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God Bless Yes the unbelievers do, because when your dead your not really dead, that's what spiritualism

pushes or you don't don't really need a Saviour for a Spiritual Connection with God all you have to do is

mix up what you have been born with, I.E. Chi, your enlightened self, Ying or Yang, reincarnation,

transmigration of the soul, absolutely anything but John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him and that meant absolutely

without question I am the Way the Truth and the Life NO MAN cometh unto the father but by me!!!!!

He Is The Only Way

P.S. An interesting point to that Truth is that the Hallway in the Temple to the HOLY of HOLIES had three

Sections number1 The Way number 2 The Truth number 3 The Life then your In. Kinda neat That's why he

always ticked off the religious leaders, He knew they were fulla bulla LOl.

It is never okay to preach for money, in this sense man will miss the whole purpose of salvation and how to come to know God better. There are many things that we can do for money and those things would not change who we are and how we will eventually turn out but preaching the Gospel for money can not only destroy our soul but can destroy any change we may have at gain God's approval for eternal salvation

Bro Dan Its your choice what you call the explanation but the word in that verse for born is [gennao]

which is where we get the word genetics which ties into human birth so I'm just explaining, not at all to twist

or challenge, its your right to believe what you will. Also this take nothing away from Scripture it really just

enhances it. So moving on.

Thank you Chris. Thanks for indirectly reminding me that the same Greek word can be translated as servant and deacon. My concern was formation of theology on the basis of the word deacon . I believe that many people are aware that thousands of churches have women pastors. It is not my intention to be insensitive . However I believe that as Christians we should be able to say politely that a practice is inconsistent with scriptures.

Adam This is not a sell or a persuasion the explanation is the word in the greek language for baptism af baptize

where it ts in context because it make a difference in understanding , that being said if you choose what you got

O.K. in Gods Eyes if someone for them need both to be born again o.k. if they Choose to confess Romans 10:9+10

and believe in their heart O.K. Luke 3:16 Gives the difference between the two, in the Book of Acts there were

both people that did both and one. One is external water the other is internal spiritual. I'm not here to judge just

to enhance by explanation if someone disagrees that's their choice. I was taught at one time to get born again I

had to confess all my sins, that statement in itself is not logical because no one can remember all their sins up

until the time their born again. Then I saw the Word of God says confess the Saviour from Sin which is in your heart

thank God for forgiveness and mean it, then endeavor not to sin and when you do ask forgiveness and receive it.

Then theirs christians that think they can take advantage of that because its grace. WRONG you don't believe God

almighty knows whether its in your heart or just B.S. that's being deceived! Anyway just some heart.

Hi Elroy. I don't believe the intent of this Scripture, or any other portion, ever indicates that women are to hold official pastor/elder/deacon positions. In the case of Phoebe, she was recognized as one who served, or helped, in the Church at Cenchrea. It may have been more than a general form of assistance & more of an official one, nevertheless, she was especially useful & commended for her service. I doubt whether she, or any other sister, were appointed as elders/pastors in the leadership/teaching ministry of the Church.

So even if other Bible versions might use 'deacon', it would be appropriate, as this is the meaning of that word, but it doesn't imply an official position in the Bible - some Churches now would however make it an official position. The point is, whether recognized as one or not, sisters in the Church have an important role in the life & development of Christ's Body, as we all must, using our gifts for the Lord & His people.

Hi Rick,

I agree that quarrelling should be avoided and its best to avoid any "I'm right/you're wrong" discussions, however, there is only one truth. If something is publicly posted that is not truth and might lead someone else to stumble there is an obligation for believers to gently share the truth, in attempt to reverse the damage done.

So, you wrote: "its not a requirement for spiritual baptism."

But Jesus said: " John 3:5, Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

"water and of the Spirit"

Not just Spirit.

"cannot enter into the kingdom of God"

And God's Word in Acts 2:38 says: "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

"be baptized"

But who, surely not me?

"every one of you"

But there's more scripture: Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 22:16 - And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Acts 10:48 - And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 8:36-39 - And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

So, if I'm honest with myself, even if I didn't want to be baptized or was taught it wasn't necessary, or was embarrassed, or had any other reasons for not wanting to obey, it would be a very tough sell to read all these verses saying to be baptized and instead claim that we should NOT be baptized.

Bro Rick,

I've heard this (fetus) false teaching of bible scripture previously.

