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M,

I am just curious as to how many more incorrect illogical responses you are waiting on before you give us the correct answer. You have my attention as I myself would like to know the proper answer. Before I came to know the Lord, or rather as Paul says, He came to know me, I had people try and prove to me through human logic that God was real. None of their logic worked. I am convinced He is real, but it has nothing to do with human logic. It took God's Spirit to convince me that He is real. As a believer, it is not up to me to prove that God is real. I can share Christ with others, but I can't prove anything to anyone, no matter how logical I make it sound. Adam brings up a great point about the theory of evolution. The evolutionists use logic, and very convincing logic at that. And there's a reason why we believers do not believe their logic. That reason is God's Spirit in us. If we didn't have God's Spirit dwelling in us, we would believe what they believe. Again, it takes God's Spirit to convince a person that He is real, not human logic.

I do look forward to you giving us the answer!

Why does most americans believe almost anything? like a lie.. the serpant in the bible was a snake talking to a woman. that same serpant lead jesus upon a high mountain and said if you be the son of god cast your down and the serpant read out of the book of psalms cp 91 verse starting at verse 11. this serpant called a snake is one more bad dood..a talking snake!! something is wrong with this episode!!! see how even the preachers are deceive whew!!!

What if an athiest replied to you that morality is something that was developed in people over time during evolution because groups who stuck and worked together without harming the integrity of the group by killing, stealing, etc. had the highest chance of survival, and therefore they taught their kids this/passed it on in their genes and we are the descendants of those people?

@GiGi, perhaps you are right and there is a supernatural aspect to the words of God that if people receive with an open heart then they will know the truth. The words come from the supernatural but I don't know if they have supernatural effects to all who read them. Personally that is not how I went about seeking the truth because I don't know if it's a placebo effect or not.

What I'm specifically looking for in an answer is(are) something(s) in the Bible that if someone reads with a cold heart and with only logic they can see undeniably that it couldn't have been written by anything other than a Being who lives beyond space and time. This information does exist in the Bible.

Jesse Nothing else will work until a man is Born Again and receives the Faith of Jesus Christ.

M If your talking about the figures of speech used in Gods Word the is no other literature in the world

that uses them with the precision and perfection that God Does. Psalm 138:2 Thou hast magnified thy word

above thy name.

There are multiple ways to prove God exists. Our own human conscience proves that God exists. It is our human nature to know what is right and what is wrong. Even if we don't know God, or don't believe God, it is God in our conscience within each of us to reason right from wrong. How would we know right from wrong if not?

Here is Paul explaining this in scripture:

Romans 2:14-15

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;

God Bless.

Perhaps reading Genesis chapter 1 to them. Let the word convince them by the power of God. Deuteronomy 6:4.

Isaiah 48:12-13, 46:9-11, 45:20-25, 44:6-9 all speak of the God of the Bible being the one and only God in all of time and creation. There is no other, and never will be another. So, for me. I would read these to a person (perhaps not all in one sitting) and let God do the rest.

There are probably many more verses you can find by searching key words. I will pray that God will prepare te hearts of those you will share with so that the true Word of God will be received by faith.

M All of them because the Word of God is perfect and nothing else can disprove that.

M,

Morals would not exist without God. There is not an action that will create a reaction of moral because the benefit is loss and not gain.

RLW

Thanks Jesse, I was thinking that also, An out of the way place that is not very inhabited. The Jordan valley is very fertile and as steep slopes leading up to the upland. The people may have had a way around the body of water Jesus was crossing in a boat and were able to meet up with Him wen he got out of the boat to the place He wished to perform tis miracle. He must have tarried some for them to catch up with him, or the boat was slow traveling compared to foot. We don't know if it was a long journey or sort.

Thanks for helping on this.

@GiGi, you are right that the answer lies in the Word of God. However, I'm testing people to see if they actually know specifically which verses are able to show undeniably that the Bible is the words of the one true God. Specificity matters a great deal when you're trying to convince someone of anything. Just saying "this man is good" isn't as convincing as saying "this man was tortured and killed for you so you can live", it gives a very different emotional impact.

Khalif, I will pray for you.

Dear Lord Jesus, You know all things that will come our way in our life. Please give khalif assurance that You are the provider of all good things. I pray that you prepare him and his future wife to meet one another and that they both will know that it is You who have given each of you to one another for a life-long loving marriage. Make Khalif patient. Show him how he is to live each day for You and for Your glory. Guide his future wife to be a beautiful, faith filled woman who walks in the Spirit and seeks You humbly and earnestly. We pray this in Your name Jesus, Amen.

@David, also in regards to your second post, humbleness and meekness alone isn't enough. There are many people around the world who can barely afford to eat. There are also people who are genuinely kind and care about others but simply don't have proof that the God of the Bible is the One. You must see it from their point of view, surely at one point you didn't believe, or know someone who didn't. Empathy is a virtue you must utilize to really understand someone.

