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Ty . Well said GiGi.

Guarantee I will continue to search for information on any scripture I don't understand. Thats just who I am. I'm Gods daughter forever. I appreciate everyone giving me scripture to search out & learn more about my lord & savior Jesus Christ & his word! Thank you.

Precious April, I pray to The LORD That HIS Doctrine, Under HIS GRACE, Today, will help Encourage you in the 'confusion' of water baptism:

God's ONE Baptism: Link

Pray that I will not go into 2022 looking at tarot reading on line I did not look at it until 2021 I've been immensely watching every day I am a Christian but I need pray for strength I Thank u kindly

Thank you so much for everything. It's very much appreciated. Have a prosperous & healthy new year. I don't celebrate anything pagan. However I do celebrate passover.

Please pray for my aunt and her family. They have Covid, praise the Lord they're only experiencing mild symptoms. Please pray for their salvation.

Please also pray for my family, that the Lord keeps us safe and keeps our focus on Him in all things.

Thank you brothers and sisters in Christ

I am not saying that water baptism saves. I am saying it is the act of obedience that is to follows belief, as commanded by Jesus. Many on this thread have spoken to this subject repeatedly over the few months I have been on this forum. There have been many good posts made on both sides of this subject.

I do not wish to rehash these conversations once again. I posted because I wish to state support for the ages old practice of new converts being water baptized as is revealed in the book of Acts and attested to by the writers of the early church. I happen to think that they knew better than we do in this day and age what was practiced by the apostles disciples, and elders of the early church age. In Acts 19 Paul di baptize the converts of Apollo in water and then laid hands on them to receive the outpouring of the Holy Spirit immediately after being water baptized. I am also aware that Paul had stated that he did not come to baptize. This does not mean that he never did or did not instruct new believers to be baptized. It means that the elders present did the baptizing in water, not Paul. he did the preaching. The elders followed up with the new converts.

I do not see it fitting to re hash this topic, because those on neither "side" of the issue are going to change their minds on this. I believe my view is on the side of Scripture and the witness of the church through the centuries that Jesus promised to build. Those who despise this history will have to give an account to the Lord about why they refuse to follow His command and refute His witness in the church through the ages.

For me, I appreciate the opportunity to share ideas on this forum. I accept that people will have differences, and respect others viewpoint. But, also, for me, if someone is adamantly in opposition of doing something that Jesus commanded and the apostles practiced, then I tend to be cautious about receiving what they say on other matters as I believe they are teaching error on this.

In previous Chapters we see Jesus is talking to many different people from different backgrounds, educations & walks in life:

Luke 14, Luke 15:1,2, Luke 16:1,14,

Luke 15:3 =3 parables prior have to do with GOD's goodness, amazing mercy & love for HIS lost children. Luke 15:4-32,

Luke 16, continues as Jesus is talking to the disciples, Luke 16:1, yet you see the others appear to still be there. Luke 16:14,

A steward is someone trusted with things, property, belongings (even teachings) that don't belong to them, they are trusted to maintain, keep, watch-over, protect, grow etc. In this parable Jesus seems to be pointing out the wrongs done.

Luke 16:8, notice Luke 16:9-13, if you go back to Luke 14, they appear to be at one of the Cheif Phariees house throughout these chapters. Luke 14:1, (Pharisee known for being very strict religious of GOD's written laws) therefore being a "steward" of GOD's written laws, including teaching, nextJesus speaks of the rich man, that showed no mercy. Luke 16:19-31, I believe Jesus is rebuking the "rich teachers, stewards" yet also teaching HIS disciples to be wiser to what is going on.

Hopefully this is helpful

Gigi. Keeping this simple and aligned with scripture who is the author of all confusion? It is not the true God

Hi Arkieguide,

I would encourage you to google subjects like this. There are many good sites that speak from a Christian perspective.

(Answers in Genesis, Christian Archeology, also, subjects like: The creation of the universe, Early mankind, How old is the earth?, etc.) Take some time to read as much as you can. I did this same thing last January and spent a whole month reading whatever I could find about the beginnings of our world/universe and what the pre-flood world may have been like. I found it helpful.

