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{Final Part}

Once again, I did not make this thread out of hate or pride. I wanted to test this community to see how much knowledge is contained therein, and to do my part to increase your knowledge and faith. God gave us logic and understanding to understand the world around us to better understand the nature of God.

You may have been conditioned to believe science is evil and attacks God but it's the other way around, science is the study of the world around us(God's creation) that further proves there must have been a Creator once you see how complex it is. Yes, scientists can be misled, pressured, shamed, persecuted, fired, etc. if they disagree with what "mainstream scientists" consider true, but the truth cannot be hid forever. I encourage everyone here to study some field of science as a hobby to find out how athiests/agnostics think and to find out how to dismantle common attacks on our faith. Someone's soul might depend on it one day.

If you read all the parts of my post, thank you. If you have anything to add or something to challenge, let me know. It is by challenging ourselves that we grow. I'd like to hear if anyone has a rebuttal to my arguments.

God bless you.

Are you kidding me. The so called gap therory is no therory at all. I learned this in juniour high school.( Bad grammer). A asteriod hit this planet and kicked up so much dust the sun was blocked out and everything died. (Buy Dino). I learned that Clarence Larkin even new this 100 years ago as a bible scholar not a science major. Scripture time. Gen.1;28. Notice the word Replenish. Gen. 9;1. Same word, replenish (To put back). Isaiah 45;18. Now watch this. Psalms 104;6 & 2 Peter 3;5. Pretty cool ha. Job 38;30 says frozen. I hear many say Peter 3;5 refers to Noahs flood. They don't read to well. 2 Peter 3;6-7. Sorry I don't follow guidelines to well.

This chapter begins with the woman, she is clothed with the gospel of Jesus Christ as the metaphorical understanding of the sun, has power over Satan, as the metaphorical understanding of the moon under her feet, has the twelve apostles as the metaphorical understanding of the stars. The anti-Christ kingdom is comprised of the seven nations that ruled the middle east historically as; Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medio Persia, Greece, Rome, and the Ottoman Empire. The ten horns are ten Caliph's of the middle east, who rule as kings without kingdoms. The woman is the church of Jesus Christ who brings forth the sons of God as the man child, also known as the overcomers of Rev. 2:26-27 As well as the bride of Christ. Michael and his angels win a war against Satan and his angels, then does salvation come now, for those in the rapture of the man child will be glorified or saved, the kingdom of Christ starts now in the middle of the tribulation, and the power of his Christ, having to do with the two eagle wings given unto the church as the double anointing or the former and latter rain as taught by Joel 2:23

Thank you Gigi. Your point was well taken. I will have to look up the word you used quasar.

But I agree with you that the first light was physical.

Be blessed sister in Christ.

The wise thing to do if you believe in God, is to pray for direction and protection from the evil forces that are out there, Democrats, Republicans, Racists, nonbelievers, the vaccine itself. Do your own research and ask God for guidance in your decision-making. Don't belittle other people, make statements out of hate, judge others because they don't believe as you do. That is not our job. Vengeance is mine saith the Lord, I will repay.

I know that people are concerned about putting the vaccine into their body. If you are, don't just worry about the COVID vaccine. Worry about Big Macs, chugging soda, medications and prescriptions, smoking marijuana (medical reason or not), flu shots, pneumonia shots, shingles shot, small pox vax, anesthesia.. These things can also have computer chips, change your DNA, and may not be so safe. If you don't want to get the vaccine, that's your choice. The consequences for your decision may be good or bad.

If you don't believe in God, well that's another story to be told.

{Part 5} I HIGHLY encourage you all to look up videos of Chuck Missler on youtube. He's the genius from whom I've learned most of these things from. If you want to take your biblical knowledge to the next level I cannot recommend him enough.

