so with affirmation, and without doubt we can stand boldly and testify God is not a double minded person.

yes they will Revelation 1:7

"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

the bible make it appar that he died of old age

the children of Israel were commanded from God not to eat and partake in certain foods. God says certain foods are not to be eaten by them deeming them unclean. because the nations around them were partakers in this God wants his people Holy (separate from the world). the new testament teaches that these laws are no longer in effect these are old ordnance from the old covenant, but we as Gods people are still commanded to be separate not of the world and Holy

You're welcome Brother.

God bless.

even though we don't know if it was a lamb they received adam and eve, the bible is explaining here that something has to die for our sins, i.e us and our Lord and savor

Knowing God or Knowing God

AS with all things in Gods Word words are used with precision and this one is no exception. In the Gospel

of John 13:7 Jesus answers and says to peter What I does't now thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.

The key is the word know it is either oida[ which is to have factual understanding by the senses ]example I know have

knowledge that people sail boats but I have no learned experience of how they work. The first know is oida just

knowledge. The second know is ginosko spiritual understanding received by explanation of the one giving the knowledge.

The one giving the second is God by way of His spirit when born again 2 Corinthians 2:14 the natural man cannot

ginosko know Gods love grace mercy etc. because these cannot be known unless born again. Its interesting to follow

this word throughout scripture to better understand Gods word. Many times the religious leaders of his day had

head knowledge of God the scripture and the looks but no spiritual understanding at all no connection.

Thanks Brother Adam and Brother Rick.

God bless.

constellations in the sky a constellation is a group of stars in the northern or southern hemisphere

In Exodus 19:3 The words used in translation is "went up" how do we determine if this is physically walking up the mountain, vs. being transfigured?

Nice comment, well described.

Ruth

Are prayers are with Francisco

How is he doing?

Phillip That's what's written rewarded for out renewed mind walk in the spirit everything else forgiven

and toasted. Reminds me of Jude verse 24.

Chris

Thanks for replying , Yeah I miss worded that, In another God. I have gotten enough info on this site to look at it a different way, I have worshipped Jesus my whole life (60) , It was when reading the Torah, I was perplexed, I didn't see God letting anyone share space with him as god, But was given the very first sentence saying Elohim (meaning God or Gods, if Plural) But also as one.God sent me to the right place, Thank you and everyone else on this site for helping, and now I know where to go.

the Judgment Seat of CHRIST; Rom. 14:10= This expression occurs only twice in the New Testament ( Rom. 14:10; 2Cor. 5:10).

Distinguish this Judgment Seat, before which only redeemed saints will stand, from that Judgment described as the "Great White Throne" Judgment, before which only the unredeemed "dead" will stand (read Rev. 20:11-14). These two Judgments are not one and the same.

The expression "Judgment Seat" translates from the Greek noun root (transliterated "bema"; pronounced "BAY-ma"). LORD JESUS CHRIST will preside upon this Judicial Throne, and from which HE will Judge HIS saints according to their works, "whether good or bad", while living upon the earth ( 2Cor. 5:10).

This Judgement Seat will not determine the saints' Salvation or even their qualifications to enter Heaven, for that was set at the moment of confession and belief in JESUS CHRIST as their LORD and SAVIOR. This Judgment will determine what rewards or losses every individual saint will receive or suffer according to their works (cp. 1Cor. 3:13-15).

Amen Philip.

spot on!! And welcome back.

God bless.

Regarding Hebrews 8:5 = GOD commanded Moses to construct the Old Testament Tabernacle as the instrument of HIS presenting HIMSELF to Israel ( Exo. 25:22; cp. 30:6 & 36):

"There I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the Mercy Seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the Ark of the Testimony, of all things which I will give thee in Commandment unto the children of Israel."

This verse ( Heb. 8:5) records three terms which demonstrate the purpose and value of the Old Testament Levitical Priesthood and of the Tabernacle that GOD commanded Moses to replicate on earth. These terms provide a comprehensive perspective "figure" ( Heb. 9:9) of that which is "of Heavenly Things".

1st, they served as "the example of Heavenly Things", meaning an exact copy or reproduction of the original and "True Tabernacle, which The LORD pitched, and not man" (v.2). Compare the terms "figure", "pattern", and "fashion" in the following references: Exodus 26:30; 27:8; Numbers 8:4; Acts 7:44; and Hebrews 9:9;

By design, the example demonstrates the purpose and value of the original. This example is not a counterfeit, but rather a replication of the actual Heavenly Tabernacle which speaks of the saints dwelling in the very Presence of CHRIST ( Rev. 13:6; 15:5; 21:3).

2nd, they served as a "shadow of Heavenly Things", meaning it only typified, symbolized, represented, and pointed to the Heavenly Tabernacle. A literal shadow is intangible which reveals simply the outline or profile of the actual object. The earthly Tabernacle simply revealed "a figure for the time then present."

3rd, they served as GOD's earthly "pattern" which was enforced only temporarily until CHRIST established HIS "more Excellent Ministry" (v.6) as exclaimed in Hebrews 10:9-12.

2 Esdras 8:3 says Many have been created, but only a few will be saved"

Does "many" imply "all"?

Thanks,

Alan Portelli

jesus said before Abraham I was, jesus has no beginning nor no end

Can someone please explain Job 38:31-33. Who are the Pleiades, Orion and the Mazzaroth. Who are they and how do they play into everything???

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Thank you also, It seems God sent me to the right place.

S Spence

THANK YOU FOR THAT !!! That's what I was looking for and the very 1st sentence, I have NEVER heard this before, somehow.