Understood Rick,

How did it get "out of order"

I just noticed, I'm not sure if you last reply was to me or Brother Jesse.

It bares my name but may have gone to him.

Hi Sister GiGi,

You are correct, and a wonderful explanation on why as a Christian we should receive baptism as instructed by Christ. I agree, that water baptism has been the norm even before, and then during the 1st century church up to and including the present day!

Jesus instructs us to be baptized, and shows us here, how we should be baptized and the manner in which we receive the Holy Spirit:

Matthew 3:16

"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:"

Jesus gave us many wonderful examples for us to follow, and Christ followers will follow Christ, and no one else!

God Bless.

Hi Gigi.

It seems there is 2 things we are discussing here. For one there is many things that was practiced that isn't essential for salvation. These same arguments were present in apostles day. false practices and false doctrine crept in the Church in their day. Infact, you see it prophesied in the feast offerings with the leaven. It seems you are searching the scripture as an historian to get to this matter, but you mention nothing of Paul not baptizing as an apostle to the gentiles. I've mentioned the transition from Judaism with much explanation in the initial post, we want get into that here.

I'm carefully going over your post and there seems to be a bit confusion. We are not talking about THE POWER OF THE HOLYSPIRIT in which we are gifted for ministry, We are talking about being baptized into Christ death and resurrection which is done by the Holyspirit immediately at conversion. We are identified with him in death, when he died, we died. When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

(The church couldn't receive these gifts until after Christ died and rose from the dead) So their baptism into his death had already taken place before receiving the gifts.

So we are not substituting water baptism for baptism by the Holyspirit, we're saying ther is only one baptism as Paul mentions in Ephesians 4:4-6. I believe here Paul is saying there is only one way we are identified with Christ and the father and put into the body of believers. and that can only be done by the Holyspirit.

You seem to be saying the same thing in your reply; however it seems you define or term spirit baptism incorrectly.

Quoting you:

"I want to have all that God has for me, not just some. So, that is why I have been water and Spirit baptized, which happened after I was converted."

How can this happen after you were converted if it takes water baptism to be converted?

I absolutely agree with you. I've read the Bible back and forth so much. I never found an explanation from The Lord why he hasn't said Why we all look different.

The artist in me, understands, somehow; God and I have the same opinion. You find just the right canvas and prepare it, mount it, then you go get your paint colors which is a science in itself. I like paintings done by brush and blade. You have to go to an art museum to eyeball the layers of paint and how the colors look back at you.

God is a Master Painter and Sculptor. Every day, our skies are new.

Hollywood tries to paint the devil so handsome and sensual; but Isaiah 14, shows us the Truth. Hatred made him short and covered in worms. He showed the kingdoms of the world, to Tempt Jesus_the Son of God!! the Word made flesh. John 1:1

God created us all different and beautiful. Somehow, Satan corrupts it with chaos, jealousy and pride; eternally marred with hate.

How do we show a dying world there is acceptance and love in the Creator? He takes all the results of sin and hurls them as far as the East is from the West: a straight line that doesn't end.

How do our children learn to hate and despise themselves and others? In all of our daily busyness, why can we not teach of God who is the definition of Greatness and Love? He has no color. He's Spirit. A consuming Fire. His Love towards each of us burns. We see it in Jesus Love.

I see Great Wisdom. Each human being is unique. Is exactly as the Master Painter, Sculptor, desired.

It is upsetting to see in this Forum, that we are not all convinced that God is Good; that God is Love. We blame Him for all bad choices.

We don't truly know how much Satan hates Gods creation; people too. Riots, National leaders forcing us into a sick slavery, children fighting everyone and everything. No future.

Teach them to see Jesus; see Love in the flesh; before it's too late. See the signs! Get yourself in Jesus, who is the last ARK.

Herod was a title. Herod the Great was the one that had the boy babies killed. His son, another Herod, had John the Baptist Killed. His grandson, Herod Agrippa I, had James killed, and his great grandson, Herod Agrippa II was witnessed to by Paul in the book of Acts.

I love this app because I also have the same bible

Good question, Tony.