I can't post links on this forum but look up the following videos on youtube:

"Chuck Missler Beyond Coincidensce 1" (yes the video title is misspelled like that)

"Knowing God - An Extraterrestrial Message - Chuck Missler" (extraterrestrial just means originating beyond this earth, don't be afraid thinking it's preaching about aliens)

"The Supernatural structure of the original Bible text - Chuck Missler"

"Acrostics As Hidden Messages - Chuck Missler"

Also not Chuck Missler but a professor who disproves Darwinism

"Professor Exposes Impossibilities of Evolution" (from the channel currently named "Delphos G" posted 7 years ago)

But before you even try to prove to an athiest/agnostic that God exists and that it is the God of the Bible, you should get them to consider what their life would be like if they hypothetically knew for a fact God existed. Some of them admit God wouldn't be happy with them and that's why they don't want to believe in Him. Some may even be happy if it can be proven to them. That honesty is a good start.

In my experience, most won't even consider this possibility because of how frightening it can be. If they aren't willing to consider the possibility, then the problem is their hard heart overriding their logic. This is not the case with all of them, however. For those that are willing to consider the possibility, these logical arguments are for them. Sharpen your sword and study not only the Bible, but the world and people around you as well to better understand God's creation, and to stand a better chance of bringing people to God.

Thank you so much. really appreciate it.

Thank you so much

{Part 4}

There are many other prophecies you can use to convince a logical thinking person that the Bible comes from outside our time domain. Nahum1:10 The ancient historian Diodorus Siculus said "The Assyrian king gave much wine to his soldiers. Deserters told this to the enemy, who attacked that night."

Nahum3:15 (written around 614BC) Archeologists discovered this spot and reported "...Nineveh suffered a defeat from which it never recovered. Extensive traces of ash, representing the sack of the city by Babylonians, Scythians, and Medes in 612 BC, have been found in many parts of the Acropolis. After 612 BC the city ceased to be important..."

Ezekiel26:3 (written between 587-586 BC) Alexander the Great destroyed this city, and it was later destroyed again by the Romans, the Crusaders, and the Muslims.

Ezekiel26:12 (written between 587-586 BC) Alexander the Great builds a land bridge using mainland Tyre to get to the island.

Numbers 2 describes the camp of Israel, if you draw out how the camp would have looked like, you may be surprised to see that was a prophecy as well.

I think you see my point.

There are over 300 prophecies made about Jesus as well, including when He would be announced to His people to the exact day Daniel9:25. Look up "300 Prophecies about Jesus"

There is a heptadic structures used as the signature of God in the Bible, however the Bible was written by many authors over thousands of years. Some of these heptadic structures can be found in the individual writing of each author, such as the number of times an author uses a unique word is a multiple of 7 times. This is one pattern found throughout (if I'm not mistaken) all the New Testament authors. This would only be possible if the authors spoke ahead of time when deciding what words they would/wouldn't use, which is unlikely. There are many other heptadic structure rules you can find in the Bible. Dr. Ivan Panin wrote 43,000 pages of discoveries on this topic.

She is doing much better. Thank you praying. God bless you.

Star, I'm praying for you from California.

I read somewhere that this light may have been a quasar.

I also read, as Rick said, it may have been that God flooded the universe with is holy /radiance.

But I do think that it was a physical light, created at that time, not a pre-existent light such as God's radiance.

Please pray COVID-19 and all variants are eradicated by vaccination, natural immunity and choice of PPE and not limited to this. Please pray Supreme Court allows human rights and not mandates to prevail in the country. Please pray every need for every individual household to household is met from food, clothing, shelter, hygiene and health. Please pray legal industry is revamped and given real time responses that line up with their roles and responsibilities. Please pray the demon spirits through the country are destroyed by the BLOOD of Jesus! And legislation is done for all important topics in the nation. The Build Back Better Bill is amended to included other important topics of life. Please pray occult demons, warlocks, witches and priest are destroyed in the supernatural and condemned in the natural. Please pray the nation is sustained and stabilized in every season. Please pray this hemisphere is protected by God's supernatural and divine protection.

{Part 3} How can we know who is the Highest God?