In John 3:5 Jesus is referring to being Born Again! He is not referring to our original birth, but our "second birth" in Christ! If we are to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven we must be "Born Again." Water and Spirit is certainly referring to baptism and being "Born Again".

If it was as you say:" being born of water is regards to human birth of the fetus in water"

Jesus would only have had to say you must be born of the Spirit. Because all mankind was born as a fetus. But Jesus specifically instructs us to be baptized. Jesus undertook baptism to show us what he really meant! He instructed the apostles to perform baptism. To disregard baptism is to disregard much bible scripture, and ignore Jesus.

There are many false teachings being spread around out there, and the one that you don't need to be baptized is in the top of the list.

Read your bible and believe.

Hello Kristianna The whole key to the understanding the word baptised or baptism, here's a good example. In

Acts 2:38 the word for baptized everyone of you and ye shall receive Holy Ghost, the word baptized means to

or set apart also it is either external or internal. When a person is born again it is internal spiritually it is by

Gods Gift Holy Spirit internal it is in us. Now the translators used the same word alo for water that's why I said depending

on context external or internal. In John 3:16 both are used first one I'm baptising you external for consecration or

preparation, second one Jesus Christ shall future baptise with pneuma Hagion or holy spirit which will burn up

the chaff because its internal. So in Regards to spiritual baptism I'll let you decide what the Word of God says.

Then You have Ephesians 4:4 remember Jesus Christ gave Paul how and what and where and when and to whom

concerning His Church the Body of Christ in the Age of Grace. Make up your own mind on It Is Written when

all scripture concerning subject matter are considered and understood. P.S. I didn't cover all of them due to

tht' a lot too cover.

What chapter and verse in the old testament says that even a righteous man will fall seven time ? And in the new testament I believe it says that even the elect shall be deceived . My point I'm trying to make to a friend is that we all fall down and it's not the fall that matters , but what we do when we get back up, keep marching on for Jesus Christ. The elect part I believe is during the tribulation and deals with the anti christ and all the false prophets claiming to be the real Christ .Please let me know, and God bless you all

Hi Donna,

There were only two people given the opportunity to receive immediate salvation. Both of them dying on crosses next to Jesus. One declined, the other believed and accepted Christ as Savior, confessed, and repented.

There is numerous bible scripture by Jesus and the Apostles directing us to be baptized in order to gain our salvation. Jesus tells us we need to believe in Him, repent, be baptized, and refrain from sin while striving to follow Christ.

Jesus was the ultimate teacher, he came to this earth to instruct us, and he was baptized. He not only told us to be baptized he also instructed his Apostles to perform baptism on all of the new Christian converts.

In summary, there is a ton of scripture instructing us to be baptized, and "0" telling us "not to be baptized".

Read and believe!

Bro Dan In the Gospel of John 3:5 the reference to being born of water is is regards to human birth of the

fetus in water which has nothing to do with water baptism. This i just explaining the context not to argue.

If the serpent or satan is or was a lier then then the first lie ever told must have been in Genesis Chapter 3 Verse 4 Ye shall not surely die . That must be the first lie . Do we still believe that lie ?

Does anyone know what the prayer of faith is as in James 5:14?

Luke 21:1-3

Amen Grace,

Well spoken!

God bless.

God bless Carol Mark 12: 40-44 The point was sha gave what she had from the Heart in private as,

in contrast to putting on a self righteous show or look at what I'm giving. Totally different heart!

Adam Something else to consider and this is not satan or any such junk, there is a difference between

honest heart for scripture and deceptive intent to Get someone to deny Gods Word. If you choose not to

discuss because you think it maybe deceptive I'll stop, but then nothing is learned on either end.

Adam I never view sharing any of the scripture as I'm right or there wrong my priority is to better

understand to bless others and vise versa. Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law which he did then in the completion

of that it opened up on Pentecost the age of Grace. You couldn't even get born again when Jesus was on earth because

that's what he came to make available. Even Jesus Christ had to be baptised to fulfill all righteousness which

was the law. Don't think it will offend me continuing the conversation again brother I never argue scripture it to

shared and intent is to get a greater understanding my position.

