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" a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump " , yes ! No truer words ! Amen to you .

Yes Egypt and Babylon are symbolic of sin , so I understand exactly what you are saying , thank you for that clear explanation . We must keep our eyes on the prize and not be as Lots wife , Sodom and Gomorrah also symbolic of sin , we must not turn back to our old ways , the ways of this world but we must keep growing in Christ and trusting God more and more . Lately I'm so aware of the pain and sorrow and death around me . People blaming God for the sadness in their lives , it's becoming a real trial for me to see and feel this sorrow and pain of others . I honestly feel as if I'm being tested in some way , every new day brings a new sorrow right in front of my face , I keep praying to God to help me to stay strong and to not let me be overwhelmed by the sorrow and hopelessness and anger that is all around me . Can I please ask you to pray for me ? That God might continue to strengthen me and keep me close to Himself through Christ our Redeemer ? It would mean so much to me to have you do that for me , thank you so much , much love to you in Christ .

Matt.11:19 "The word eternal"(1 of 2)

But wisdom is justified of her children."

Wisdom here figuratively signifies the house built by her and founded on Zion.(Pr.9:1) All her children were born for the Father's mansions and it is his Gospel that justifies them. Their generation covers only their circumstance in the visible world of flesh and blood. John's generation was was one such but John was sanctified at his birth because the eternal Word set him a sign, as the Messenger to the Son. As with John so with his disciples.

Jesus sent his disciples as sheep which is significant. God as the Shepherd of souls is one aspect of the word which is eternal. Jesus applied it to himself. "I am the Good Shepherd." He and his Father are one because it is the Power of God that makes salvation of his associates secure. "My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand./I and my Father are one."( John 10:11,28-30). All those who were called thus were in the divine Will even before the foundation of the world. The Spirit places the word 'behold' to indicate that the eternal Word had justified the Son who of God has become wisdom. Consequently Jesus sent them that the Power shall deliver them from all eventualities."Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."(10:16)

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."(Col.2:16-17).

Vv.15-17

The Word makes John interchangeable for Elias as every associate sent by the Gospel is stand in for other. This is what is meant by Wisdom is justified of her children. The v.15 used by the Spirit as a tag tells Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever". The same tag we find after mention of seven churches in Asia Minor.

Hi Jimbob: It's good to hear from you and I am enjoying discussing the things of God on this site. I understand now that you don't get on here very often so I'll just look forward to hearing from you when you do. I enjoy reading your comments on the beautiful, true Word of God; the KJB. I think, just my thought, is that somehow before we leave here that God is going to somehow diminish the faith in these false translations. I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving and have a happy celebration of the birth of Christ. :) God Bless You

As you know I have agreed with much of what you say in your comments but what you said about God being one God and Jesus being another, "two separate Gods united for one purpose" Unless I misunderstood, I can not agree with you on this. God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are 3 in one not separate in any way. Saying God and Jesus are two separate Gods is like having a friend helping you move. Two of you working together to accomplish something. It just sounds to me like this is somehow diminishing the deity of God and Christ. :)

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Matt.10:25 "Discipleship" (2of 2)

Outpouring was not for a few but for every believer and it made the Association stronger as we see in the life St Peter. Before the Gospel the principle of Association arrayed every disciple as equal, "as sheep in the midst of wolves." So it was the Power of God in accordance with His holiness, so he was no respector of persons."Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."(18:18) This applied to St Peter as well.

When the Church of Rome makes him as the founder we have seen how the Power of God has been given an underhand swipe and relegated to play a lesser role. "Jesus warned of " Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." The emblem of Rome, the wolf served as a sign of the perilous times the early church was entering into.

Instead of the simplicity in Christ a new order was imposed by man's will, which shall also be cast aside before the Son of man be come." Churches of our times are preaching gospel to keep the congregation whose ears have become dull of hearing. What more could said of Satan who has played a trick on man who shall not be obedient?

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light./Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."(2 Co.11: 14-15)

Matt.10:25 "Discipleship" (1 of 2)

"It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord."

Simplicity in Christ is what sovereignty of the Gospel demands of every disciple and it is God's time that settles it. So Jesus commands, "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." Persecution does not stop with his life in the flesh and shall continue since the principle of Association is set in terms of the Gospel. It shall be thus 'till the Son of man be come.' But take courage the Gospel of Christ has already insured every disciple from evil. Redemption of soul it is called. "But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come." (vv.22--23) Be harmless as doves but wise as serpents to know the times.