We should look to Jesus as our example and be imitators of Him, not some person who "seems" admirable, gifted, popular, prosperous, etc. Everyone is fallible, but Jesus is perfect. We can learn from one another, but in our celebrity mindset of today's society, we should guard against putting someone on a pedestal or "follow" them as a "fan". We should be careful who we "promote" by our words and recommendations.

Also, we are not to be respecters of persons in the way of preferential treatment of someone because the have wealth or "prestige" over someone of lesser means or renown. This was happening in the early church and the epistle writers spoke against such practices.

As for the piece of bread part, perhaps it means that when people are enamored with someone who seems important we can sin when this VIP flings us a "crumb" of acknowledgement, a nod, a handshake, a photo op. That happens when people work their way near a celebrity to get a chance to "rub elbows" and then be able to brag about it.

Actually, Spencer,

If you read all of Acts, you will find that water baptism was the general practice of the apostles when ministering to new believers. This practice continued all through the the apostolic times into the the early church times (past 100 A.D.) and has been the common orthodox practice throughout the centuries. It is only in recent times that people are substituting the "baptism" of the Holy Spirit for water baptism (which I think is a biblically errant substitution) . I am not saying that the enduement of the Holy Spirit is unbiblical, though. It is a wonderful action of the Holy Spirit in the life of believer to empower and equip one for service and exercise of spiritual gifts in the Church family. I think that Jesus wants believers to have both a water baptism (as each apostle/disciple had been done prior to Pentecost) and one of enduement of the Spirit (as on Pentecost), but it is the same Spirit that regenerates someone and gives faith to believe at conversion, indwells the new believer, is present at water baptism to do whatever God has determined to happen from it, and Who is poured out on a believer when one is endued with the Spirit. AS for me, I want to have all that God has for me, not just some. So, that is why I have been water and Spirit baptized, which happened after I was converted.

Hello, Esmeralda

When the Holy Spirit makes us aware that we have sinned, we are to agree with the Spirit that what he pointed out to us is a sin and then confess that we are sorrowful about having done it and wish to not do it again, asking the Spirit to help us to resist it next time. We can believe what Scripture says, that he is faithful and just to forgive us. 1John 1:8-10.

We can walk in newness, knowing that we have been forgiven and cleansed from our sin. There is no sacrifice or "penance" we need to do to bring about forgiveness of our sins or make us right with God. We are just asked to believe and look to Jesus for all or our salvation.

As far as someone who isn't a believer, I am not sure if you are asking about how to tell this person about salvation in Jesus or how to address them about a sin in their lives. So, please respond back so we can know better what you are asking.

Yes, we are praying. Such a frightening occurrence for those fleeing.

Dear Lord Jesus, Be a shield between the fire and those trying to escape. Let these people escape in safety and acquire adequate shelter in these cold winter days. Allow aid to get to the region as you prompt people to supply needed supplies, food, and clothing to those who are displaced. Stop the fire from spreading further. Put it out quickly. We ask this in Your name, Jesus. Amen.

Good Morning, Mishael,

I think that God does not mention races because He wants us all to recognize that we are all human beings of equal value to Him. Of course, He has guided DNA transmission through the ages to determine people groups with distinguishing characteristics. I think He loves the variety within His creation, and so should we. It is sad that people have been challenged since Noah's day (at least) with loving neighbors as ourselves in regards to racial differences. I wish this wasn't so, even now, but as believers, we can set an example of how we can love others as Jesus would have us, recalling how He has loved us so much, and displaying for others that God's love in and through us transcend the differences we see on the outside of people.

Thanks Adam. It isn't hard to obey Jesus in His command to be water baptized. I feel that if e commanded it, then it is his will. Like Jesus, we should have a heart and mind set on doing the will of God.

Hi

Mathew 3:10-11.

I would like to add one or two more things that I believe is to be very important. Whether by water baptism or baptism by the Holyspirit, is it evident in your life that spiritual baptism has taken place.

You will run into 2 major groups engage on this topic. One group is those who believe you are saved by confessing Jesus and keeping the commandments. Some of this group believe you can lose your salvation. This group is bond to a work base religion.

