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He was referring you to ECCLESIASTICUS

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I pray that God will give you the strength and show you exactly how and when to talk to your family in love and power. Let your light shine for Jesus. And let him worry about the details! I pray that he will give you courage and bless you for being obedient. I pray these things in Jesus name amen :-)

Emilia, How is your eye doing? I pray Lord, Jesus, that you continue to heal Emilia's eye. Restore her vision and keep her eye healthy from here on out. In Your name, Jesus, we pray. Amen.

Paula, I will pray for you.

Lord Jesus, in Your name we pray tonight tat you will supply Paula with the property she needs for her housing needs. Lord, allow everything to come together without problems. You did this for us 26 years ago. I know you can do it for Paula. Amen.

@GiGi , I agree with most of what you said, but threatening athiests/agnostics with eternal hell if they don't believe is not the right way to go about convincing someone who doesn't believe. It will make them see you as lacking empathy and wanting them to suffer eternally just because they aren't convinced by what they see as subjective experiences fueled by the placebo effect.

Once someone is able to see what life/eternal life can be like if they know for a fact God exists, they will then begin to see why He asks certain things of His people, primarily abstaining from sin. Judging people makes them close their heart to you.

Amen, Anita. may God have mercy on those we lift up in prayer tonight.

Yvonne, I pray that you will rest in God's loving hands tonight as you trust Him to meet all of your needs and concerns at tis time. Lord, Jesus, hear our prayer of Yvonne tonight. Deliver from the evil Ivan wants to bring to her. Build her up in faith in You and comfort her. In Your name, Jesus. Amen.

Julie, I have prayed for your housing situation. I am confident that God will place you in the best place for you, since you are seeking Him and trusting Him as the good Father that He is and desires to give good gifts to his children who love Him.

Amen

I agree M, we are to use all of ourselves, as God has created us with all our body, mind, soul, strength, and heart by way of the newly re-birthed spirit in us to interact with God. Our relationship with God is not just spiritual; it involves all of our being because our redemption is not merely spiritual; all of our being has been redeemed. That is why we are instructed to "love the Lord our God with all of our mind, heart, soul, strength". So, it is good to subject our soul, mind, body, heart, strength and spirit to the Spirit of God within us to do and say as the Lord would have us do and say, to think with the mindset and wisdom of Christ, to do good works with the compassion, love, mercy, and grace of Jesus, to present our bodies to God as a living sacrifice. So, employing reason and logic along with the input of the Holy Spirit is what we should do, as Paul speaks to in 1 Corinthians 13:13-19.

We are not yet perfected in all of our being yet. That will come in resurrection. But we are not like we were prior to salvation. We now have grace that is powerful to cause us to use all of our being for God and His work in and through us.

I pray that the Spirit will give you just the right words to say to those you want to speak with concerning these things. many times when speaking to an atheist or someone wo wants proof, the conversation gets a bit "stuck", that is when I use that opportunity to say "We may not agree on this, but I can tell you that I know God in Jesus Christ, who sacrificed Himself for me to redeem me from sin, death, hell, and the evil devil. My life is forever changed and I look forward to spending eternity with Jesus rather than eternity with the devil and all of the evil, unbelieving people throughout world history." That way, your testimony is your testimony, and they really cannot argue against yourown experience of salvation.

M When I say its by faith it is not by my faith it is by the faith spiritually given to me by God the faith of jesus Christ

I just believe what I was given by Gods gift in me. That is what the Faith of jesus Christ is the Gift of Holy Spirit.

Which by the way is not by logic or the five senses which is dictated by logic or physical law.

Jesus said blasphemy against the H.G. is not forgiven?

Thank you Jesse

I guess I don't have an Eccesiasticus in this bible I just bought.

I wonder why.

Dear Ronald

thank you so much for replying I already was told 43:11 even Googled it but

I just received this copy of King James Version new large print but there isn't a chapter 43 only 12 chapters.

Do I have an abridged version or something other?

If so that's a disappointment.

@Spencer, that's part of the puzzle but not the complete picture. People don't seem to understand the logical implications of that verse, and I'm not sure I 100% do either, but if I understand correctly it means you can prove God's existence through His creation and understand the nature of God by studying the world around you, i.e. science.