Jesus explained from his own example, "Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them./But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister."(20:25-26). Simon Peter was as wrong as every other volatile in temperament and faulty in judgment who would get in and out of scrapes. In the night Jesus was taken he would follow Jesus to the High Priest not understanding his own weakness. So he gave a handle to the detractors of his master to deny him thrice when confronted. He was warned by Jesus and yet he went ahead. (26:34). It is to such a weak person Jesus entrusted his flock. "Feed my lambs' he said after resurrection because he was not counting on Simon Peter the man but the Power of God from above. St Paul for this reason would advise to put as judges in the church "set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church," since it is the Power of God that supplied the wherewithal and not the man. Simon Peter was adequate in his time.

Matt.10:16-17 "Simplicity in Christ" (2 of 2)

Ac. 6:1-4 "And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration./Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables./Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business./But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word."

It was of uncertain times. Famines were breaking out and pagan world was giving over to a new period of restlessness. In the midst of it all the church has to be run smoothly, obviously. At what cost was the crux of their problem. In the Acts of the Apostles Ch.6 we read that what Jesus had warned them was fulfilled. The church had their first martyr in St Stephen.

The disciples were sent as sheep in the midst of wolves. The line of development of the early Church from Jerusalem after the day of Pentecost took to the city of Rome, under the aegis of a suckling wolf. How the Church of Rome became the Possessor of pomp and circumstance and would become a new power centre is a matter of history;Papal Rome took over for instance Tyrian purple as in the times Caesars where the color was reserved under pain of death for only senators. Now Church of Rome forbade it for laity. This exclusivity has nothing with simplicity in Jesus and for his associates. It was a telltale sign of the new normal:

Leaving off simplicity obviously played into the hands of Satan, the problem is in the mind which became corrupted. Gospel of Jesus and consequently his simplicity gave way to confusion and controversy and it has stayed on ever since.

Matt.10:16-17 "Simplicity in Christ" (1 of 2)

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves./But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;"

The twelve disciples carried the simplicity that was in Christ Jesus. We only need look at his instructions to understand it. "Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses." They were to trust in him as the Guarantor for their mobility and upkeep and the Power of the Spirit that has held in reserve in heaven so whichever house or city that refused them were worthy of retribution, "Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."((v.15). This simplicity in Jesus might have seemed to the casual as wanting in common sense but It behove his Father to set him as the Savior of mankind. This made the Man totally reliant on his Father, "And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him." Jesus was not there to be in the swim of things cutting a fashion plate but as the Word become flesh. Gospel of his Father was his Passport as he now was sending his disciples to preach it to the lost sheep of Israel. "AndthatI do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. "(John8:28-29)

The disciples consequently need not have bothered with their traveling arrangement or with their accommodation. Principle of Association entailed that they were under the same reins as their Master, which were held in heaven by the Power of God, a Spirit.

"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."(2 Co.11:3)This simplicity in Christ as we shall see became somewhat obscure in the dissatisfaction breaking among the nascent church.

Sorry I think I may have hit the amen choice by mistake, I meant to do it for Valmar because his comment would have been the same as mine. I do have a question, however, you said something in your comment that, I admit, confused me. At the end you admitted that you yourself had left the Lord but then returned, Praise the Lord for that, but isn't that backsliding or if, though you were living in sin, you had died in that state you would have gone to be with Jesus anyway and your name still would have been in the Lamb's Book of Life because it was sealed unto salvation or no matter how long you were in sin until you returned, God would not have allowed you to die, or you weren't saved in the first place, but no, you said you returned, or I totally misunderstood what you said which is possible. Please don't think I am being facetious, I would not do that, these are legitimate questions to your comment. God Bless :)

Yes, Momsage, man will always have free will & be able to make choices in life (a gift granted by God). What I've tried to show from my comment you referred to, is that when God by His Spirit is indwelling & controlling His child, the child, though having free will & maybe somewhat self-willed, will always be under the Spirit's watchful Ministry - and this can include correction, warning, discipline, even death (so that the "spirit may be saved": 1 Corinthians 5:5).