We must consider the nature of God. We live in a 3 dimensional world with a time dimension. Did you know time is a physical property that can change based on certain factors? That would mean that God is above the very dimension of time. 2Peter3:8 What's my point? God is the only one who is able to truly extend beyond the reaches of time. Isaiah46:10 God knows the end from the beginning and knows the future perfectly not only because He can perfectly predict the outcome since He designed everything and knows every detail of everything, but because He can look past the dimension of time itself. If He is the Highest, then His own permission levels override all others therefore is able to create a future nobody can change. If you played dice with God, He would be able to perfectly predict the outcome every time, no matter how long you played.

Prophecy. This is the most overt way that God can authenticate that a message truly came from Him without miraculously appearing before people. Deuteronomy18:22 The Bible is full of prophecy, not only about our current time but also about many historical events that took place. There are a number of them you can use to convince a logically thinking person. Jeremiah25:11-12 states that Babylon will rule over Judah for 70 years before God makes it desolate forever. In 539 BC Babylon was permanently destroyed, as prophesied in Isaiah13:19. Babylon had been destroyed by Assyria but rose to power once again and destroyed it. This time however it was permanently destroyed, just as God said. Shortly after, the Jews who had been captive were released from their captivity as prophesied in Jeremiah 32:36-37.

One prophecy that may be of interest to believers is the summary of what Jesus did for us all the way back in Genesis, before Jesus was born. Look up " Genesis 5 geneology meaning." Every letter of the bible is there for a reason.

Not as far as Scripture is concerned, nor any other source I've read.

Rick, you are so on it. I never thought about the way you broke my question down. I will cherish this explanation you replied to me. So true there is a physical and there is a spiritual light which Jesus said that we who are born again would be the light of the world.

I just became a member of this community today 12/29/2021, Wednesday and to get your response just makes me so so happy!

Be blessed my brother in Christ Jesus.

Gigi/Geri Good point do what the beatles did let it be, it will manifest itself.

{Part 2} How do you logically prove the God of the Bible is the Highest?

First, His existence. We attribute design to something being extremely unlikely but occurred regardless. When you look at a building, how do you know it had a builder? Did the foundation, walls, ceiling, and design patterns occur over time due to erosion, gravity, wind, etc? The second law of thermodynamics states that any spontaneously occurring events in a system will always lead to an escalation of entropy. Information(design,cosmos,order) and entropy(randomness,chaos,disorder) are opposites. If you leave this building alone for a thousand years, do you expect it to get a pool upgrade, a second story balcony, a freshly mowed perfectly rectangular backyard, and perhaps the latest smart home package? Obviously not, it will decay over time until it becomes unrecognizable.

Darwin's theory of evolution states the opposite. First that abiogenesis(a living thing created from a nonliving thing) took place, which over time broke the second law of thermodynamics and increased in complexity. This is akin in absurdity to the example with the house I made earlier. A single cell is more complex than a city, and every single part of it is there for a reason. If a single DNA base pair is wrong, it can lead to death in the organism. Darwinists expect us to believe the mutations caused to these single cell organisms(which built themselves and arose from the dead) over time led to the creation of organisms as complex as ourselves. Most mutations are either harmful or neutral(no immediate noticeable detrimental effect), whereas beneficial mutations are rare and are biochemical. The DNA(as far as I know) does not even contain the body plan, it's more of a parts list. They have attempted to mutate a fruit fly to evolve in many ways and the results are the same: a seemingly normal fruit fly, a defective fruit fly, or a dead fruit fly.

In part 3 we'll see why the God of the Bible is this Designer and none other.

M With all due respect the context of what you have given scripturally applies to a fool that does not believe

Gods word all the people that have replied from what I've read do believe and its not a case of challenging

there belief or faith, its a case of what is being stated defies the scripture because even Jesus Christ said to

Peter flesh and blood have not revealed this to you, therefore anything in the realm of human reasoning or

if you will logic or anything of the five senses except believing what Romans 10:9+10 and acting on that

is all that matters.