The second law of thermodynamics is perhaps the finest example of this, it basically states things get less complex over time as they break down, not more complex. If you disassembled a car, put all the parts in a huge washing machine, and let it run for a few billion years, would you get a fully assembled and functional Tesla through the random spinning of the machine? No, the parts would destroy each other through friction assuming they didn't decay first. People however are extremely complex and there's 0 chance our DNA is an act of randomness mixed with extreme luck.

But all this doesn't prove the God of the Bible is the One. That is what I am challenging people to prove.

Thanks Guys and Good night again.

God bless.

Hi M.

Good Question

I'm coming along late, Maybe someone shared this, If so I agree. .

l believe the fact that there is nothing logic about God, and nothing logic about his creation expresses Divinity.

Everything exists today is uniquely designed!!

Romans 1:20.FOR THE INVISIBLE THINGS OF HIM FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD ARE CLEARLY SEEN, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead;

"SO THAT THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE:"

Even if we didn't have the written word

By his creation alone expresses God!

It's past my bed time.

God bless.

Perhaps so,

But in the end, the important part is the miraculous provision made by Jesus, multiplying the food to feed so many. It wasn't just ""stretching" the morsels out to feed more (as we did when there was someone extra for dinner in our big family). It was obviously abundantly miraculous.

Rick, I agree. The suspense is killing me. I can't wait to see what I've been missing!

Gigi,

You are welcome. It is true that we don't know how long the journey was or if the Lord waited on those who came by foot. Something I am also seeing is that in Matthew 14:13, it says they followed him on foot out of the cities (Plural). So my guess is that they came from various cities to where Jesus was and some may have gotten there even before Him. This is just a guess on my part. I do not know?

Just because God does not think or reason like a man doesn't mean God doesn't think. We can think too, God gave us a brain to do so, and the essence of thinking is logic. God gave us logic to arrive at conclusions which then influence our decisions. Nothing I'm saying is nonbiblical. God wants us to think on His word.

Grace,

If I may ask a few questions just on part one? Forgive me if I misunderstand the post. What scripture says the rest of the dead are unjust? You listed Daniel 12:2 and we also have John 5:28-29, Matthew 25:31-46, Acts 24:15, do we just overlook these? In the white throne judgement are not the books opened. "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire". Revelation 20:11-15. In this judgement of all nations there will be those that are told well done my faithful servant and those unworthy their reward, the lake of fire. This is my understanding.

God bless,

RLW

It's absolutely possible and the logic is fairly simple. God gave us logic to think and arrival at conclusions which lead to decisions. Though we may be flawed, we have the capacity to think.

@Ronald see my response to Bro dan.

Grace ambassador Look at Judges 13 whole chapter where manoa ask God to send His angel back

for more help.

M I have considered this quite a bit and what your stating is impossible by sheer logic because man is

absolutely flawed and imperfect so unless something is in Him or given Him perfect and not Flawed I.E. Gods

Holy Spirit when Born Again then what is being stated is impossible because imperfection will never understand

perfection no matter what!

I too remain on tenterhooks awaiting these proofs. I've wracked my brains on this one & no answer, other than what others have shared, has come to me.

If I'm unable to prove God's existence from personal experience of His Work in me or by His creative Work in the worlds, then using the Word of God to give someone proof is unlikely to be profitable, as almost 100 per cent of people who reject the notion of God will also reject the authenticity of the Scriptures. We shall wait.

M What you just stated you can prove God through logic defies what Gods word declares so I'll go

with the Author. Because the Wisdom of the world is foolishness to God and the strength of the world

is weak to God and God constantly says I do not think like man thinks or reason like man.

M If your dealing in the realm of the figures of speech used biblically that I can see because of how there

used and no other book in the world has as many.

@Jesse, I want to wait at least a few hours if not more before giving the answer because when people are challenged they begin to realize their mistakes and think in new ways. If everybody says "it's by faith" then it goes to show while they do believe, it's very clear why people who do not believe are not convinced. Unbelievers think you're a victim of the placebo effect, and who can blame them?

It pains me to see people saying "you can't prove God exists," especially when it's a believer. You are right that even if shown something to be logically true, those with a hard heart can find a way to deny the validity of it. The answer is simpler than you may think.

Jesse This will be to say the least interesting.