From what the Word tells me about the Work of the Spirit, is that a truly saved person, though subject to correction will be kept by HIS Power & not ours: 1 Peter 1:3-5 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy HATH begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, TO an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth NOT away, RESERVED in heaven for you, Who are KEPT by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." All of God's Work & according to His Promise; or else, we can be popping in & out of salvation (re-birth) at will, making mockery of God's faultless & unfailing work.

Thank you for the testimony of you & your husband's 'salvation', your departure from the Lord & subsequent joyful return. I think many of us can testify similarly of such an experience - but in each case, we have to rely on God's Work & Word & the knowledge that "the foundation of God standeth sure, having this SEAL, The Lord KNOWETH them that are his. And, Let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity" ( 2 Timothy 2:19). I believe that those whom the Lord seals (& He alone knows them by name), can never be un-sealed. As in your case, or even with me, having at one stage left the Lord & enjoyed the world's offerings, & then returned, it is the Lord's application of His Work in our lives - and this Work usually testifies well through personal testimony. Blessings.

I hope you'll let me be straight with you. I mean no offense but perhaps you overlooked the part in my comment where I said I loathed ALL false doctrines but loved and grieved over the poor souls that are deceived by them. Well I did, and I do. I think that's compassion. You once said you didn't defend the Catholic Church but it seems that you are. Defending a false doctrine so people who are immersed in them can be placated is very harmful. One false teaching is idolatry, among so many other things, and the people have such a heartfelt desire to believe in that. They may get truly saved by someone's witness but if they continue to commit that idolatry, like praying the rosary and lighting candles to false gods, they will be like the seed that fell on the wayside and the fowls (idolatry) devoured them Matthew 13:4. I was raised a Catholic, had to stick with it until I left home because my mother asked me too. That was a while ago but I have kept up with it's influence in the world and it is getting worse and worse as time goes on. I would never say the Pope was the antichrist. I would never say anyone is the antichrist. To me that is not wise. As to the part of the Catholic doctrine being true, Jesus said "you can't serve two masters - Matthew 6:24. One will be hated and the other loved. The scriptures also says in Galatians 5:9 " a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump." A little false doctrine ruins the whole doctrine. Catholics believe in the one true God but idolize the Pope. They worship Mary and a whole slew of other dead people, salvation is obtained by good works, etc. I think you understand. All false doctrines probably have a little bit of truth mixed in. That's how the devil in lures souls in. Might I suggest you study the doctrines of Catholicism. See if they don't teach many things contrary to what the KJB teaches. You can find them on a Catholic Church website so you will know they are the true teachings. God Bless :)

Mankind's free will does not go away once he is saved. It will be with him until death, so mankind ALWAYS has the freedom to choose to live for God or not. You say people who sin after getting saved, never really got saved. Please read my testimony.

My husband and I were living sinful lives with no regard for God and we were very happy. Then, through the witness of a fellow employee, Tim started feeling his need for Jesus in his heart and the employee's wife started witnessing to me and Tim and I got saved, on the same day, several weeks later. Our whole lives changed drastically. We loved Jesus and through His grace and power we left our sins, we started attending church with our friends that witnessed to us, we bought bibles and loved reading and studying them, we had such wonderful times of prayer, we loved everything Godly in our lives and got rid of everything sinful. We had such joy in our hearts. What, other then true salvation, could have made us suddenly make these wonderful changes in our lives. There was no reason. But after several years we let the cares of the world, that came upon us, cause us to became discouraged and weary to the point of drifting further and further away from prayer, bible study, all the things of God that had kept us on the straight and narrow path. Eventually we stop living for Him and went back into worse sin then before, then Tim divorced me. I was so devasted. I knew my only answer to be able to go on (I had 3 small children) was to surrender to Jesus and forsake the life of sin I was living and ask for forgiveness and accept Him back into my heart. I have been living for Him ever since. I never remarried nor had any further relationships. Tim continued in sin until, on his deathbed, through the witnessing of his sons and daughter, he accepted Christ again and less then a day later he died. This was in 1982. I love Jesus so dearly and I am diligent in living for Him. I don't plan on every leaving my Savior again. God Bless :)

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It is true that if anyone ate a biblical diet they would be very healthy. Look what Daniel did when the king wanted him and his friends to eat the kings food of meat and "drink." :)

I'm not sure what you mean about the temple in heaven. :)

Hi Momsage,

That is funny story and absolutely based on the true experiences of their flock. As an ex Catholic, I have experiences of being told that we were expected to give a certain amount of money to be members. Now I am all in favor of tithing my 10%. But, the mercenary approach was quite off putting.