Rick,

Perhaps. I am just feeling that my part in the conversation to "M" is done. Blessings

Dear Star, Thank you for sharing. You have heavy burdens to bear. I am sorry. I will keep you and your family in my prayers.

Lord Jesus, Wrap dear Star in your loving arms and hold her secure in Your embrace as she daily goes through these sorrows. In her doubts, help her to believe in You and Your promises. As she stands in the gap for her daughter and those in her home, let us stand in the gap with her also in prayers and supplications. Remind us to pray often for Star and her daughter. may "Hannah" soon get the deliverance and help she needs to overcome heroin addiction. Send her to the best person and organization to assist her. Give Star strength to endure this painful situation. Help "Hannah" children to be unaffected by their mom's problems as they are under their grandma's care. Provide for their needs in every way today and every day. We are asking this in Your name Jesus, for You are our hope, our refuge, or help in times of trouble. Amen.

Did Noah have more children after the flood

{Part 1} I asked this question to test how many believers would be able to show and convince someone who's looking for logical proof of the existence of God. I must say it is a little disappointing to see people get increasingly hostile when I replied with typical athiest/agnostic responses to test whether anyone would be able to appropriately respond to them. I came up with this challenge to strengthen your faith and knowledge, and increase your wisdom. Few of you even believe it possible to logically prove to someone that God exists. I believe these verses apply here: Proverbs 9:8, Proverbs 9:9, Proverbs 17:10.

If your faith is rooted in mere feelings, what makes your faith more real than that of anyone else's "religion"? I struggled with this for some time as I had never as far as I know encountered an obvious miracle such as having an encounter with God regardless of how I prayed for it. What was I left with? Inside I knew I was right, but I also wondered whether my "knowing" was something supernatural or does Proverbs 14:16 apply. Am I a confident fool or spiritually guided? Maybe both? Seeing how people know so little about the spirit, I didn't believe it to be reasonable to base the most important decision of my existence, which God is the Highest, on feelings.

Basically, is it possible to logically prove the existence of God? What about evolution, doesn't that hamper the proof of God? Is there a way to disprove evolution? Is there anyone so well learned that can show me this proof? Many people who mean well say "you can't prove the existence of God, but..." however that's absolutely false. God did not leave us without evidence to prove His own existence.

In part 2 I will show some of this evidence.

Saved My understanding is spiritual light Genesis 1:2 God turned on that which He is 1 John 1:5 God is light and in Him is darkness at all, because as you stated physical light came later, the word light in verses 14 +15 are

the word [maor for light giver] I.E. sun moon stars in the gospels and new testament the word for light is [phos or radiance ]I.E. in 1 Thessalonians 5:5 we are children of light or radiance. There is a physical and a spiritual light both

are products of the true God, and obviously spiritual darkness is the other side.

The Vaccine is the Mark, it alters you. so that you are no longer what God Made you, but something different, Children cannot worship the beast knowingly, but they are satan's target because, they will be altered, the vaccine does not prevent Co-Vid. it only alters your DNA on a very small level, something else is in the works you can believe it, it kills unborn children worse than an abortion ever could. Plus, it is experimental so we don't know what will become of those who take it long term,

Deb Something consistent and non changing and always true throughout all time God and His Word and

His Son Jesus Christ the same yesterday today and forever.

I have a prayer request. My wife misplaced her partial plates. They have been lost for about a week. Please pray she'll find them soon.

Hello M, it sounds like you're enjoying making a game out of your question about God, but why not just share what you consider the answer before you lose your audience and this discussion gets buried?

M You are saying that which is imperfect man can figure perfection the True God and that by your logic is impossible.

God is at work within our human wills to see Him, and follow Him. He does not "over-ride" our wills. He always says, "Choose This Day"

Philippians 2:13

For IT IS GOD which worketh in you both to WILL and to DO of his good pleasure.

Romans 7:18

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

2 Corinthians 8:11

Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have.

Think on these things.