The other group believes "for by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Even the faith you are being saved through is not your faith! it is a gift of God!

You have nothing to offer God in terms of salvation! I hold this view.

True baptism when you "GENUINELY" accept Christ as your savior there is production in your life that begins. You can't produce it or keep it from producing as you feed on the word.

I will share a few by verses below and hopefully others can expand on them or add to.

Notice Paul' he didn't have much to say about water baptism, but he had a lot to say about baptism by the Holyspirit.

Romans 6:4.

Romans 6:6-8.

Romans 6:11.

It does well to study all of Romans 6 to expand a little on "the production' of spiritual baptism.

JOHNS BAPTISM.

you can see a picture of this transition for the Jews drawn out for you by Paul in Romans 7:1-2. Read all.

Now read Mathew 3:10-11.

Israel was a natural branch that didn't bear fruit. Jeremiah 2:21. "Nor could it"

Also read Mathew 21:42-44. and John 15:1-7.

Now let's get back to our 2 groups.

You have the 1st group I mentioned that put themselves in bondage as did Israel and despising the truth.

believing in baptism outwardly but unbaptized inwardly.

EXAMPLE: Romans 2:25-29.

The 2nd group

Philippians 3:3.

Galatians 3:13.

John 8:36.

The outcome.

1John 2:3.

1 John 4:21.

This Love cannot be produced by self.

God bless.

To add it is good to study, Daniel is an example of someone who studied the WORD & understood the time. Daniel 9:2, If you would like more assistance on trivial questions that aren't obvious ask, maybe we can help search out answers.

A day unto the LORD,

Genesis 1:5, in chronological order of the Bible, maybe not exactly Chronological of actual dates of oldest to newest. 1st reference of day is evening & morning 1st day. Also light day & darkness night. Scientificly can be referenced to earths rotation being a day, approximately 24 hrs. That also in itself isn't completely finite, that's why we have time changes throughout the year spring & fall & leap-year in addition. In that day of creation was the determination as the rotation of the earth? Interestingly the sun & moon were not yet created, Genesis 1:16, therefore was the light from GOD? It does not specify the rotation nor exact hours. Yet classified as "the first day"

Genesis 2:4, it is quoted "in the day that the LORD God made the earth, and the heavens" as you ask? Here may possibly be the 1st time we can differentiate day being a moment of time, because the previous chapter already clarified/classified 1st day, 2nd day, etc.

Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:5,

Genesis 3:8, this may be the perfect example of clearly being 1 actual moment of a 24hr day. It would be interesting to know the different words used for each example from ealier translations & languages. To really study this more thoroughly.

Genesis 3:17 appears to be the 1st time in our translation & English wording that day is plural in multiple yet it was assumed previous as multiple yet as a single moment therefore classified as "a day" Genesis 5:2,

Again we see it Genesis 5:4,5,

Going further outside of Genesis; Luke 6:22-23, also being a moment not necessarily 1 rotation of earth. Luke 10:12, Luke 12:28, Luke 12:46, Luke 17:24, Revelation 6:17,

2 Peter 3:8,10, reading in context 2 Peter 3,

1 Corinthians 13:9-13, Colossians 1:26, there are principles here that help us understand we don't know everything here on earth in the flesh.

Hopefully this is helpful

Will we be asigned to one place in heaven or will we be as ambassadors sent out to other destinations

WOW Malachi 15-18 16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often to one another,and the LORD hearkened,

I believe we are in tribulation going on the third year and a great harvest of souls is coming are we ready to do our part?For the revivial!

Gigi. Genesis 1:1 God days in the

Beginning He created the heavens

And the earth so everything that it

Consisted of was there, in Genesis 1:3 God put back in orderHis creation . That' s why in Genesis God

Only created something three times

I'm just quoting what's written .

Hi, Joseph! Hope you're doing good today. Your experience with Jesus--that is salvation does not hinge on your counseling with your brother. Jesus is the only way by which a person can be saved. If you are already saved, then do, go to your brother, and try to make amends. If he is unwilling to make up with you, pray for him and move on with Jesus.