I do agree with all you said. And, it was well put. I do love the Catholic people. My very dear friend of several decades is Catholic. Recently, her mother died. My dear friend is certain her mother is haunting their home. And, my dear friend says she is happy that her mother is haunting the house. How do I tell her, if it is not in her imagination, that the haunting is a demon? Also, my parents were Catholic. My siblings were all Catholic. My children were all baptized Catholic. I unfortunately did not leave the church til I was 37.

You know, I heard a preacher say, "The truth goes marching on," in that greater and greater light (knowledge) is given to us as time goes on. Those churches with a statement of faith that does not allow for receiving greater light are forever stuck.

There are fascinating things to learn. And, as you are well aware, there is joy in that new discovery where Jesus becomes more personal.

I hope you have a fabulous day, Momsage. And, I pray "come LORD Jesus. Amen". :)

Please pray for a situation in my family.

Thank you RichFairhurst.

It is good to take culture and history into consideration when discussion time frames and other matters concerning time passage and determining dates. Good read.

Hi Gus,

Thank you, there are different understandings of who Jesus was and is, whether He was a man born of a woman His Father being God, or the incarnation of the eternal Son the second member of a Triune God, fully man, and fully God. However, one believes Jesus was without sin from birth to death. There was no sin in Him, He did not commit any sin. He is the spotless Lamb that was slain for our sins. He lived a perfect life that no man has ever done or can do, before or after Him, 1 Peter 1:19 1 John 3:5.

God bless,

RLW

Hadassah, Genesis 1:14 does not support that.

Hello Hadassah,

I never said that you were showing hate to people who practice Catholicism, but towards the Catholic Church.

It is a fact that many of the leaders of the reformation thought that the papacy was the Antichrist, but it is actually a fact that the Catholic church, Vatican, and papacy are the antichrist is not yet proven as fact.

I think it is more helpful to point out the errors taught by the Catholic Church or any other sect than to speak as though the entire body of teachings of the Catholic Church or other sects are erroneous and evil.

Being precise in this manner shows facts instead of emotion filled vitriol.

OK Jema, thanks for your reply. You were referring to people other than the one you posted to, so they were also directed at these people in a derogatory manner. So, I still think that they need some explanation to the people referred to negatively in these posts. But if you choose not to do so, that is your choice.

Hello Hadassah, give me a verse, please.

Momsage

I so understand your intent concerning hating false doctrine. The Catholic Church has many correct doctrines that we should support, but also many false doctrines that we should denounce. We should not hold a blanket denunciation of the whole body of teaching of the Catholic Chruch, in my view. They have a very correct view of God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, about the life and sacrificial death of Jesus and his resurrection.

I think it is important to point out where they did change the Scripture i.e. verses, phrases, words. (if they truly did

There are many false teachings in Protestant churches today. So, we should hate these as much as the ones taught in Catholicism. Whereas we do not blanketlike denounce these sects, we should not blanket like denounce the Catholic Church either.

Sects that teach that Jesus is Michael the archangel, that he is not the eternal Sonn of God, that he became divine at His baptism or crucifixion, that He is only filled with the Holy Spirit as we are but to the fullest and only human, that teach that the Holy Spirit is only a power or force, but not a person that can be interacted with, grieved, lied to, etc., that humans will become gods, that Jesus needed to be born again, that all persons will be saved eventually. These are all false teachings in my view. Some of these we find in sects like Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, but also in sects that many find to be within the Christian faith. There are those sects that teach that you must belong to their sect to be saved, such as Church of Christ, Plymouth Brethren, Catholic Church. And there are those who teach that you must be baptized in the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues to be saves, such some Pentecostal churches.

So Momsage, there are many false teachings in numerous sects besides the Catholic Church. The language that you and Hadassah use towards the Catholic Church is hateful and generalized rather than specific. Compassion is needed.

Matt.10:7 "Principle of Association"

"And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand."