It's not as simple as "believe or else..." because there are many religions and each believer of those religions thinks they follow the truth just as much as you believe you do. I know that religion is a man-made construct that is not the same thing as having a relationship with God but my point still stands. Emotions and feelings are not enough to prove God exists to other people viewing the situation logically because anyone who knows about the placebo effect knows how powerful it can be. God did not leave the world without proof He is the One.

My humble pleasure and privilege!

Dear M. I agree with what some have posted here. It is hard to look at all of creation and what science has revealed to use in recent centuries to not consider that there is a creator who is much grander and powerful than us. But man's heart is hardened and unable to believe in God without faith. It is a spiritual work that allows us to believe that the God of the Bible is the only and one true God. But in Hebrews 4:12 states that "the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper that any two edged sword, even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intentions of the heart." and in Romans 10:17 says that "faith comes from hearing, and hearing from the word of God." This tells us that God's holy Word (Scriptures) is the vehicle God uses to bring people to faith in Him.

Therefore, we as believers should know that if we want someone to be convinced that God exists, we are to speak the truth of the Word of God to them and let God work its power in the person we are sharing with. We can trust this to be true. I hope this helps.

Blessings Joel, Welcome and may you grow up fully in Christ our Lord.

GiGi, thank you so much sister.

@Jesse, there are ways to prove the God of the Bible is the one true God using logic. I am making this post so believers can be better equipped to see that, so they will not be(or appear to be) illogical in their beliefs.

@David and @SEEING GOD THROUGH CREATION, you've both made the same point of creation is proof of a creator. That is not logically flawed, however the way you both described it is superficial and wouldn't convince an unbeliever. Yes, the second law of thermodynamics shows random events lead to greater disorder and deterioration not order, and that's part of what proves God. But how does that prove that the God of the Bible is the one true God, not zeus or literally any other god?

@Adam, you made a similar point to them but never seeing doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You've never seen God but you believe in him, using the lack of seeing something like evolution take place cannot discredit it on its own.

Once this thought exercise is complete, I will share the proof. I want to see if there is anyone here in this center of learning God's word online who knows the answer.

Grace That's not what I read, and that's okay.

If you seek to repent of evil thoughts, (blasphemous thoughts against the Holy Spirit), that means you will not be forgiven? Evil thoughts come from the heart so regardless of if they are said or thought there is no forgiveness correct? I was told that if you are convicted of sin you can repent because the Holy Spirit still draws you. However if you cannot be forgiven you will no longer be convicted. So how can you tell the difference between feeling condemnation/guilt and actual conviction of the Holy Spirit?

Psalm 91:11 kjv For he shall give his angels charge over thee to keep thee in all thy ways. Allthough we have had very much stress in our life.I have slept in heavenly peace when I say the Our father before bed,and ask God to send his angel to watch over me while I sleep.As they never sleep ,and you can be attacked when you sleep by nightmares etc.Spiritual warfare 101 The shield of faith hebrews 11 Luke 24:43 And there appeared unto him an angel from heaven ,strenghening him,All glory to God for his wisdom ,and peace that goes beyond human understanding.

M Now my answer from Gods Word 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of

of the spirit of God neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned. Either you get humble

and meek to receive Romans 10:9+10 or you don't.

It does and TY!! There's that old adage that scripture defines scripture and good ol'Mark details this departure in a different way. Apparently the masses came from all directions, so many didn't have to cross by sea (I'm thinking HOW did @20,000 people get a vessel to navigate a body of water)? Holy Spirit driven. Your desert description makes total sense!!

I understand your points. Knowledge helps us when trouble comes. There are too many stories IN THE BIBLE when humans had interactions with angels, and evil beings. Look up those.

I totally agree that people are never to worship angels. Get all those angel paintings out of your home. Angels serve God. Not humans.

Example, if you're hanging upside down from hanging christmas lights on the house, or trapped in a car wreck of twisted metal; that's a good time to ask God for HELP. There are many stories of Jesus casting out devils. He shows us how to battle the devil, when Jesus was on the 40 day fast.

I was merely trying to show that the angels serve the Lord, and none other.

We are here to Equip the Saints in all ways: scripture plus testimony.

Who opened Peters jail cell door so he could walk out unseen? Who comforted Jesus in the garden when He was awaiting the soldiers coming to arrest him?

Dear Martin. I will pray for Chiki. Lord Jesus, Chiki is ill and needs Your healing touch to be cured of this viral infection. We ask that You bring this healing soon. In your name Jesus, Amen.

Just a beginner at the young age of 49.

Grace and David, agreeing with you both in prayers for Victor, Grace, and family. may they all recover readily without complications. Amen.

Hi again David, I will pray with you.

Dear Lord Jesus, David is lifting up his family faithfully and persistently to You. hear his prayers today. Bring healing to Gary quickly. Bring healing to Jim and allow him to improve quickly so he can go off of the ventilator soon. Help David's co-workers open their hearts to the Gospel spoken about and lived out in David's life. We ask this in Jesus' name. Amen.

Jane, I will pray for you.

Dear Lord Jesus, Bring Jane's husband back home very soon. Keep him safe and protect him as he returns. WE ask this in Your name Jesus. Amen.