The Cross was the beginning of the NEW COVENANT The greatest event to ever grace this planet. Ever thing pales

in comparison to his Blood ....Most everything was done away with Circumcision , the levitical Priesthood. The temple

,

Thats y the veil was rent from the top to the bottom. No more sabbath day ,Now everyday is the Sabbath day, he wants

everyday holy, Abide in me and i in you 24/7..No more feast days , No more soleome assemblies...No more blood of

bulls

and goats ,....Behold I make all things new...Thus we get a new heart and a new spirit, Which is the H.G. the CHILD

OF Promise...We get a NEW Priesthood after the order of Melechezedec,...And the very Kingdom of God is gonna be with

with in us ....No more levitical priesthood. No more Blood of bulls and goats ....Behold the lamb of GOD that taketh the

the sins of the world....no more water baptism is required.....The enorimity of the cross ( his blood ) overshadowed

every thing ....We cannot even look at any other offering for sin....When you tell folks they need to be water baptised

you are in essence saying his blood was not sufficient a slap in the face of God....Thats y God told Peter what i have

made clean do not call common or unclean....When Peter was commanding water baptism in that vision for the remssion

of sins....3 times the lord rebuked Peter with that sheet knit at the 4 corners which is the blood knit with the 4 gospels.

All the unclean animals are the CHURCH that was made clean by the blood of the lamb, Not water baptism that Peter was commanding....Peter does not command water baptism again after acts 11....Peter says after he understood the vision then remembered I the words of our lord John baptised you with water but i will baptise you with the H.G. AND FIRE...Mis ojos son solas para Christo.

Hi Jake Context Isaiah 42:1-7 is prophesy concerning the messiah, the figures of speech bruised reed or

smoking flax represent weak or crippled or spiritually lost people. This middle east thought in representation.

I wanted to find the verse, where Jesus was telling the disciples that the widow's

mite was all she had and the others gave from the overflow.

Hi Rick,

My interpretation of Acts 1:5 is that John only prepared the way for Jesus's ministry, so once Jesus came I believe baptism had a greater significance. So, my interpretation is before Jesus: water only. After Jesus: water + Holy Spirit.

"but its not a requirement for spiritual baptism, I was born again many year ago and was never water baptised."

When I read John 3:5 and Acts 2:38 I know exactly what it says and feel if it wasn't important it would not have been said. I think if baptism wasn't a necessary or important step of obedience, then Jesus wouldn't have baptized people and He clearly would have said to not get baptized. But He clearly said to get baptized. I don't think satan is deceiving me into believing I need to be MORE obedient to Jesus than I truly need to be, but the opposite would seem more likely.

Given that its a commandment from Jesus, it seems like an easy decision to me. And lets say you're right and I'm wrong, then there's no downside to getting baptized and honoring Jesus, is there? But if my interpretation of John 3:5 and Acts 2:38 is right and yours is wrong then you have an enormous downside to deliberately disobeying Jesus, do you not?

God bless...

Could you please tell me where in the new testament the deciplws were asking jesus about tithes were being paid in the synagog especially what jesus said about the womans mite.

I work in an elementary school in the U.S. Today many "celebrated" Winter Solstice, made Solstice

cards, gave gifts and said Happy Holidays or Happy Solstice. But no one said "Merry Christmas."

I was the only one in the faculty that gave cards with the image of Jesus's birth on it, and had some

scripture. Our culture has become so secularized. It is now not at all PC in public schools to mention

Christmas, much less "Jesus.". One 3rd grader today saw a word in the dictionary, that mentioned "beliefs of

Christians." She said to me, "what's a Christian?" I heard another 4th grader who said they drove by

a building with a huge "T" on the building, and did not know it was a symbol of the Cross, and did not know

what that symbol meant. Are pagan traditions coming back to the "one world order"???

Ray V. jones Sr. Your first step Is To Confess Romans 10:9+10 and start changing your lifestyle to Gods Word.

Hi Kristianna The only requirement in the Age of Grace which you and I live in to be born again of Gods

Spirit is to Confess Your sin and Confess with Mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in thine heart that God

Hath raised Him from the dead and thou shalt absolute tense be saved, for with the heart man believeth unto

righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. It Is Written!

Adam If water baptism is necessary or required to be spiritually born again , explain Acts 1:5 where it says For John truly baptized with water but meaning in contrast ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

I'm not advocating don't be baptized in water, but its not a requirement for spiritual baptism,

I wa born again many year ago and was never water baptised.

Ludie Smith Mathew 11 verse 12 Before John the baptist there is a 4-500 year gap where there was

no men of God taking a stand. The kingdom of heaven suffereth violence or is always under attack, the

adversary Is always accusing Gods people who take stand on His Word.

The enemies primary purpose is to eventually shut up or stop Gods

Word from being held forth, which is why he thought eliminating Jesus Christ was all he had to do.

Can you comment on a bruised reed ?