One single theme to which Jesus bestowed the Power of his Father was the kingdom of heaven.. In this we can understand the significance of the Lord's Prayer,"Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."(6:10) Every believer has a part as the anonymous boy who supplied loaves of bread and fishes to Jesus to feed the multitude had a part in the testimony of 12 baskets remaining. The Gospel of God is the everlasting Gospel so we have the angel in the last days sent, "to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people," (Re.14:6). He is rounding off the ministry of the Son as he did in his humanity. It is part of the Baptism by fire warning of the coming judgment. Fellowship of God with Man is based on everlasting covenant.

Jesus sending the twelve was on the basis of the same Fellowship of God with Man, where on the earth the Word made flesh stood as the Mediator. Similarly in heaven. The Number 12 established the primacy of the Gospel of God. Jesus Christ as the Way. Only by abiding in him it worked. In short apostles or the saints redeemed from the earth worked with the same Spirit freely received. This explains this verse,"And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors."(6:12)

As an apostle you are to take the lead"Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;/Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift."(5:23-24). You know the problem while the other has not conscience prick. Hence you make peace as sent by the Prince of peace.

Outpouring of the Holy Spirit gave volume to the body " For the promise is unto you, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."(Ac.2:39-41) 'Far ends of the earth' pressed into one body

Oh. Sorry I misunderstood your comment and I agree with it all. I knew you had been a Catholic. Your disdain for the doctrine seemed to match mine. I"d like to share a funny story with you? I can't say for sure it's true, I just heard it somewhere but I think you'll agree with me it very well could be.

A widow "donated " funds every month to a priest of her local church to pray for her husband who, she believed, was in purgatory so he could get to heaven sooner. After a very long time of donating she asked the priest she had been giving her "donations " to how much longer it would be? He told her not to much longer her husband still had a leg in purgatory. :) :)

I sent a comment to GiGi explaining that it is the doctrine of thr Catholic Church we loath not the Catholics. That we only want rescue from this evil doctrine and salvation for their precious souls. I believe you will agree. God bless you

Thank YOU FATHER for the faithfulness shown on this platform by the brethren, through YOUR Word. It gives us courage and strength to go on. Help us to continue faithfully in prayers for the peace in Jerusalem; and for the leadership on the national, state, and local levels.

Happy holidays and stay safe everyone. Merry Christmas in CHRIST name.

December 5, 2023

Momsage great post! I don't get on here very much anymore but it seems that you fit right in on this site.

The KJB truly is the pure Words of the Lord, the (Spirit of truth) is the KJB! All those who trust modern version bibles are putting their trust in doctrines of devils ( 1 Tim 4:1) and deceiving themselves and others ( 2 Tim 4:3-4)

The Comforter IS the Holy Ghost ( Jn 14:26) This verse tells us that the "Comforter" WHICH IS the "Holy Ghost" will teach us all things "he shall teach you all things".

Now in ( Jn 16:13-15) This verse tells us "when the "Spirit of truth" is come, he will (guide) you into all truth"

The word (guide) is #3594; and it means to show the way.

The Spirit of truth will show the way to all truth, the KJB is that Spirit of truth! The Comforter, which IS the Holy Ghost, will teach us all things from the Spirit of truth.

The Comforter, which IS the Holy Ghost is joined with the Spirit of truth. ( Jn 14:16-17) v16 tells us "and he shall give you another "Comforter" that he may abide with you for ever". v17 tells us "(Even) the "Spirit of truth" whom the world cannot receive because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you". The word (Even) is #2531; it means just (or inasmuch) as, according to, with which it is joined.

WITH WHICH IT IS JOINED? WOW!

The Comforter, which IS the Holy Ghost IS joined with the Spirit of truth.

The Holy Ghost, which is the Comforter IS joined with the Spirit of truth, which IS the King James Bible!

The KJB is the pure Words of the LORD ( Proverbs 30:5-6) and ( Ps 12:6-7)

All modern version bibles are words of men who (changed) the words of the living God to deceive, ( Jer 23:36) The word (perverted) is #2015; it means to turn about or over, to change. modern version bibles DONOT have the Holy Ghost joined with them! Those who are using modern versions cannot find this truth!

The Word of God is Alive, it truly is Amazing!!

Blessings to you Momsage.